Nungali

Discuss ? ..... Discuss ? He doesnt want to discuss anything . He wants to be a 'spiritual teacher' and have followers . - No discussion required !

Now you are trying to cover up the glaring mistakes and blunders in what you wrote by trying to wave it away as 'style' ! It has nothing to do with a persons style . You are just trying one lame excuse after another . I suppose I could say, yes, it is about approach .... yours is reckless and dangerous and leads to trouble ; all the problems with yourself and your experiences... which , by the way, you have stopped talking about . I guess you realised the fallacy of writing about 'what and how to do certain things' according to you and then write all this stuff about how bad its all going for you ) . My approach is sensible, rational, well thought out , the traditional approach and gives good results ; I will say this again : I am not the one here that has constant troubles, been trapped in the Abysss for years , gets tortured by demons / spirits / angels - whatever it is ... has angry angels after them , etc etc ..... So yes. It IS certainly abut different 'approaches' ! ... and telling me to go away and post somewhere else isnt going to work either . Now, what are you going to try next ?

Its in the posts here above , the ones you are going to try tomorrow. Also 'cutting energy cords' , you where given a link to that above . Take a holiday , break the habitual cycle of things you did that where associated with her . Work some ritual or meditation of protection around yourself and where you sleep ; form a clear blue egg / sphere around yourself , practice a Banishing ritual or Rose Cross ritual ( see Regardie) . Make sure you dont have any of her stuff or gifts or trinkets . Take up a new sport or hobby - something that gets your energy flowing in new ways . Shave your head . Remind yourself of and rejoice in your new found freedom . - Congratulations !

Thats fine but when, in the middle of that, they casually drop advice to other people , like ; " Remember that this is part of an initiation rite, and that the Neophyte assumes to know nothing and is willing to try anything, until the time is right for them to partake in further rites." Now, it might be fine if YOU consider it an initiation rite for YOURSELF , but to remind someone else that 'it is' that, is something different . It is also not assumed that the Neophyte knows nothing either . The Neophyte should be immersed in the curriculum of the Neophyte and should actually be learning and knowing a lot . And they should not be willing 'to try anything' , they should be sticking to their curriculum . If one took your advise here , a neophyte should be willing to 'try' a demonic evocation, before they have even learnt the protection and banishing rituals . This is exactly the type of problem that arises when one goes 'free form' , by themselves and tries things without a valid, structured , step- by step, with the stages in the right arrangement , curriculum . You should learn about the dangers of , how to protect yourself against and the correct processes involved with electricity before you attempt to wire and set an electrical system . Similar thing ! Know nothing and try anything ... a recipe for a huge mess .... like some people here have got themselves into . And it doesnt even make sense what you wrote ; " try anything, until the time is right for them to partake in further rites." If they are going to 'try anything ', why wait for a 'time' to partake in further rites if they are going to try anything in the first place . We had a young woman neophyte here years back that would not take this advise . As a member of our group she was allowed to borrow from our extensive magical and hermetic library, I told her ; 'Anything from the bottom shelf ; intros, curriculum material, banishing rites etc . ' What does she take (without my knowing ) ? The Necronomicon . For whatever weird reason she felt to do that Next month she is admitted to a psyche ward . I am not just criticising the format and ignoring the wisdom , I am saying, in a lot of cases the wisdom has been replaced with some dangerous 'advice' to others that is NOT just some persons " ... thoughts and ideas are in some sort of mystical process ... " But ilumairen did simply offer you some wisdom and you responded with these two posts above . ... hence her last comment above . She actually offered you exactly what you were asking for here , " .... We can look at different ways of understanding certain passages if you'd like, and I am able to share how they would fit into either of the two maps for understanding I've shared in this post if you are interested. " And look how you responded , by reminding her what the Book 'is' and jumbled up with bad and wrong advice ( and where the hell did you pick that up from anyway ! ? ) and not really engaging with what she offered you . So I guess you aren't interested in that either ... even though you are whinging about no one doing what she did . These are the sort of things people here cane you for .... not 'formatting' not 'musing ' not just merely 'expressing yourself ' . Its a general dynamic you got going . ... and I am still waiting for some answers to those very basic questions I asked you . .

Lately I have returned to the delights of congee for breakfast . I Used to like making up the conge breakfast table at work with a full range of : Congee, diced steamed chicken breast, diced tofu, chopped coriander, chopped small shallots, slivers of red capsicum, chopped fresh chilli, crushed peanuts, bean sprouts, small crispy dried fish, fried crispy shallots, chopped chilli soaking in rice vinegar, boiled egg, bits of left over Peking duck...... anything you want really, or any type of leftovers fish sauce various soy sauces, different types of chilli sauces and pastes - add what you want. It was one of my favourite jobs ; finding a selection of nice little bowls, preparing all the ingredients, making each dish a little work of art .... laying out the table .... the arrangements of different types of sauces and pickles Oooo what a creation .... then a stampede of people, and at the end a messy table and strewn empty side dish bowls and platters all about . A bit like spending hours on a sand painting and Lama comes along and destroys it I was very popular with our Asian workers though . My own fav combo is chicken or tofu, capsicum, coriander, bean sprouts, chilli in rice vinegar, fish sauce and light soy The congee part is easy ; boil cooked rice in water with a heap of grated ginger until it turns into a porridge Mmm Mmmmmmm .

