Nungali

Wet your clothes (damp, not dripping - too dangerous to be dripping up a tree ) . It makes a HUGE difference . The water evaporation from your clothes makes temp drop inside them . Some days ( and it does get HOT here ) I am ready to give up, cant go on. I take a break and a hose down, then I can continue like its normal temperature .

Rabbi and priest are fishing ( apparently this happens a lot, although I have never seen it R; " So, this Priest caper , you do alright with that ?" P; " Caper ? Alright ... " " R; " Yes, do they look after you, do you get enough allowance , is their room for advancement ? " P; " Advancement ?" R; ' Yes, you are a priest ..... but then what ? P; " Oh, I see , well, I suppose I could become a Bishop some time in the future ." R; " I see ..... and then what ?" P ; " Well, after Bishop is Cardinal, if I became a Bishop, thn I could become a Cardinal. " R; " Ooooo Cardinal ! And then what ? " P; " Well, if I did become a Cardinal and I wanted to get involved in politics and all that, its not impossible that one day I could be elected Pope . " R; " Oooooo Pope ! ... and then what ?" P; "Look, what's with the sarcastic attitude ? There is no 'and then what ' after Pope ! Thats it ! What ? ... you expect me to become Jesius Christ ! " R; " Well ...... one of our boys did it . "

You dont have to be left enough . You can even be right . Just dont write no more right wing bullshit . Its pretty clear ... if you read the words , and dont imagine stuff into them . When you start imagining stuff ...... monsters grow out of that

Ni night time Ahhh .... many a 'curious ' conversation I have had with 'our Moonie' .

You know what I hate ? "Economic rationalism ' ....... if it makes money , its 'rational' It closed down old soldiers homes , dispersed their 'little communities - about all they had left - and relocated them . It shut down nurses homes and nursing homes and old people's facilities . Why ? Because they where not making enough money - 'unviable ' . How the hell did people start to think that looking after old soldiers, the sick and the elderly was SUPPOSED to be about making money ? How did that happen ? The "board' didnt like it ? The 'shareholders' voted to 'invest elsewhere' . I saw a doco about an old school , full on USA capitalist ( sorry, cant remember the details ) ... he made a CRAZY amount of money . But wanted kids and could not have them. So he and his wife adopted some . And some more ... and more . And then it spread, eventually he had all sorts of things running, orphanage, school , hospital, accommodation, scholarships , etc . A huge corp . Well, if you got enough money, you can do what you want - even nice things . He died and it continued for some time, turned into a big biz with a board and shareholders . Until a few years back . Not making enough money . So the shareholders of the corp decided to dissolve split up and sell off the man's dream . and now, I am thinking of 'Weather Underground ' - way to protest ! Dont go and hassle the office building or have a march and wave placards. get into the files of the board meeting ... somehow .... find out who actually voted for whatever shit is going on . And take your protest to them directly 'Weather Underground' style .... KABLOWIE ! Note, for those unfamiliar WU (as far as I know ) never injured or hurt anyone , nor where any of them ever caught . Some handed themselves in long afterwards . One got caught but that was more in a Black Panther operation. Now, a bit more of that .... the faceless people voting on their boards and holdings might think twice before they go along with some shitfull vote . ( like , no, lets not spend money on fixing that dam .... its only Brazil )

.... oh, yes, I neglected to mention another type of perhaps 'folk ' magic . ' Fool ' s Magic ' - is he a fool or a Fool or is he just acting like the fool ..... and really 'some type of powerful sage ' ? Of course, one can easily tell by the results of the operation - considering its intent , irregardless of how ridiculous the operation seemed in the first place

As far as making herbal tinctures and simple preps go , and putting bottles of stuff under sunlight ( basic Rosicrucian practice { AMORC 'Rosicrucian' that is } ) or Moonlight , I recommend this great basic intro book with some easy to follow experiments you can do yourself ;

