Nungali

'Lustration' ..... 1st Degree .

But that is a conditioned illusion . I do all that because I want to because it makes ME feel good . because it fulfills MY purpose . Good God Man ! I am a rich affluent westerner with abundance , living in one of the best places in the world . I watch a friend 'struggle' want to help him and so loan him a few hundred bucks and I am considered nice good , etc . he is about to become homeless , will I invite him to live with me ? No , I want to live by myself and every 'reason' I give , no matter if valid , is also an excuse . The difficult thing for others is , I own it . I do realise it makes others uncomfortbale .

You forgot to make a cross over him and throw Holy Water in his face . Wait ! better not do the water thing .... Apec : " Arrrghhhh ! It burns ..... "

Really ? I must have 'intuited' that ( Good old Dali ! )

Anyone been 'struck' in LTD ? We both have 'bits' of the other . Some would say I am 'compassionate and caring ' , thats the Cancerian side ; love cooking and feeding people .... a happy full tummy on others makes ME feel good ( and , at work I used to have an ability to know what others needed to eat for them to feel good, on a particular day . Sometimes they would ask me what they should eat ... and I would make a diagnosis and 'prescription' ). Also my work in hospital , geriatrics , postmortem * And you , Blue Eyes , aint exactly a 'dumb bunny' ya know . ( Sometimes I think she actually gets what I am saying ! ) Of course, I am also a hard arse to wingers who dont have it tough but think they do .... but I am used to working with those that are really having difficulty (in the hospital, in refugee re location - some ex-torture victims , etc ) so I dont have much sympathy unwarranted complainers . I do have it for kids though . And to answer the question , no I dont have kids . But I didnt want to get into that as I have 'had; a few times , others kids . It seemed that if I had my own my opinions would be more compassionate ? Dont start that up on me . As I will get into a rant about crap fathers that I had to step up for and take their role as they where pathetic 'not-men' , and give the kids some support attention nurturing and love ... so me 'seeing things differently if I was parent' will not fly with me . I do acknowledge the difference though .... I dont do long term 24 / 7 with them . But to me , that can make a person less receptive and tolerant to them . * some might not consider that 'care' ... but it is . I have a friend who does it too , recently she was commenting on the difficulty many local Aboriginal people have, how many of them are dying , how much grief is in their community , etc . Someone asked how she knew that ; " I go and pick up their bodies , I wash them and make them look nice , I stand beside their relatives when they view the bodies , I cry and lament with them ... I help them through all the paperwork and bullshit afterwards ."

Here is one of the underlying Christian precepts that I feel has 'undermined the world ' ; God made the garden the plants and animals FOR man .... to rule over it , have dominion over it .... not to be part of it . And that (like being born in some lesser state that we need saving from ) has damaged the human psyche for a long time ... we carried that through our development of modern technology . Now the Christian apologist is going to argue with me and defend against that ... I already know all the arguments and counters ; the re translation of terms ... the churches attempts to show its 'green' ..... PFFFT ! I make my judgments also on what I observe . The brave new Christian Euro bringing their superiority complex to 'discover' 'new ' lands ... where people already lived ! Christopher Columbus Discovers America . - trust Dali to 'rub it in'.

.. and to think I have never awarded you a .....

Wow ! I;m impressed ! You must be really terrible !

Nah , I dont think he liked the knights for that It was a Christian being reasonable about history but wanting to defending the Christian faith ; ' I had thought they where bad but I was wrong, turns out if you read history , it was all justified ... sort of . ' The past is admitted but thats the past , sure plenty of bad people then ... that type of stuff . Thing is IMO there are certain underlying philosophical problems in Christianity regardless of how they manifest , throughout the past , and most certainly into the present . However , a religious believer is also going to defend their belief , where they can . Obviously they would not agree with me about the underlying philosophical issues , as they have adopted them, for various reasons .

As I just posted , the 'intellectual path' or Jnana Yoga is but one of the spokes of the wheel . The Path of devotion , love and I include compassion, is a valid one as well ; Bhakti Yoga . There a few other valid paths or Yogas . I am wondering if the type of illumination , the part of the body 'struck' , relates to a particular path (Yoga ) and our paths ( True Will , 'incantatory purpose / mission ? Healer ? Worker ? Warrior eg. the warrior monks mentioned above , the true ' Budoist' ? Those that protect the vulnerable from oppression ? , a Priest ? I am supposing a Bodhisattva does not return as warrior class ? They are certainly on the 'Love Ray' IMO .

Yes, we have come a long way .... ever since that day I looked down your cleavage when you where my Fairy Godmother . ( Do you remember that ? ) - regarding 'digested book learnin' ruminated with spiritual awareness ' ..... my initiation tradition was in 'Scientific Illumination' - The aim of religion via the method of science ' , or as some prefer ' Spiritual Science ' . It's eastern equivalent would be Jnana Yoga . https://www.yogapedia.com/definition/5019/jnana-yoga ' Know Thyself ' ... first , I would say .... hence the anthropology .