I agree with you here . Any 'correct' use of tarot , I suppose, is the use at hand . I dont use it to 'tell the future' , but if others do I dont see that as 'incorrect ' . But that would be incorrect for me . Same with attributions, on the Tree or other wise . It really doesnt matter what system is used unless it is one that works and you are consistent with it , or the system has its own 'internal logic' and it works for you . Card meanings or interpretations are similar ... within a boundary , as we do have different suits, numbers and concepts for a valid reason . For example, my 2 fav decks are pretty different , I approach them from different 'needs' : Thoth deck and Liz Green's "Mythic' ;

Perhaps, as there where over 600 sub cultures/ languages here . That birth belief might be in some . On other forums ( history , anthropology) I have debated with some that claimed Aboriginal people didnt know where babies came from and have cited such myths as proof. Well, of course they knew about that - otherwise why did men use subincision as a form of birth control . A lot of northern cultures say the first woman walked out of the sea up onto the beach with a bag full of tubers nuts and roots and a belly full of babies . In regard to Tiamat I find the Creation stories with the Rainbow Serpent theme interesting .

What a nice little summary ... thing is .... you still havent answered my questions . You said you would answer questions, you complained that it wasnt true when it was said you refuse to answer a simple question, you said people where picking on you by saying you would not answer questions , you asked people to ask you questions . I said that you wouldnt answer them, you would just use trickery and diversion and double speak and cosmic jargon trying to show yourself in some type of 'spiritual knowledge ' . You said I was unfair and picking on you for saying that . Yet, you still have refused to answer very simple questions about this thread, which you started and made claims about yourself in; being a member of the 'White Brotherhood' and being a prophet . Instead you wrote the above rubbish as some type of self justification . Well, that has not let you off the hook at all . You call us egotists yet it is YOU that are asking people to follow you . Why on earth would anyone want to be a follower of someone like you ... that cant, will not and refuses to answer the most simple of questions and can not show any real depth of understanding about the subject that you want people to follow you in . .... and we are the egotists ! Astounding !

Mmwa ha ha haaarrr

Was that a channelling from 'the God Mapa ' ? Which leads me to my 4th question for Mskied , about claiming to be a prophet , now (see post #1 ) - no need to ask who the God Mapa is though, I looked it up - only one hit cam up though ; https://www.crisisprevention.com/en-AU/What-We-Do/MAPA-Management-of-Actual-or-Potential-Aggression-1

Now, dont make fun of this . This is actually a magical diagrammatic scemata ; there is my higher self , in communication with all my little helpers spirits and demonic entities , who, together with me all make up and constitute this being that I pretend is my " I " . ... and not only that , with the pillows , I get to lay my head on Snow White's boobies every night .

'Liked' because 'thats me ! ' I tried the inside out thing, I tried the roll it inside it and match it , then unroll and its supposed to come out inside the cover ...N ope . I even cut out the base seam (and why on earth does it not go all the way across , the press studs just in a small inner opening that doesnt go to the edges ... DAMMIT ! Finally I gave up ... now it just lays on top of the duvet ... and no one can tell ! See :

Now he will come back and chastise you for what 'you' wrote up there ^ What the heck, I'll give it a go too : Oh Great BullShit generator , why did Mskied write 'Greatings from the W B ' ? The goal of psionic wave oscillations is to plant the seeds of truth rather than illusion. Consciousness is a constant. To traverse the quest is to become one with it. Ohhh ... I see. And another ; Is Mskied claiming to be a member of said 'White Brotherhood ' (otherwise, why start your own thread saying Greetings (or Greatings ) from ...... " ? We are at a crossroads of conscious living and materialism. Reality has always been overflowing with starseeds whose hopes are baptized in inspiration. We are in the midst of a sublime invocation of well being that will clear a path toward the dreamtime itself. ... Wow ! This shit works !

You have not answered my three simple questions ... just tried to avoid them ... again !

