Nungali

Fantastic self explanation of how you just cannot read or hear anything at all without it first going through your internal 'understand' filter . YOU claimed I said " I want you to quit the board " , but I never did ... and to prove I ' said those words you put up a quote of me saying ; " but wants you to leave " Incorrect ! .... does not match ... Again ! Plus .... you owe me $500 !

... a bit of 'heel stepping with the toes up' in that ! ^

I'll PM you about that . Cool ... we can trade 'neck breaking techniques' I forgot I said i was going to post more about 'legwork' techniques . I've posted these before and they demo a few good ones, the training is in a type of slo-mo 'flow' form / drill. My Sikiran training was loooooong ago however . (Man could those guys kick ! One guy there could do a reverse crescent kick from a totally casual standing position and slap me upside the head with head it before I could even react . I saw him try it on Albert (the head Sikiran instructor for Oz , at the time ) and Albert just swung his own leg straight up vertical, hard bocking the reverse crescent and then bringing his heel down in an axe kick glancing off the side of the others head and then did a flurry of other kicks into I couldnt even tell what they where and then he "What have I told you about using that kick ! " (apparently instructor didnt like that kick as it left an opening , as he demonstrated ) . Anyway , Sikiran legwork and ... start from 1:00

I am going to put up a thread and title it "Secret Teachings of Tai Chi Masters ' and then fill it with cat pictures . And then gloat at stupid people who where 'confused' by my thread title

Typical response when a blunder that YOU made is pointed out to you . But I never said I wanted to get rid of BSMaster in the first place ... you are confused ... again .

No ... I did vote . Right at the beginning in one of my earlier posts . I never said I wanted you to quit this board either . You types just cant ever read what people actually write can you ? All your input goes into your wishful thinking and projection filter to make it read / sound like you want , then you project out on that . Its an interesting psychological phenomena .

yeah .... becasue its a short film . Dumbarse . The other short films under the title 'legend of Buster Scruggs are good to - especially the group hanging scene where one guy is freaking out and crying and the guy next to him ; "Oh ! First time eh ? " Wes Anderson stuff . (NZ film industry is the best film industry on the planet to work in ..... or was . )

Maybe a more accurate vote would have been apparent if your thread title was actually about what your vote was A bit like me putting up a post titles 'Is Nungali super smart ? ' then posting a poll inside the thread about if I should cut my hair or not ... then kiddie trash talk and empty boasting for several pages , then proudly announce ; 'See ! No one said I should cut my hair . Hilarious

I did share my own clip - Buster Scruggs . The Star Wars stuff? Well, you started that .... somewhere between when you where a Dark Gaylord Master and when took up Vedanta

I was Buster Scruggs in a past life ... so I am used to dealing with guys like you

The third video; at 1:10 is also a familiar move from some of our practices and similar to a techniques in Aikido . Imagine if Sifu H's right arm was extended down with his elbow rotated slightly outward and his palm just out from the others navel. Any rotation he does will send the other flying. Or he could lift his right arm up from this position and rotate the others wrist with his left hand making him go up on tip toes and lead him to where he wants or 'surge ahead' and 'cartwheel throw' the other ( a typical aikido application), or duck under pass through and twist to get a wrist take down, again as in aikido . It can be done from a grab (as they do in aikido ) , then it can be a twisting 'throw off'. The 4th video interested me a lot , a see a lot of similarities in there but what really interested was the sequence from 0:48 - a series of 'knock downs' against a flurry of punches (ending in the 'arm lock' throw ) . In our last form 'Crane' - Hakatsuru it has a series of arm movements like that as you are stepping back, 3 times , in a normal front stance but then the next step starts as if you are moving back into a front stance again but you switch and move by stepping slightly more and rotating into a horse stance . That series of moves ( and a few others in the form ) did not seem to have an application, or it was unknown or lost . So I went on a hunting mission to find others who had learnt that form to piece it together . Anyway, what I came up with was a move very similar to what Sifu H is showing . I developed that as I had started training with a Wing Chunger ( now on hold due to CV) who would come at me in a straight line with a series of fast rolling punches , the move seemed to fit in perfectly with that and be able to counter them, but also it works in a curious way as well , I have seen Bruce Lee do a set up like this 'switching ' (albeit in 'fight choreography ' ) ; you do the same thing to 'set up a pattern' 2 or 3 times and the opponent is expecting another one but you switch it at the last moment . In hakatsuru , you move back on their line of attack , deflecting but the last one into horse stance is moved off line of attack and they pass you , and you do a 'shuto' (which in our style of not a 'knife hand block' but more of one hand deflects an attack while the other rolls over the top for a finger strike into the eye ) it all flows naturally and its like the other person just walks straight into it . The footwork, movement, distancing, etc all work out neatly . Except Sifu H ends it with slipping into an arm lock throw , which also looks familiar as we do that in response to a different attack . My conclusion is this type of Tai Chi , being a combat style is similar to what I do as that is a combat style too and similar to SOME types of aikido that is also 'combat style ' ( not many people are familiar with this form of aikido, most aikido is NOT combat style at all .... since it got changed after the Japanese defeat WWII and American occupation of Japan ) and , basically ANY system that is combat style . Once I was watching those Mediaeval re-enactment battlers ( done a tiny bit of that - fun ) one guy was great ! I saw many familiar moves at the time I was fairly new ( a few years) into Aikido and I excitedly asked him afterwards if he had done any Aikido training and he responded ; 'Nah ! Look, after a while when you get familiar with combat you realise we are all constricted the same way with the same skeleton and joints that move the same way and physical principles are constant so it all nearly comes out the same ." With individual variation of course , I like Sifu H 's variation; calm , powerful, centred, near effortless It was very interesting to watch those , thanks Earl .

