Nungali

I am wondering how all this would have played out from the beginning if we changed one or two slight details ; A poster appears and their avvie pic is They are asked about that and they say 'It is the fairy swirl ' and that it is special to them but has also unlocked a door of 20 years suffering . You point out what it is generally thought to be and they respond that it is a secret meaning you ask more about that but their response is .... you either known it or you dont know it . You ask more and they start going on about Daoism .. firstly quoting Lao but after a while making weird interpretations , saying all sorts of weird and strange stuff and interpreting Lao Tzu's writing in a VERY strange way and claiming Lao said this and that . You continually ask for references as to where on earth Lao said that, but they refuse to ever give a reference. Then they claim much negative stuff about Lao and his writings . You present the good and positive stuff . Then THEY start catterwaillin' that YOU are negative and controlling and this and that ..... That is the essence and the issue under the outer clothing . Earl Grey can see it very clearly ... some only see the surface . Although this dynamic has been pointed out many times , some see it, some only see the outer (again, maybe becasue they have not read all the content and have not followed the dynamic that led to the outcome . Sure YOU ight just walk away .... good, if thats your method . Me .... as I have owned many a time here .... I am a goat ( Chinese year ) .. and butty ... and a crab ( western astrology ) .... I tend to 'hang on ' ..... but some think that's 'unenlightened ' < shrug >

Dude ! What makes you think I have any 'face' left ? Obviously I dont give a shit about that either . No, its something different going on here ( see below ) Regarding moderation, here is a little story ; Many people here consider themselves 'advanced' or enlightened' ... to some degree . Have you met 'Wellsie' ... he's a good sort . One time we where 'bantering' and other posters got shocked, offended , etc . I made some juvinile silly and stupid comment about the size of his dick . Some peeps where outraged , some demanded an apology, so I wrote one out and posted it ; I a sorry , sincerely , I am really sorry ... seriously ... I am sorry ... ... I am sorry Wellsies dick is so small ... it must be terrible for him . - some where outraged .. Wellsie? He laughed . ... there ya go ! Other enlightened ones would be outraged . But people see all these things differently . We had a guy here (briefly ) that did Iado . Good, I wanted to talk to him, we did a bit, But then this other side surfaced . He seemed to think he was very advanced and wrote how he would do this thing to people where they where tricked or something and that exposed them as some inferior type, and he then laughed at that, and said how good he was at it , as he was advanced and most other people where not . Fair enough , but I decided to try it on him, to see how he took his own medicine . Well, he fitted and vomited. Could not believe someone here on a daoist forum would insult him that way ... he left in an outraged huff . Some members where outraged at me, saying I had driven off a new good member ( probably they never read all the posts ? HMMMMMM ? ) others knew exactly the dynamic played out . Same here ... some see the shadow play others dont . Whatever . Obviously I dont mind mud play at all .. we used to have this thing called 'the pit ', 'questionable discussions' would be thrown down there where people could do as they will . Ahhh ... the pit ... Bring back the pit ! Of course there is . You seem knowledgeable on a range of subjects that interest me and others here . If you are reasonable, can support what you say with reference to text, experience, good observation, etc . If you can answer a question, if you dont engage in silly tactics regarding the way the discussion or debate goes (like the ones pointed out here by me and Earl ( eg) . Try it . you might be surprised . But if anyone starts acting like a real dick ... well ...... Thats if humanity lasts that long .

Just watch and listen to Evelyn up there ^ , you might enjoy that more . However, if you DO want a mud fight ( and another of my music narrow bubble choices ) see ; @ 4:22

My music bubble includes Philip Glass, Nina Hargen, Prop ( astro jazz) , Tool, Mike Oldfield, Sade, and Evelyn Glennie ( who happens to be deaf ( she plays by feeling the vibration through her feet ), Sultana , Material .... among others ( see my posts in the music thread for more ) ; in

Yes, they have a soul .... but apparently not a daoist soul , obviously, now being made in India, their soul is more related to Vedanta . Its a re-incarnated Royal Enfield (how about a nice English triumph ? https://riders.drivemag.com/features/triumph-motorcycles-thailand-factory-visit )

Thats right . ... you think , not . We already went through that side of things pages back . Hence the thread title . You should have weighed in back then , berfore I got convinced otherwise . Now great sage ... make a list of the things in YOUR life buddy that you have yet could do without . Come on, cough it up . - and what makes you say the Earth is dying ? That is such bull shit !

sorry , taking the rear seat off and putting a little rack on it .

Ahhh a retro teenage metal head ! I should have known !

