Nungali

Thats ^ more like the responses that annoy me , and not just from WMP , but I have noticed a LOT of that from WMP discussions . Its also from a whole range of people that talk BS and disseminate false info ( and give but out false info to people who might be genuinely searching, seeking, trying to dispel confusion, etc . ) IE; they cant or won't engage in reasonable conversation of debate , they misquote, wrongly summarise, avoid detract and use all types of tactics, won't answer relevant questions .... But then again, this type of 'communication' seems ever so more popular in the greater community .

Ahhhhh , doesnt matter .

You just keep doing the same thing over and over again . You make selected misquotes from the Book of the Law, add some of your own stuff, come up with bizarre and illogical meanings then say that's what I say and think it means and then YOU tell ME I am 'off my horse' .

Now you are cutting up what was written and mixing it with your own stuff and tossing it into a word salad . It isnt the 'Law of freedom for lovers to do what thou wilt .... either . AND saying I am right, as if I said that , is also a mislead (or yet another attempt at one ) You seem to be trying anything you can think up . Its not hard , its written down in black and white , and its simple Do what thou wilt shall be he whole of the Law, Love is the Law, love under Will . One day, you might even realise the implications of the future tense implication used in it as well . You cant find a line in a book that short, that you are claiming you know about and can interpret ? ( Just as well, as you probably consider that passage 'instructional' . )

Throw it on the ground bunny . Its been a while ... why not ;

What makes you laugh ? Well, nothing really . I just stopped by to tell you that . < mumble mumble ... something about the Law > ...

Flatulent Earth ! Dont blame me , its Aristotle's idea ; " The earth is essentially dry, but rain fills it with moisture. Then the sun and its own fire warm it and give rise to a quantity of wind both outside and inside it. This wind sometimes flows outwards in a single body, sometimes inwards, and sometimes it is divided. All these are necessary laws. Next we must find out what body has the greatest force in movement. This will certainly be the body that naturally moves farthest and is most violent. Now that which has the most rapid motion is necessarily the most violent; for its swiftness gives its impact the greatest force. Again, the rarest body, that which can most readily pass through every other body, is that which naturally moves farthest. Wind satisfies these conditions in the highest degree (fire only becomes flame and moves rapidly when wind accompanies it): so that not water nor earth is the cause of earthquakes but wind, namely the inrush of the external evaporation into the earth. ‘We must suppose the action of the wind in the earth to be analogous to the tremors and throbbings caused in us by the force of the wind contained in our bodies. Thus some earthquakes are a sort of tremor, others a sort of throbbing. Again, we must think of an earthquake as something like the tremor that often runs through the body after passing water as the wind returns inwards from without in one volume.’

No he does not say ' stamp out those that get in your way, and get your way' YOU added that to what he did say and what he did write, which was ' Do What Thou Wilt ' You got the first part right , but why did you feel the need to add that second bit , which is something you made up ? No, wrong again. That is not the only Law , even if it was one , as you yourself have been writing in other posts on DBs ; 'Love is the Law .' Is it ? or is this just you declaring what a complex piece of writing 'is' and that's it , end of discussion . Where on earth did you pick up these 'tactics' ... and why on earth do you think they will work .... and here , of all places . You gave up and lost interest as you found it too hard (on more than one level ) so you just declared to yourself you ' got the message ' and stopped reading . The message is NOT 'Do What Thou Wilt, and fight for what you want'. It is very clearly ' Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, love is the Law , love under Will . Which even YOU started off quoting at the beginning of this written out saga of yours . Mhe .... I am proud , confident and wealthy and I STILL cant do what I like .... it would interfere with my True Will too much .

No I dont claim " Crowley wanted everyone to be different " . he did acknowledge every one WAS unique and individual though . And in another thread I did not say " there is a Greek definition of life that would be the same for all of us, and call that our True Will " So any demand from you about which is the statement I never made in the first place is defunct . If you cant read and understand what I write and have to make stuff up about it , heaven knows why you chose someone like Crowley to interpret !