' Its rather essential for a 'Coreeda' double front kick

... well, life is tough, in jail.

I am not 'skirting around the issue ' at all ... I am agreeing with blue eyed snake's 'issue' . However you made another issue and now want to know what an alternative might be . Since you never really answered any of my valid points but switched to this 'what should have happened instead' 'demand ' ; They could have raised a regular army instead of getting a bunch of civilians , promised with eternal life , to swarm through the countryside devouring everything, as they where totally unprepared for any 'military action' and then getting wiped out without achieving anything .

I am saying what I said ... its up there ^ . One thing that might make it less confusing for you is the context to what I was replying to . .. and the accurate reading of what I posted . For example , you talked about a bunch of knights going to avenge wrongdoings ... I pointed out a whole lot of other dynamics going on .. for example plenary indulgences , swarms of people who where NOT knights getting involved ... motivated by base Christian theology , the thing blue eyed snake seemed to be complaining about .. - its virtually the same thing modern Islamic terrorists and ancient Islamic warriors have been seeking . I see you have ignored or passed by the points I made and gone back to appealing about the reason you gave for the invasion in the first place . Its like the same 'game playing' going on when a non Christian says 'Christians burnt witches ' and a Christian comes along and says 'Actually that was the civil authorities and not the church . " if one is not perceptive ... that works .

being a martial arts thread ... "try'' to use against me .... I know some '52' ya know 'Reverse chi ball ' . No Dude ! Dont drive your elbow into his fist ! Evade the punch and guard with elbow driving it into one of these points ;

Here we trashed the whole sacred country ! Like Alexander .... invades the Persian capitol and 'Throw all the library books in the river ! ' A few where left ... until the Muslims came along .... 'Throw all the rest of the books in the river ! ' more than 80% of a civilization's knowledge lost ... a civilization that had spiritual roots back to 2500bc and was one of the first to develop more sexual equality, egalitarianism, animal rights , medicine science astronomy philosophy ... etc . bah humbug ... throw it ALL in the river !

I dont know why the quote box copied empty but .... It appears you think Christianity ended tribalism ? " And so we have a thread here called "Christianity" and we have manners and values that we simply take for granted in western countries built on the back of these decisions to cut off from the old ways. Would it have been better had we stayed tribal?, " Thats rather confusing . Then there is 'that one' about the claim it wasnt the church that persecuted people but the civil authorities . To me your post seems like an ever so correct and polite Christian justification and a bit of 'moving the goal posts ' ... perhaps its calculated or unconscious ? Not sure which at this stage . As you see blue eyed snake didnt blame the Church on that at all ... she was protesting against Christians ... I would like to see some historical proof that the witch burning civil authorities where NOT Christian .

Ahhhh ... so you came back after a month to correct me , although I was talking to someone else , not you , and they where not speaking Chinese but English . Hoi Cobie, great to have you back !

Three bans ! Wow . Did you ever come back from a 'perma-ban' ? Thats a good trick

Good , I need a new one

Well thats great ! makes the crusades sound like a justified police action Now look at some other crusader history .... you know the first crusade was not even knights , right ? Do you know what happened as soon as they crossed over to 'Asia' ? You know the other crusades where NOT mostly Knights right ? Yes, thank goodness for history : " This call was met with an enthusiastic popular response across all social classes in western Europe. Mobs of predominantly poor Christians numbering in the thousands, led by Peter the Hermit, a French priest, were the first to respond. What has become known as the People's Crusade passed through Germany and indulged in wide-ranging anti-Jewish activities, including the Rhineland massacres. So they didnt even get to the Holy Land and they killed people that had nothing to do with the invasion of Jerusalem , who where Sljuk Turks ! Then various swarms of them went across the countryside , ravaging the land like locust .... I will skip the details as they are historical , except for one delightful part where they ate their enemies ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Ma'arra .... all to rescue the oppressed in Jerusalem .... and not for an 'eternal lifetime' 'get out of hell free' card https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade_indulgence

Well then .... I cant remember if I shared this with you before or not , so .... Hymn to Proserpine (After the Proclamation in Rome of the Christian Faith) By Algernon Charles Swinburne ..... " O Gods dethroned and deceased, cast forth, wiped out in a day! From your wrath is the world released, redeemed from your chains, men say. New Gods are crowned in the city; their flowers have broken your rods; They are merciful, clothed with pity, the young compassionate Gods. But for me their new device is barren, the days are bare; Things long past over suffice, and men forgotten that were. Time and the Gods are at strife; ye dwell in the midst thereof, Draining a little life from the barren breasts of love. I say to you, cease, take rest; yea, I say to you all, be at peace, Till the bitter milk of her breast and the barren bosom shall cease. Wilt thou yet take all, Galilean? but these thou shalt not take, The laurel, the palms and the pæan, the breasts of the nymphs in the brake; ..... whole poem :