Yes, we move the same way except do not see the heel first approach as necessary for it, from that explanation . One difference might be the unusual way our teacher stepped , very 'up and down' not at all like the 'sliding step' one often sees in martial arts ( I call it 'dojo footwork) teacher, teaching an old 'fighting form / SD' , training and fighting would be done outdoors, over rough and uneven ground and balance was considered 'core' ( his teacher / Uncle Hohan Soken would be made to train on a floating log - by his teacher Uncle Nabe Matsamura , sometimes he would jump on the log too and attack him ) . He would snap into a position and from there ( for a micro second) one could never tell if he was going to continue stepping forward, sideward, backward, kick, jump, etc . I guess what you are explaining cant really be explained in mere words , you would have to show me and physically demonstrate it yeah , but WHY is it 'structurally unbalanced ' ? To me that answer is like "it would not work properly otherwise ' ..... but WHY ? You cant get full body by using 'body torque ' ??? I am no sports physician , but it seems people like Bruce Lee could generate an awful lot of body power the way they moved . Also one of my training partners that is in my club doesnt step in like that .... come to think of it, if he did , he probably has already worked out what I would do to him, which is why he doesnt do it . In any case , he is probably a better person to ask about this toe up thing . Whaaaaat ? Hang on ...... Just 1 of many I just rechecked You would have to put an example of that in goju to convince me . I do weaponry too , no forms in weaponry I do have heel first stepping as in tai chi . You COULD be wrong

Oh dear , every time he opens his mouth trying to 'dis' me, he just further exposes how stupid he is ! THIS particular thread was made for the explicate purpose to examine exactly what we are talking about here . Thats why it was split off from the tai chi thread - you idiot ! Try actually reading the first post ; " So here is where @Nungali and I are splitting off to discuss the above videos and what I originally posted that caught his attention.

Ah good , I see you agree with me . No, the topic would be valid IF you had ever actually done it to someone and could describe how it went or what happened - not some imaginary scenario .

Indeed ! Rather an embarrassing self expose !

Thats a silly way to do it . Perhaps you are not remembering what you where taught properly ?

Oh definitely ! The main benefit I got from aikido was how its principles can be applied to many areas of life that have nothing to d with MA or SD . Learning to move in a smart way ! I like that . That skill has become very important to me , due to skeletal and joint deterioration and having to split a lot of firewood , even old worn out Nungal , by moving and using body intelligently , can split huge blocks , while the fit muscley 30 year old guy that works here sometimes seems to have great difficulty with it Or just , ' mind set ' or energy ; many a time I have had to control or settle down large agro out of it people in Emergency ward when I worked at a hospital . Not allowed to fight or use violence there - most of it was done with 'presence' and energy this happened about 2 -3 times a week over 10 years , all that I only had to resort to physical only about a dozen times . Even that was 'physical trickery' , never 'slugging it out ( but then again , I always resort to 'trickery ' , mental or physical )

Thank you for the demonstration of who is actually crude here .

