Nungali

yes, that '' dont dob me in at the judgement hall '' idea is strange , but you offer an interesting insight . The 'ab' seems to be the seat of the 'Immortal Osiris ' ( that part of the psyche that survives death ) ? Then again if it is the ab that survives death .... it now appears it carries a lot of dross with it that either needs to be silenced or purified ? I have always thought the destruction of the 'heavy heart' was a bit over the top ? I used to interpret that as 'try again ' ... back for another attempt / incarnation . But perhaps a LOT of the psyche does survive death ..... into the 'hall of judgement ' (or 'adjustment ' as Crowley changed the relevant Tarot trump title to ; Justice > Adjustment ) and it is but the Ab that 'goes on' beyond this (or is cast down or returns ) . This might make the 'hall of adjustments ' and the 'purging ' of the heart the 2nd death .... then the 2nd life begins . Then there would be a 3rd 'death' ... through the 'gate of Nut ' to become an 'immortal star ' ? I think this was originally only the King's privileged , then those close to him and then eventually every person's (in some way ) ? I cant see from my modern perspective that King Charlie is the only one that is 'going to make it ' . .

If you meant forums and not sites ... none ... they drop away one by one like autumn leaves that once were young

Then why are you citing it as applying to most Christians of today ?

I have personally dealt with ' Feral Children' and cases of 'extreme isolation ' in my hospital work ( as well as studied the phenomena psychologically) . It happens more than society realizes . One time I had to help a guy wash himself that came in , he was a mid teen and had been kept in an old abandoned chicken pen up in the back yard , by his parents , on a not very isolated property . Boy was he in a sad state ... I had to shave his head as it was a mass of lice nests . Thing was he seemed a smiling happy fellow .. but then again , he might have just been happy to have any sort of human contact ... he did not talk .

'Punished ' by his daughters ! They 'punished' Lot for offering them to a mob rape by getting him drunk and then bonking him ? And these OT stories you use to somehow try and justify your personal slant on Jesus' teaching ? ... I cant wait to see what you come up with next

Okay then ........ ( I am thinking of them ) By then things had moved on . You have moved into obscurity again ; of course people that developed beyond tribes did not have tribal policemen . My comment was due to you claiming that in the past there was no 'policing ' . The people that later had wars and feuds had an equivalent to policemen and it didnt stop the wars and feuds . Just like today we have police and the forces you outlined and we STILL have war and chaos . What ? You think the people in Gaza should have just rung 000 and asked for the police to come ? So I really dont see the significance or even reason behind your question . ... and then shoot you . Are you trying to now claim policing stops wars ? - I am sure you can put up some of your 'proofs' for that Oh ... now I get you .... just like African Americans can rely on the police ... just like Aboriginals can rely on the police and be assured of their safety when in custody ... ( since we no longer have 'commoners' I had to use different examples ) and just like the police will protect a 'lower class' or 'commoner' exactly the same as someone with influence in society . ....... ideally . Ha! Warrior cultures are more a development of raid and run cultures on horseback or other fast transport ( to run away afterwards .

Daobums has become my fav site again . ( Just after we were told 'it is over ' )

A further snippet of similar ' good spirit ' . After the above fight the Captain of the Guard ( who happens to be a drinking companion of the one defeated ) sees 'Twilight' and tells him that the knocked out man is in his drinking circle and he has asked him to seek revenge on 'Twilight' for him . Twilight .... Seibei says ; '' Oh ? '' The Captain responds ; '' Yes. ... some 'men' are like that .'' and walks off .

Now ... the opposite ; pure sword : pure mind . ' Twilight Samurai ' - 'Old Twilight ' as the other 'higher rank ' Samurai called him ( behind his back ) ; past his prime , about to set, tattered and worn , no use but as a lowly storage clerk .... but was he ? ? ? Eg. He was advised NOT to pointlessly keep looking after his old and demented Mother - in - law ... '' your wife is dead , you have no obligation '' ... it was suggested he tie her to a pole and leave her in the back of his garden . That is why he was 'poor' , he spends his money looking after others . He does several righteous deeds .. that go against 'tradition' , but he knows what is right to do . Eventually it gets out that he is more than he seems , as he has to protect a friend from being killed .... then he demonstrates proper 'use' of his sword .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twilight_Samurai It is interesting to watch both films ( both are very well made and acclaimed ) and see both sides of 'sword philosophy ' . I prefer : ' He who lives by the sword ( righteously ) shall have a righteous life ... and death . He who lives by the sword ( badly ) will have a bad life and a bad death . '

Mmmhe ! It seemed as 'efficient' as many people are .

