Nungali

What about it ?

Yes, I was wondering if the sculpture represented a significant arrangement or date for the Sumerians . They ( I think it was the Sumerians) also had a similar arrangement of stars - the four royal stars . Half a mo'. Ah ... it in my studies about Persians ; Aldebaran, Regulus, Antares and Fomalhaut. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_stars

The last few months ... and still one left .... my dragon plant has started producing . It tastes like perfume .... or 'parfait amour ' All those different coloured dragon fruit ... do they all taste the same or not ? I haven't tried them . Plus the usual veggies . A large row of broad beans ( for Sth American style rice ; broad beans , rice, capsicum, onion, fresh herbs, chorizo, chicken ). A row of tobacco - that isnt doing very well , wrong season ?

Well, you tried . Here is a hint ; successful preachers have been trained to do it , and can spend a fair bit of time in training and study. It helps if one knows the texts well. Some even have to study divinity and Comparative Religion - they where the bulk of the students in those two subjects when i did them at University .... although most dropped out . I have never heard of Christ being embarrassed before . Can he be 'embarrassed ' ? Maybe its not him that was embarrassed at all ? Facepalm ? No . Embarrassment . - the first embarrassing moment in history ;

Naaaah ! You aint finished yet . You'll be back in about an hour

Indeed, I have no idea what 'properly read' means, it could mean 'a brief scan' or 'read every word but with improper attitude ' < shrug > ... I was going more on his ; " I'll read it and see what comes up. " Its a thing I have been doing for many years now .... the apocalypse started some time ago people ! Can you not look around and see it ? prayer, in its many forms can be a powerful tool for the psyche . Even Crowley advised, that before any magical operation ( if you want it to be successful ) ; ' Inflame thyself with prayer ' .... incantation , mantra , etc .

Take a beginners yoga class . Trying something more advanced, at the start , could cause a strain .... or injury .

The tetramorph of civilisation; Man dog ox horse . TM , what do you think the Sumerian astrological significance of the deity was ? I know the modern representation is the fixed elemental signs in the heavens .... but that might be a more modern notion ?

First of all you have to find out about the flow and how it works . Different systems have different flows . Take swimming for example , body movement ,propulsion and flotation are all part of that flow or otherwise you are just thrashing around on the surface getting nowhere . Chopping wood , 'going with the flow' is splitting with the grain , for mountain casurina it is radial, other types its across the grain, tallowwood, on 60 degrees across the grain, otherwise you be whacking it all day and do your back in, . When you understand flows, systems, things 'natural' abilities and propensities, then you can you use them . and work with them and not against them and in opposition and conflict . To those that dont understand these flows , actions can appear magical and amazing ;

“Tis now the very witching time of night, When churchyards yawn and hell itself breathes out Contagion to this world; now could I drink hot blood, And do such bitter business as the day Would quake to look on.” - Hamlet "In the Western Christian tradition, the hour between 3 and 4 a.m. was considered a period of peak supernatural activity, due to the absence of prayers in the canonical hours during this period" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witching_hour On the Chinese body clock 3 am is in the liver segment and that time zone is when we get our deepest sleep, repair and detox, so maybe we should suspend all other activities so the body can concentrate on this ?

Well, coming here and preaching to us about the Bible is one thing ... but when you confess you haven't actually read all of it ....

I am not going to post any one of the numerous videos that clearly show his fakery . As I said I will leave that up to anyone who wants to look for it , the internet is FULL of it, more so than others . A starting point could be Wikipedia , as a general background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba#Allegations_of_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basava_Premanand#Activism But I never said I " talked to victims of Sai Baba " , did I ? I said ... well exactly what I said in the part you quoted for your above response . . And I dont know why you wrote this ; " Abusing someone based on your personal opinion, is slander. " Since you are re writing what I DID say , I am not going to play ping pong with you on this . You know , Cardinal George Pell's ministry did some good work too, and the people in the church . The Catholic Church is feeding and looking after people right now . Didnt excuse what the boss did though , and allowed to happen under his reign .

... but I dont have any shame and guilt . So hopefully 'The Lord' need have nothing to do with me .

The 'spiritually enlightened ' ( and those with desires to be so ) never say its because they cant do something about the bumps .... well, except for me .

Thats not the only reason . His propensity to perform really bad stage magic 'miracles' that where easily exposed on video helped . I won't even put one up , do google search and watch and decide for yourself . I recently saw an Indian video that highlighted all these fake tricks, and the defence was ..... wait for it ... that was not the real Sai Baba .... and went on and on about how he moved different, the tips of his hair are different etc etc ... all aside from the facts that these films where of official Sai baba events ! Apparently , people that wanted to discredit Sai Baba got a stand in double and put on all these huge events ..... the rest is too silly to explain . Such is 'Indian logical argument' ..... I know, I have them all the time ... Indian history forum , Indian friends ..... and this isnt bias or racism ... argue with an Italian , a Russian , an Australian , they all have a style ( and of course I am generalising here ) . https://robertpriddy.wordpress.com/

HEAPS of it ! It has been discussed in many threads .... all sorts and levels of abuse from anything from gurus,and teachers through to 'the enlightened' at New Age conferences and < ahem > right here on TDBs .

Much better . Who here ever said "Indian Gurus are bad" ???? And Dwai accused some of running a fallacious argument ! Some are great ... and some are child molesting bastards ! And guess what ? Some priests are great ... and some are child molesting bastards . What if I popped my head up and started defending molesting priests and claimed it was all a conspiracy to discredit the church . At time, cultural conditioning seems stronger than any perceived 'enlightened state ' ... and no wonder ! It is instilled from birth through the most receptive stages of the pcyche's development ! This is why some of the systems that have a level of 'realisation' also have a level of 'destruction; or annihilation' (of these conditioned selves ) before realisation .

That was another of their excuses ...... 'activating' their chakras . yeah ...... right .

It wasnt any Christian movement that formed my opinion on this . It was an once innocent little girl that had been exposed to Sai Baba followers . The one that molested her told me ( before the event ) when I challenged his views on Sai Baba and his sexuality ' Well, how can I judge his behaviour ? He is God after all, can I judge God ?"

I totally agree with that . But even Sai Babas followers openly admit the child molestation stuff ! They, rather than deny it ( as too many members have claimed it ... and not in anger or retribution , some seem fine about it and say it did not affect them adversely ) ' excuse ' it .

It isnt slander - its real ! I am sorry Dwai , but this Sai Baba issue is a hugely serious one and underpins the whole 'guru problem' . It was actually what instigated the whole me and Starjumper blow up . My main problem was, I felt so strongly about it , no one, even those here that know me, to an extent , never questioned or asked why I had such strong opinions on it . I dont want to start it all up again , but will say I hold those opinions are NOT due to things I read on the internet or gossip it is real personal experience I have had and have seen first hand the damage this "master' and some of his followers have caused in the REAL world . And to try and cover it up , actually sickens me . I am trying to find understanding for those that have HUGE cultural conditionings about it ... but that, due to the extremely sensitive nature of these crimes , is mostly beyond me . And no, I dont want to start it all up here again, but I feel to NOT let your claims about him go unaddressed .

Different teachers for different people .... or different teachers for same person .... at different stages .

" One can easily take off one's coat when it is too warm to wear one . One cannot easily fix the bumps in the road while on a bus journey . " - Tao Te Ching Ch 84.

Not unless you sprout horns and hoofs and start chasing nymphs .

Let he who has never dressed up in sexy drag throw the first stone .