Why cant this be done with the ball of the foot ? It is part of the practice of 'Rohai' ( heron ) form ; 8th move , you step forward and as your foot touches the ground you quickly step back again and move into the classic Rohai stance. Its a practice to develop a quick 'retreat' when you have started to move forward , or 1/2 way through moving forward . Does not a quick step back , when it is 'not safe to land' depend more on how weight is distributed and managed , other than what part of the lead foot touches the ground first ? its rather tricky back stepping with the heel heel down first

The 2nd video . This one is familiar too . The nice Aikido way is to let them roll out backwards , but the way we do it is slightly different , move a bit different, the left leg is bent more and the other is taken down so they land on their back across your knee . @1:14 sometimes I might strike first with the elbow . Or the left might come in with a 'floating ribs / kidney ' strike, right on others wrist then left from their ribs up to their elbow and 'crank' their arm (as if you are making their fist punch itself into their face ) and then draw their arm back out and down, bringing their head down and then kick your big toe into their eye socket . if they see that coming and turn their head away, that will expose the point behind the jaw under the ear for the same kick . Or, closer to what is shown in the vid , from a down cut with a sword ... go to 0:26 slomo - except meet the down coming strike ( as you evade, of course, like in the above ) your left arm comes right over to meet your right (which is now twisting the others wrist) and jerks back to give a face elbow strike and then sort of rolls around to make a type of reverse headlock and you drop to one knee, breaking his shoulder across your knee . will catch up on these other posts before I post about the other vids ..

You might need a pair of these ;

Thanks E.G. But I am just about to go off line - sun is over the hill and I fell to do some forking (in the veggie garden ) . I'll leave this for now ; in regard to the first video . we have a move exactly like that step and apply pressure from knee to others knee to disrupt balance while doing other techniques using the arms at the same time . Actually there are a few variations like it with similar 'stepping in' moves . 'Moro' flow footwork like this is - Very interesting ! I will post vid later . One thing that stood out for me is what often i see that 'tai chi step' with the heel down first ( I asked friend who does tai chi but he couldnt answer ), that demo gave a good answer. But I cant help noticing, why does the other guy step in with a locked leg and not a slightly bent knee ? Thats asking for it ! We dont step in heel first and lock the foot around the back of the others , and the other does not have a straight leg either but it works just by applying sideways outer pressure to the others knee . I am a notorious toe stepper as well One technique I just developed is to step on the lead toes and then quickly do a little flick toe kick up wards to catch the base of the others kneecap with my big toe . A variation is stopping a kick like that , except here , as the other kicks in, I do a quick flick kick with my heel so it catches the bottom edge of their kneecap as they kick in, my kick is kicking the kneecap up as their kick extends the leg and moves their kneecap into a more horizontal position, both forces work together to drive the kneecap up the leg . ( You have to make sure you pre-empt their kick and you foot is above theirs and the end of their kicking motion, their foot will be below yours - of course ) . More later - gotta go .

You didnt mention where he should take her to ? A picnic , perhaps ?

Aside from the problem that 'giving up a woman ' suggests in the first place - I would, and have more than once . But lets say it was not a matter of 'giving her up' but support ? Not many people can do this, or even consider it , or even know why they should consider it . What's that saying ? Possession is 9/10s of the law . Many a time I had my absolutely gorgeous fun young ex around here so I could play with her kids (as kids and had deep bonding and enjoyed each others company) while she played flirty lovey dovey over tea and cakes ( which I made for them ) with her new lover at my garden table . Often I would baby sit so they could go out . Why ? Because I wanted to spend time with the kids . And I liked to see her happy . Of course HE couldnt handle that and eventually forbade it , he was a rouge Scientologist absolute fuck wit. he tried subverting me and went on 'magical attack', eventually forbidding contact between me and the 3 little guys that grew up with me . They got married, he got her pregnant, ran up a huge debt and died within 3 months , leaving her alone, destitute and now with 4 kids . I saw it coming but ... mhe , what ya gonna do ! Fight with your GF about leaving you because you can see the imminent disaster coming for her and try to convince her THIS is why she should not leave and it has nothing to do with me being jealous ? Such is life ... an death .

Divine truths .....with typos . Maybe get a brighter bare bulb for that basement 'lamp' ?