Salt and fresh water conflicts seem popular in agricultural areas near deltas here in Oz, the same , but it seems to be based on sea rises and inland rising salt polluting water holes . Here is a traditional story ( a bit more humorous perhaps ); How the water turned salty . Bush Cockroach , Wallaby and Possum decided to have a ceremony ; " We will be needed to be painted up , Bush Cockroach, paint me up nice . So Bush Cockroach painted up Wallaby nice . " Now, Wallaby, you paint me up nice . " So Wallaby painted up Possum nice . But Bush Cockroach , " Hey, what about me ? " So Wallaby and Possum painted up Bush Cockroack , but not very good . " Hey! What's going on ? You both got painted nice, but look at me , not nice , bad job ! " So he starting running around pissing on everything . Possum complained " hey, dont do that, its getting in the water .... you turn it all salty ! " But he didnt stop, he ran here there and everywhere , pissing on everything. So Wallaby grabbed their water bag and held it shut so they would have something left to drink . And thats how it happened ; all the fresh water we have today comes from that water that Wallaby saved , and all the rest of the salty water comes from what Bush Cockroach did . - Ummmm ... people .... dont piss in your water ! .. and dont dye it blue, for goodness sakes ! Far out with the foam of the present that sweeps to the surf of the past: Where beyond the extreme sea-wall, and between the remote sea-gates, Waste water washes, and tall ships founder, and deep death waits: Where, mighty with deepening sides, clad about with the seas as with wings, And impelled of invisible tides, and fulfilled of unspeakable things, White-eyed and poisonous-finned, shark-toothed and serpentine-curled, Rolls, under the whitening wind of the future, the wave of the world. ( Swinburne )

By the way ... I am not swine , I am a pearl assessor and yours appear to be a cheap copy ! I do know something about pearls , during my recent visit to Monkey Mia I purchased two beautiful black and white pearl arrangements - yin and yang - for two of my girlfriends ( Ms Yin and Ms Yang ) . Now, all I have to do is wait for them both to wear them at the same time and run into each other

More diversion proving that what you wrote before is BS or a lie Answer the questions !

See ... a diversion ... another excuse . Same old game from internet posters around the world , trying to show others how 'learned and smart' they are .. and then having the audacity to try and set themselves up in those very subjects . And then when questioned, using tactics to try and divert . You actually need a much dumber audience than Daobums my friend ! If you answer the questions , attitudes might change . carry on like this and , of course, it will all play out according to the silly game you are playing ... what did you expect ? You made a claim ( that you would answer questions ) and you refuse . What reaction did you then expect from people . You are a bluffer about this knowledge and a bad one at that .

No, that isnt all I do . I do claim however to be informed on the subject you are trying to 'instruct' people on . I also ask questions ... how about answering them ?

I have been all along , and i also included references quotes and links to further explain or back up the validity of what I was saying . And other posters here have supported that . Now you are starting to get frustrated and angry about me NOT doing that ? Oh, and by the way ... I am not the person claiming to be an informed master at all . now , are you going to answer my question about YOU claiming to be a representative of the White Brotherhood ... hmmmmmm ?

Why wont YOU answer a question , to the point; my 3 simple questions . You said you would, when it was said you will not answer you denied that so a question was asked ... you didnt answer that either . Then I asked mine ... all I get is a list of other questions back . You have messed the whole thing up here .

WOW . I feel I am dealing with retards here . I will try to set this out simply and basically for you . Its a joke . My post was a copy and paste from the Seb Pierce site . It was meant to 'emulate' what I was pointing out about Everything . I already explained all of this in a post above and gave a link . Do you know what a link is and how to work it , Did you think that was serious post and I actually wrote that myself . Are you thick, or what ?

Tried that ... it just got you in a flap . Thing is you are NOT qualified to TEACH anyting about this . I know you (and a zillion other new age wannabes out there ) WANT to be 'teachers' but It isn't teaching , it is just uninformed opinion .

This is soooo common that people do not even know they are doing it . The 2ic at work did it habitually and I , in turn, would habitually correct him , but he could never understand what I meant . Until one day he says to a group if us at lunch . " ... and then this gay asked me for a date ... well, you dont want that do you ? " and I " That depends if you are gay ... or a straight woman . " He stopped, looked at me and ; "Ohhh ! NOW I get what you mean . Some people claim that using 'you' ( you want this, you should do that you need to . etc . ) is actually part of meaning a 'collective I ' ???? I think it is an unconscious word arrangement to garner a collective to justify ones own opinions and experiences as something we all do and think . .... ya dont want your opinions unjustified by lack of projection ! Oh! excuse me .... I dont want my opinions unjustified by lack of projection .

Fun, isnt it ? here you go ... here is some source material about the idea of True Will that Crowley proposed , the subject that Mskied seems to be having great trouble trying to navigate . I think Crowley picked it up ( and complicated and obscured it ) from his and the GD studies in 'Chaldean Magic' . Its pretty simple - one just has to see his idea of 'The True Will' as the Zoroastrian ' khvarenah ' ; http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/overview/index.htm#khvarenah