I keep looking for comparisons which are not in the text - any 'modern understanding ' . But you seem to be keeping within a more 'Egyptian understanding ' . For example , I want to know more about this use of the 'shadow' , but you seem to be keeping within ' Egyptian ' understanding . So I would like to hear a bit more on this concept of shadow and how it relates to the larger personal schemata ... from the Egyptian understanding and if you want , from your own as well . Also the last section reminds me of that part of the practice I did (using the Stele ) at the four stations of the Sun : 1. The path of Re (Ra) is a path of seeing - of seeing the sunrise and realising one's identity with the sun. (Time of performance was at dawn ) 2. The path of Atum where you absorb the qualities of the sun into yourself back to the primordial substance of your being. ( ... and at Sunset ) 3. The path of Khepri where you perform transformations to universalize your understanding ( ... and at midnight ) 4. The path of Hathor where you reside in perfect joy/bliss of 'unity'. .... ( and at Noon ) - of course they would be done in the natural progression ; dawn , noon, sunset and midnight . Also , as we discussed a few times in the past ; this cycle seems to break the sleep cycle at least once ; either dawn for those that stay up late and sleep late , or at midnight for those that go to sleep before then (of course it is possible to sleep after midnight and wake up { and stay awake } pre-dawn ) . ( there is a lot more about these realms and entering and passing through these 'doors' .... in the modern practice , but I dont want to diverge too much from your translations - good stuff, thanks ! ) This seemed like a practice ( that developed eventually ) to maintain mindfulness (of doing the practice ) during sleep ie. after a time one does not need an alarm, the sleeping body wakes itself up at midnight to do the practice .... then other things occur after that which seems to indicate practicing awareness during even deep sleep , which might suggest the practice will help maintain or help with an 'emergence' of a higher consciousness after death . The idea (of the modern practice ) is something like ... there is a 'blank circuit ' that can survive death termed (in this system ) 'The Immortal Osiris ' . If one goes about life unaware and ignoring this , the life experience does not 'imprint' on it but instead 'imprints ' on that 'which does not survive' death , and hence is lost in the afterlife transition . The key seems to be to 'imprint' the Immortal Osiris with the 'lessons of life' .

If you have an evil mind ... then anything you put your hand to will become evil as you will use it to suit the purposes that your nature has dictated to you . Even good spiritual teachings ! I recently observed this . A person with a 'bad personality problem' got taught something valuable .... they immediately used it as 'ammunition' to be able to 'get' others in their typical mode of behavior . It became an 'evil teaching' . other people that got the same teaching , took it in and applied it to themselves ... then it was a 'good teaching' .

'Interesting ' opinion but not based on reality . That is a very narrow view based on local and recent historical private perceptions ... ie. its removed entirely from reality and seems based on old movies and TV shows . ' People never used to be as rude back then as they are on social media now due to fear of reprisals ' . Really ?! Thats ridiculous ! let's start at the top : Medieval knights issued challenges by a formal public declaration and / or hanging their shield ( with their identifying coat of arms ) at a special location, or at the location of the joust , 'melee' or fight . Often the shield would have extra symbols , designs or colors outlining the 'rules' ; type of battle, weapons allowed , etc ( so the general 'audience' would know what 'entertainment ' they were in for . and also a formal written out challenge would be issued by a herald to to opponent . What people took steps to avoid being impolite during a time of oppression, and feudal slavery ? The slaves ... the peasants ... the farmer grovelling in the dirt before his ' lord '? The 'Lord' may have been polite to another 'Lord' but you seem to be ignorant of the major 'impoliteness' of the ruling class .... torture chambers are not that 'polite' , you know . But I guess that isnt as rude as '' The type of extremely rude and disrespectful behavior commonly found on social media '' ? When was this era of no 'police' and people having to protect themselves ? Down here we have access to one of the oldest remaining cultures in the world ... they had tribal policeman .. and if you felt wronged you would go to the elders council ( government ) and anyone that needed to be disciplined, tacked down, bought back, punished ... the 'tribal policeman ' would do that . I even have a friend that is one nowadays . Its been going since at least 9000 BC . As far as people not running away because they had to 'leave their stuff at home' .... have you ever heard of refugees ? ... Displaced persons ? Even migrants ... you think migrants take everything with them when they go ? However yo u might be surprised what they do manage to take - . I worked in refugee relocation for some time , by the way .

Right .... so, do you still see this story of lot as an example of Jesus teaching about not resisting an evil man / men . That Jesus' way would be to offer your virgin daughters to a mob rape ?

What a 'curious' take on that story of Lot . Can you outline what Lot did to placate that 'mob' ? That always makes me think of 'Sword of Doom ' - what a nasty fellow ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sword_of_Doom#Plot

What seems to be behind this issue ... on the deeper level , is what people consider 'real ' . When dealing with systems based on an older world view , it can be confusing to examine it with concepts from the 'modern western' view . What constitutes 'reality' is a major philosophical difference .

The quote from Mathew is about when you can not fight back with anything but your ability to stay centered and say ' Is that all you got ? No matter what you do , my spirit still stands strong' . * The quote from Luke is about when you can fight back and cause change . Life is varied .... and sometimes we need to 'adapt our philosophy' according to circumstances . * Husayn Ali was banished and imprisoned for his beliefs . But he took the ' Matthew approach and that caused people to become curious, admire and eventually follow him . So the authorities would send him somewhere else ; the same would happen there . Even in jails , they would have to move him as the guards started to be effected by him . Eventually he became the leader and founder / prophet of a new world religion .... the Bahai's . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baháʼu'lláh# Previous to this their forerunners , the Babi's took the 'Luke approach ' ... they were crushed by the Muslim forces . .