I just remember a thing that used to happen at work ; Wait ! Wha's that noise ? Sounds like air coming out .. has your tyre got a puncture . " What ! " bends down to listen to tyre ..... " BRAAAAAATTT TT T ! " One time the Greek veggie man turns up with a delivery , another huge one . Me; "Oh no, we gotta make a pass chain again " Veggie man ; " Dont worry boys, I git a new trolley . " pulls it out the back of truck . Me; " Say, thats a nice trolley , looks brand new and .... hey whats that noise , is the tyre leaking ? " Veggie man ; " WHAT ! Its brand new ! " bends down to listen to tyre . Simon ( 2 IC ) : " NOOOOOO ! " grabs veggie man and wrenches him away . Veggie man : " What the hell ? " Simon : " Dr Bacon was just about to fart in your ear . " A few days later Veggie man gives Simon a bottle of wine " here ya go, this is for saving me ." Simon ; " Huh , saving you ? " Veggie Man : " Yes ... saving me from Dr Bacon's fart ." (or what is otherwise known in the industry as ' back quack' .

I got a friend that used to like blowing stuff up . As time goes on, that gets harder , fireworks where banned eventually and used to have to do seedy stuff , like go to Canberra and make undercover deals with Chinese grocers ( " You want cheap firecracker ? " ... "Yes I do actually ! " ). When that dried up it was flogging explosives from the special effects department . But nowadays, when a bin or something blows up people dont laugh any more , explosions make people nervous . So what to do ? I am visiting his house in the city and he wants me to watch a little film he made , of the latest 'Sculpture Symposium ' - they have this thing once a year where a popular coastal walk in one of the very expensive suburbs in eastern Sydney s dotted with sculpture and modern art and the locals can stroll along , stop, sip their portable champagne and engage each other in 'symposia' Whatever ... so the film starts, there is a cave / grotto with people standing around looking at some yuppie conglomeration and discussing its artistic merits . Then Billy enters the scene and i realise one of his mates must be filming from nearby. He stands there contemplating the sculpture from different angles, trying to mix in with the crowd then makes his way over to a nearby rubbish bin, drops something in it and starts to walk away , increasing speed . Oh no ! Whats he done, this is gonna cause a problem ! But there is no bang . Then people standing around gushing about the obscure 'installation' start looking uncomfortable, moving around, looking at each other , now fanning the air, covering their faces and start to evacuate the area . "Whats going on ? " I asked . :" Fart bomb . " Oh dear ! [ A while back, he showed me a birthday card he got from work , he said he didnt get it and asked me why anyone would give him a card like that . Really ! ? It was one of those retro cards ; a man in a straight looking suit holding a briefcase is running down a street laughing - caption ' Although Brian (and someone has written 'Billy' ) was a full grown man with a steady job, he still found it funny to knock on peoples doors then run away .' ] Described him to a T ... but he still doesnt get it - He is banned from it completely now, one of his old decayed Chinese 'Roman candles' blew up and misfired,, one ball hit his wife in the head and another went through an open house window ... boy did she go off ! The last event, I was at a dinner party at their place , he excused himself and wet out to, we thought , the back toilet . Then we hear a flush and the basin tap, he comes back sits down and we continue . A minute later KA - BOOM ! far out ! Everyone at dinner nearly jumps outa their skin. His house backs on to the University car park, a big hollow concrete structure. Wife - angrily . 'BILL ! ' Innocent : " What ? " " Did you do that ? You did didnt you ! " " Of course not , what, you think I can jump the back fence, jump the Uni security fence, plant a banger, jump back both fences and get back to the dinner table before it goes off ? I dont think so . " Wife ; < nasty glare > Later when his wife leaves the table he winks at me and learns over and whispers " Time delay fuse " . Its gonna go bad one day !

post it in tarot section, that could do with a spark up

Aside from the fact that Crowley himself went to great lengths to try and clear up this VERY common confusion between 'True Will' and 'want' . The same as a few posters here also pointed out the difference . And numerous informed and practised commentary all over the internet ( I mean things like thelemic sites ... not lame arse Christian 'everything not us is Satan sites ') . I also note ( which adds to your confusion about this ) you are using definitons of 'Will' , not 'True Will' . For a better understanding see : (personal ) ' Khvarenah ' . http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/overview/index.htm#khvarenah

And yet again, you did not address what I bought up .You went off on another Crowley rave , instead of answering what I asked (- regarding YOUR misinterpretation of MY post ). How did I set ?

