Nungali

and now its gone ! Ha ! Thanks Nini !

There is the post up there ^ unedited .

Gardner with some type of dried and stuffed toy monkey

Wait . Didnt consciousness manifest the matter that makes AI function ?

That ^ answers my question ? My cryptic powers are low today .

When I was investigating going to Asia for dental implants, I heard a few stories ; one guy was complaining about the dentists " His assistant dropped an instrument on the floor and then picked it up and put it back on the sterile tray ! " Someone else said 'Thats strange, as in my experience the Asian dental hospitals are fastidious in their cleanliness ." The first said ; " Oh no ! That happened in NZ . Thats why I ended up getting my implants done in Thailand . "

" CHEN ! Stop doing that in back yard ! Last time you ruin lawn and knock siding off house "

" A Chinese man on the internet that can set fire to paper with his own mind ...... its not fake .... "

Here is another one - slightly different . Years back I went to a doctor , he didnt even hear me about my symptoms, so I immediately went to another one , who heard me but said, when I recounted my symptoms , " I dont think so . " WTF ! ? So I went to a TCM doctor (for my first time, in frustration ) . I didnt tell him anything , he examined me and then HE told ME what my symptoms where ... and he was dead right .

I remember one time in the Intensive Care Unit, I had just transferred a patient from surgery to there. One of his injuries was a broken femur and the surgeon had set up the cast for traction and the ropes attached to the weight where on the bed for transportation . I wheeled him into the room, gathered the rest of the traction equipment ( pulleys, frames etc ) and set the traction up in front of 3 junior doctors . Then one threads the rope and goes to start dropping the weight . I had to stop him as he threaded it wrong , in some crazy imagined imitation of what he thought he had seen before . But what would I know ? The doctors scoffed at me until a senior nurse (who didnt know how to do it either ) interrupted and said they should listen to me as I had worked in the orthopaedic ward a lot and had set up a lot of traction. But still no . I had a hold of the weight and wasn't going to hand it over . I had to " Think about it .... if we drop the weight with it set up like that it will LIFT the thigh in the sling . making a bend right where the break is . The tension is supposed out through the foot, AND the sling which draws the leg out along the angle between both attachments and then and straightens the femur , allowing it to align for the bones to knit together . " " Hmmmmm ... two scoffed but one looked more and "I think he is right, let's try that . " They did and it worked . Thank God ! And the patient was conscious through all this , just as well I had my theatre gown on and he probably thought I was another doctor and not an orderly 'trolley pusher ' . Imagine coming out of theatre into ICU and seeing the cleaner having to tell the ICU doctor how do your treatment ! Makes me rather nervous now when I am the patient ! (They say nurses make the worst patients , I wonder why ! )

For a start , I am not 'against' AI. What I am contemplating is its further developments. Also I dont need no google search to know Neanderthals didnt have the same stone axes for millions of years . I was trained at the conspirational brain washing school of Sydney University ..... And been 'brainwashing' myself ever since I often back up what I know or write about with all types of internet references . I am not saying it isnt a handy tool or that I against it .

Certainly not an attempt to educate you . You would know my background and know that I dont need to fast google this to know about it . The google link was a fast reference , for others, that might not believe me and thinking I am talking my own mentalfarts . I will have you know I share my farts with MANY educated and well researched people . Oldest so far .... If you want to be so exact . Can you show any evidence proof or even valid opinion of any one else that Neanderthals lived for millions of years , yet alone , made stone axes for million of years . Where are the fossils for that ? Also we have stone axes and fossils before Neanderthals , so axes before established dates of Neanderthal exist . Unless some one is hiding them all as part of a conspiracy ? I would even venture to say that anyone claiming they existed for a million years is the one having a 'brain fart' . Do you really think one citation ( amongst a whole field of them due to scientific research is a brain fart , while your individual opinion voiced with no back up or reference isnt ? Thats a rather pathetic attempt to wiggle out TM . Let's go one step at a time then . Can you offer any evidence to support your Neanderthal million years static evolution idea ?

Try this on for size ... even mechanism and 'automation' was supposed to do that . Machines doing the drudgery and all of us having more quality free time . . . . and look what happened !

Not sure about that . What is 'self aware consciousness ' and how do we know animals, plants do AI does not have it ?

Neanderthals lived between about 130,000 and 40,000 years ago. I want to repeat this ; Neanderthals lived between about 130,000 and 40,000 years ago, " Bashed in " ? That;s an 'interesting' interpretation of the many things that can happen to a fossil ! Its nearly like you are suggesting that 'someone' went around bashing in their skulls and wiping them out .... while they stood defiant against the development in stone axes . { and please dont respond UNTIL I get this gear on )

True . yet in the past (and the recent past in Australia ) such 'stories' ( songs actually ) , regardless of any perceived variation, enabled people to travel vast distances, through previously unvisited country successfully - also consider the country ; vast tracks of bush, swamps and desert with little water supplied . And during initiation test 'walkabout' , on your own . Make a mistake and you are cactus . We have mostly lost the art of memory . Giulio Camillo’s Theatre of Memory (1519-1544)