Condolences to you . I lost my father when I was 17 . I became a bit estranged from my parents when I moved into adulthood ... my direction and life choice confounded them . I used to think they were strangely 'bland' and had narrow interests . later I realized that it was just total devotion and focus on the kids . That passed on to all their kids , who did great parenting . I havent had my own but have had to step in a bit and help with young ones at times . Thanks to my parents , I am supposing . if we have not had abusive parents , we often are not aware of that , but if you didnt have abusive parents ; you got a BIG head start in life , and a seed was planted so we can find space to care for others . Some times its good to share that appreciation with them .... their good works will pass on down through the generations .

Mostly . Its a cultural object , like someone might wear a small sword as a pendant or ear rings .... These might suit you ? I have seen him use the bone as a handy tool . However they 'symbolize' such things eg . when someone got 'a talking to ' for an infraction of law he was one of two sitting either side of the person and he had a 'number 7 ' that he was holding . Traditionally he would have got a wack with it but not nowadays .... a bit like the mace on the speakers table ; a symbol of authority and speaking . Joking with me ..... they do that ... and I do it back ( hence my name relating to being 'cheeky' ) ;

It must be 'Cheeky Week ' ! First some person that is now 'turned on ' to indigenous wisdom ( she spends10 minutes in the recent 300+ indigenous smoking circle ceremony that everyone else did , tells ME ( one of the fire keepers in that circle , friend and student of some elders , friends with the last generation of elders , done ceremony with the present senior elder , etc etc ) I need indigenous education and have not learnt what she did . Then one of my lizard friends that come inside and who I hand feed nips me twice on the little toe while I am reading inside . Parrots making a racket at the door ... what now ? Ohhh , the bird bath is not full enough ? I am filling that up and one swoops... ''Alright alright .... I'm doing it okay ! '' Then a possum falls out of bed and lands against the window , hanging by one paw , and has two large furry balls pressed up against the window .... and stays there ! Well, thats just lovely isnt it ! ... what a view . '' I had one piece of bread left for a quick breakfast before I go to town . Mum butcherbird comes in and steals my breakfast off the toaster! And in town , I am having coffee with Uncle W . ( who is still around .... the one in the video with a bullroarer ) . Tourist people are looking as he looks very 'tribal' and has taken to wearing a large bone through his nose ( a 'point the bone ' bone ! ) . I leave and say goodbye and he calls out loud ' Goodby Auntie ..... ( to them ) ... that's my Auntie ! '' What the ..... ? Its supposed to be ME that is the cheeky one ( last generation of elders named me Baaliigin - 'cheeky quoll ' < ... eyes dart left and right .... waiting in anticipation for the next 'one' .... > .

Nothing ... the guy next door made some for his house foundations . Many plants provide birth control for women . For men ..... I'm sure you know .

Noooo ... most of those animals would be 'feral pets ' . I have feral pets . A GF once asked me about that ; '' What' a feral pet ? '' Me ; '' Its a native animal that relates to you with familiarity without being imprisoned or controlled, you can have all sorts of fun together , but when you are busy or go away somewhere they look after themselves ... no responsibility or hassle involved .'' She glared at me ... Me; '' What ?? '' '' I am a feral pet aren't I ? '' ''Ummmm ... errrmmm ..... '' She is a brilliant singer songwriter , a week or so later she ; '' I wrote you a special song ! '' Great ! let's hear it . She starts up on the guitar and then , something like ; '' Feral pet ... feral pet , you treat me like a feral pet , you do what you want , and you dont caaaaaare ! feral pet, feral pet ...... '' and so on .

Nah ... I was talking to a donkey .

Indeed ! Who needs all that 'extra trouble' . I was watching my boss once do 'paperwork' , he had a bunch of different stuff laid out on a table , including harassment from the taxation department , bills, insurance , some type of health and safety issue , the wages , and managing a repair on his private expensive vehicle and an issue with the trucks etc etc . ' heart attack ' material , in my book . I winced at it and he ' What;s that look for ?'' '' Ughh, I hate that stuff , that's why I am a bum and live simply and happy, do my work and at the end of the week , put my hand out and get money in it . Then after a few weeks I go back home to my cabin in the forest . .'' Boss ; '' Do you want to swap jobs ? ''

I am feeling nostalgia for a time I want to have . Yesterday I said to someone ; '' I am going to make my own commune and say who lives there or not ! '' Friend; '' Who might that be ?'' '' Me for a start , then various birds, including some tawny frogmouths, a flock of crimson rosellas , a wedge-tailed eagle, a collection of pademelons and potoroos, two wombats , a pond with some fish and three donkeys .