First page says there is a problem - Sorry, there is a problem - Error code: 1F176/3 and then 'request access ' Is the problem that I have not requested access ? Or maybe I should just post my 'recent observations ' elsewhere ?

Why do you say that ? I said " comes from a deep understanding and satisfaction of a fulfilled (or fulfilling) life where one expresses their soul and self feely as their work, career and expression of self and spirit " Why did you assume that each ones expression of self and spirit will be the same as others ? You seem confused about all this again ... although you deny this . You will have to explain first why what I wrote is seen as a " True Will that would be the same for all of us" before your claim of me making two opposing statements is validated . According to the principles ( not just Crowley - remember I have studied this across the board, and the principles hold true in many cultures and societies across time and location. If you remember , I even offered to show you a point by point comparison with Zoroastrianism .... which was never taken up , ) What I actually support is ( and my whole post above affirms this ) that each person is a unique individual that has a need to express that in their self and spirit and work and how they interact in a socio cultural context . It does not mean however that two people cannot have very similar wills (eg in the case of a soldier ) . What IS the same , or similar , for all of us is the result , both in the 'feeling' of the individual and the socio-cultural context ,. Thats the whole reason for supporting and implementing the system in the first place - both human individual and collective happiness and fulfilment - to actually enjoy life - 'The Royal Road' . Which goes back to the observation that so many people who live simply with not much seem a LOT happier than many westerners who have so much , yet suffer boredom, depression, mental health problems drug abuse and suicide . If you take away these good principles from indigenous / tribal cultures they too start to suffer the same way . But it certainly does NOT mean everyone has the same true will and 'for the life of me' I cant see how you came to that conclusion from what I wrote ... ... I have been advocating the opposite all along .

Actually the Greeks themselves saw two types ; 1.[english] The ancient Greeks divided Philautia into two kinds: There is one that is pure selfish and seeks pleasure, fame, and wealth often leading to narcissism and there is another healthy kind of love we give ourselves. Philautia is essential for any relationship, we can only love others if we truly love ourselves and we can only care for others if we truly care for ourselves . The 'healthy love we give ourselves ' comes from a deep understanding and satisfaction of a fulfilled (or fulfilling) life where one expresses their soul and self feely as their work, career and expression of self and spirit and is in a socio-cultural context is their meaningful contribution and in turn appreciated and supported for it. In short , they are living their ' True Will ' . This is what brings true and deep happiness and better relationship between people .

to ... "open your mind to a different scenario "

Hi .... allow me to introduce myself ;

Lousy bum ! Get a job ! ..... and form your own opinion !

Typo . He is making soup . here ya go ; Every onion can be sold and every onion can be bought . For an opinion on that see https://www.theonion.com/

'Goats do too ... and they look like Snakes with Egyptian hats on . True story ; on the old tarotforum site . The usual crazy banter about Crowley , this time his tarot deck and the devil card . One 'tarot expert' asked what the ' thing with the wings and the two dangling bits where. ' Another goes ; I thought that that was the devils penis. Another goes "Oh my goodness, the Devil has two penises? They look weird ! " Me ; 'Not for a goat, that is how a goat's penis looks . ' Woman poster ; " 'But its got two ! " Me; "Yes, a goat does have two penises . Thats why he is smiling " Her; " What ? I never knew that . " Another ; " They look like snakes . " Me ; " Yes they do look like snakes ..... curly little snakes with hats on . " Another " Thats weird ! Goats are weird . " A different poster ; ' To me, it looks like they are part of the foreground image , they dont appear to be between the goats rear legs. " Me; " Oh no , a goats penises are between its front legs . " Another : " WHAAAT ! ? Then finally ; " Dear Ladies, its called a caduceus and is a winged staff with serpents twined around it " Me ; "Damned spoil sport ! "

The '32 level Tree of Life stuff' is the basis of the tables that are shown in post 5 . ie. a 'field' or subject matter ( like perfumes, gemstones, Gods, meditations , etc ) are classified according to 32 levels which are the 10 sepiroth and 22 pathwaya