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Nope . It isnt about any one's interpretation is better than anyone else's It is about how you yourself contradict your own interpretations - which change from day to day. And you cant or will not accept that ... and just go on continually doing it . Eg above . You started off on this site telling people ( and quoting Crowley yourself and the Book of the Law ) 'Love is the law ' See ... he just said so ... let your Law be love . But all YOU can see is cruelty and oppression and a need to force your will over others - hence resulting in a fear of others forcing their will on you - of course . A lot of this has NOTHING to do with my understanding, study quailifcations or interpretations . YOU constantly keep shooting your own foot . And blaming everyone else . Which is rather typical of 'these types' . We see it a bit on forums like this, over the years , They come and go .. after trying to make a kerfuffle and blame others for it . How can I read this as what is ? You confusion and word combinations are getting worse . ... and worse . Oh ? he said to kill to get lovers did he . This is the kind of made up shit you continually claim and constantly refuse to cite where it is in his writings . You are probably all confused about Liber Oz , which is a call to revolution and liberation and yes, it does allow violence and fighting, it IS NOT the Christian properganda of " Just be still and put up with opression as when you die you will get your reward in heavan and your persecutors will be punished in hell ' - the biggest con in history . It is the violence that has been behind every revolution we have had . But you dont want this . I suppose the next time a Hitler arises you will not want to condone violence to get rid of him , you will be telling us to just line up for the gas chamber . You need to read some history and get a BASIC understanding of human nature ! See - self contradiction - you say it is your fault you created him ... but it is the will of the universe . But Crowley would say we created him . Do you put your brain in gear before you let out the clutch of your mouth ? Rubbish . You have not read or refuse to acknowledge his writings on criminals and punishments . There is a heap on it ! The issue is , criminal acts offend the WILL OF THE MAJORITY . he has writings about theft and other serious crimes and states that if people can not accept the just laws of their society - the collective will - then they are free to live in their own society whith no laws or collective will - that is , a thief, by depriving someone of their own property, has magically asserted that they do not hold the principle of property ownership, so that should then not apply to themselves . Thus is all just another case of your ignorance , slanted views or wilful deception . - which one is it ? You keep touting falseness - ow matter how many times and how many people point this out to you . It is not 'do what we think ' - you just made that up . Bullshit ! Where did I saw 'Crowley was harmless ' Absolute lies, bullshit and putting words in my mouth I never said . These are your tactics , yet if I point them out, I am the bad one - laughable ! he isnt harmless ... look what happened to you from trying to comprehend what he wrote .. you are messed up bad from reading him , but then again, you would probably end up like that from reading anything deep or mystical . Again , your own writings show you dont understand it , self contradictory and always seeing the negative side of it . Then why cant you quote any one single piece of it to support what you say ? And where did I claim to be enlightened . ????? Man, you wasted 20 years of your life then ... and that's sad . Nope. I believe life should be love and enjoyment .. and my life is full of it . Is this post the beginning of you ignoring me ? lets see how you go with that then .

Well, Mskied is stuck in the Abyss ... he won't be leaving as he himself wilfully rejected all help from ANYONE here . So, one must assume any 'Guardian Angel' he picked up along the way is actually an 'Abyss Angel ' ( Wow ! he looks tough and scary )

Which it has ... which I did and today its snug in its own little shed with a nice insulated cover on it . I went for the 'squadron blue' colour ... niiiice ! Gotta stay under 60kph for the first 500k - run in . those 650 twin RE 'Interceptors' are looking better, got great write ups and half the price of a triumph !

Actually, I am not allowing anyone to post in this thread any more .

No ... he will 'not allow it '

Are you referring to me ? If so ... this bit will turn out interesting ; YOU dont intend to ALLOW me . So ... how ya gonna 'not allow me ' , eh ?

..... if I say so .

I like it further up the page here where he went back and edited the fish bike comment to dog bathing and lottery .... because I posted a picture of a fish bike . Well .... that;ll show me ! and the long post of all the quotes all together with no responses as he wants to keep a record of it . He's getting more nuts as this goes on

Faqs available here .... Q . Hello, I would like some facts please . A. What do you want to know ? Q. Oh .... anything about it you would like to tell me . A. Sorry, that is not public information .

and another BS non answer ... even after supplying info requested .

So ... luke supplies what is requested ....

Another bullshit non answer

Indeed, and as cited earlier occultism is a very general term for a lot of things . An occultist can be a person like Colin Wilson ( author ) , Crowley, LeVay, Hitler or average dude that is interested in and reads up on the subject.

Not sure what you mean by ' vertical ascendance.' , but sone of the earliest Shamanic cave art literally depicts it - the shaman lying on the ground, a line going up from him with the Shaman 'flying' above him connected to the line . Or the same , with other figures climbing up the line .