I read an old report of a Victorian gentleman lamenting this back then ; ' A few years back a woman could fix just about any thing she used with a hat pin and a man with a crew driver . I would have to be one of the most hopeless mechanics around, many years back my car broke down and after a visual and some linear logic I was ale to fix the problem . Now when I open a car's bonnet , it doesnt even look like an engine . Thats all good .... until something goes wrong . We could say that about all of western society . Imagine the internet going down for a week ! I am amazed at the number of people I have witnessed that cant even get a fire going or sustain it long enough to cook food , and this in the land of 'The Great Australian BBQ ' ( Webber BBQ , that is ) Which is really just a kitchen unit wheeled into the yard I mean, managing fire ..... THAT has to be the basic human skill ! A few years back, when I was actively involved in an 'initiation fraternity' I held the first three degree rituals (all parts, not just mine ) in my head - probably over 200 pages . At present I am mentally storing (and can perform ) 18 empty hand kata ( some with up to 60 moves ) and 15 various weapons kata (patterns ) . Maybe you could find some of them on Youtube ..... but the understanding and applications of the moves seem lacking . You cant learn that properly without the dynamic interpersonal reactions of real life practice . Instructor says I am the last in this country that knows and can do that . When I am gone , it will be too .

I have actually lost relationships with friends due to this . I mean the OUTWARD relationship is there, but what is the point of being with someone when they are on their phone all the time ? And as far as attention spans go .... Jeezus ! Even simple directions cant seem to be remembered or understood any more . I have other threads around here on this .... including 'the death of the story teller '

And the more we rely on that the more our minds atrophy and the more 'know how' is lost . If we look at the development of 'intelligence ' , in recent history it has developed at an exponential rate , so much so that it has gone past the capabilities ( in certain ways ) of the human container ( brain ) and now the 'evolution of intelligence' has surpassed the human capability - even though we invented it . I am reminded of 'Aides' (from 'Bondi Hipsters' comedy series ) who mocked his father when he offered to pay Dom's University fees for any subject he chose ; " Thats the problem with your old generation, you dont realise ; why would anyone want to go to University nowadays , when all you have to do, if you want to know something, is look it up on youtube. "

The bolded bit reminds me of what happened to my work in the hospital industry . It made everything look shiny and correct - on the outside . But it made life even harder for the patients , especially the elderly . Just one example was the way you are supposed to lift up an old person out of a chair . If they had frail skin, I would do it a different than what was taught so as not to damage their skin . New , 'proper trained' people did it the 'taught way' and where scared to do otherwise and didnt even seem to comprehend HOW to think up a way to do it so it was better for the patient . If you have ever been into a geriatric ward and noticed a few patients with bandaged forearms , its because they had bits of their old frail skin ripped off by being lifted with this method Note the woman's right hand gripping the patients wrist ... which is worse ! The woman's arm (even for this bad method ) should be behind the patient's upper arm and IN FRONT OF the patient's forearm with the grip on the patients right forearm. In either case, a good deal of the weight is on the grip on the arm . " Oh dear Mr Johnstone ... it must be that old skin of yours ..... " I better stop now .... this stuff makes me angry !

You know that isnt what I meant . I will be clearer, just for you . If the problem is within the higher echelons of the industry, due to those with perceived 'power' over others , why not focus on them, instead of the grunts on the ground, that actually had nothing to do with that problem in the first place? .

How about two second hand anecdotes ?

It would have been only about 8 years ago that I got a 'less work promotion' ie, less work and more bossing people around , becasue I am such an arse and the crew wasnt listening to others and chaos had ensued , so I got the job . I had them 'terrified' , bullied or laughing their arse off But order was established . I cant imagine I would last 5 minutes there now ( as if I went to counselling .... oh jeeze ! Imagine me in there - hectic ! ) I imagine the occasional punch up that used to happen is banned too now ?

Agreed , but I am highlighting things like the Aussie industry where the problem was MUCH less than the USA and the idea that you are not supposed to laugh at work as someone might think you laughing about them . That's pretty much different from sexual harassment and pressure ! Geeze , a few years back , people used to come into our department just for a laugh and to relax , even had a producer that said we where so funny he wanted me to write a film script for a comedy . ( Hmmmm ... I wonder if now you are allowed to laugh on a set that is filming a comedy ? ) Also I know of more than one incident (in Oz) where a woman told her mates about trouble she was having so a group of men went to have a 'chat' with the offender after work . That stopped it cold . Another time a manboss kept trying to hit on another guy , who complained ..... ooooo what happened to him ..... highly embarrassing ! That action would be considered highly politically incorrect as well , but it stopped the harassment dead ! Another time , a real big knob ( from USA ) tried it on, so he was left a 'present' as his cases where packed for trip home to US (and hence through customs ) ...... a little explosive powder from special effects and some 'sacrificed' cocaine . We had our own ways of sorting problems out ... I guess, now, I am pretty 'old school'