Okay, I was about to ask for more description here , but .... Okay gotchya . 1. I have been a long time practising magician . 2. Also a cook / chef , as well as professionally . 3 . A gardener / farmer , " " . I was also the preparations maker / distributor for Biodynamic Agriculture Australia , for some time . Now Biodynamics is interesting - it is a blend of 'folk farm magic' and some alchemical principles . If one is not a hard core Steinerite , and can stand to look deeper into the history of it all, one finds some of this is based on old Euro 'farm magic' Eg . 'Clay preparation' ( lets say it is the mediator between the 'raw' form of good earth - manure , and the 'complex' - quartz crystal rod - the 'earthly and cosmic forces'. If you use prep 500 and 501 , the clay prep should be used as a balance . The same way as 500 and 501 is prepared ; put a little in pure water and stir it, one way, then the other. 'Sprinkle' it about . This comes from the old tradition of 'erde or ton sanger ( earth or clay singer ) . ' It goes like this ; Farmer A notices that although they are both seeming to the same thing farmer B's fields seem richer and greener, his cows fatter and giving more milk ( maybe even, like with our neighbour across the river " Why do my cows keep coming over here to eat your grass ? I got plenty of good grass over at my place ? ' ) So A gets one of his sons to go over and spy on B and see if he can get any info. The son comes back ; " He went to a patch of bare earth and scraped up some clay and sprinkled it into a barrel of water, then he started stirring the water with his head over the barrel and sang scales , going up and then stirred it the other way and sang going down . Then after a while he stopped and took up a pail of the water and a tree branch and went around his farm dipping the branch and leaves in the water and sprinkling it about . Now being a 'Neo-hermeticist ' ..... I was curious to see if there was a modern or scientific reason behind this practice . I did remember something from (ancient history ) when I studied some soil science at Uni . Anyway, basically ; https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jpln.201700605 There are some other great concept in BD agriculture ; like the farm is an entity with its stomach in the air and its head in the ground . When I first read that I was ... wtf ! But now it makes much sense . So how did old grannies, and farmers and cooks get this knowledge ? here is another example, and I have seen this with a friends father farmer, when I was a youth . Pop sits around at night smoking his pipe and staring into the fireplace .... he must be tired , he looks like he is in a trance byt then he speaks up ' We might plough up the bottom fallow pasture tomorrow . ' WTF, its weeks before time, weeks before rain, the wrong time to do it and even the weather report says so . But, he's the boss, so it's done . And seed is put in ... what a waste ! Two days later it pisses down rain. Crafty old bugger . But, even unconsciously , he has so much experience ( and intelligence and awareness and observation skills must be present ) that each day he notices small signals and subtle messages from nature (much as the indigenous do here - consciously ) and when he 'vagues out ' 'inspirations' surface from this underground knowledge and .... flash! ' Intuition' . (Studies show the most intuitive people have a LOT of experience in the field that they are being intuitive in ) . Here is some source material about Moon cycles for agriculture that a lot of 'folk knowledge' is either drawn from , or discovered by experience , trial and error . Mostly 6 rhythms are used : The Phase - new moon to full moon to no moon every 29.5 days Moon opposition Saturn 27 .5 Moon ascending / descending 27 .3 Moon nodes 27.2 Apogee / perigee 27 . 5 Moon in constellation 27 . 3 ( there is a 7th for averse or 'no agriculture' - when Moon has its 'node day ' - crosses the Sun's path , in some places , like some ag systems in SE Asia , no ag work, not even harvest , is done on these days ) . this results in when to plant seeds , water, harvest, fertilize, weed, etc . here is another one I read about that amused me . woman in labour having difficulty . The midwife arrives , kicks the husband out, then goes around untying anything that is tied, the curtains, tied back are released, any knot in the room is undone, etc And then the baby is born . (no, I dont have explanation for that one ) A good cook can observe someone and know what they should eat for the next meal . This is affirmed when the eater declares " Man that was good ! That was just what I needed ! (I used to cook meals and snacks and stuff for big knobs in the high end if the film industry ) And of course ..... if you dont like someone ....... you can give them the farts all day ( but that would be black magic )

Sean draws a line and you say lets erase it . < shakes head .... walks off >

.... Oh .... I mean bomb ... ban the bomb , man .

Ban the Bong !

That is not THAT unusual . There are traces ( if one chooses to see them as that ) in the 'top route' , half way down America , and near the origin point, but there is not a clear trail of 'footprints' in every place they may have passed through. They may have not interbred, passed through , not found yet ( or ever ), been 'carriers' or even died out . There are traces of ancient people in Morroco that died out and never continued, and in other places . " The link between Australia and ancient Amazonians also hints that several genetically distinct groups may have come across Beringia into the Americas. The Australian signature was first found in modern-day indigenous South Americans by Pontus Skoglund and colleagues (SN: 8/22/15, p. 6). No one was sure why indigenous Australians and South Americans shared DNA since the groups didn’t have any recent contact. One possibility, says Skoglund, a geneticist at the Francis Crick Institute in London and a coauthor of the Cell paper, was that the signature was very old and inherited from long-lost ancestors of both groups. So Skoglund, Nakatsuka and colleagues tested DNA from a group of ancient Brazilians, but didn’t find the signature. Willerslev’s group, however, examined DNA from 10,400-year-old remains from Lagoa Santa, Brazil, and found the signature, supporting the idea that modern people could have inherited it from much older groups. And Skoglund is thrilled. “It’s amazing to see it confirmed,” he says. How that genetic signature got to Brazil in the first place is still a mystery, though. Researchers don’t think early Australians paddled across the Pacific Ocean to South America. “None of us really think there was some sort of Pacific migration going on here,” Skoglund says. That leaves an overland route through Beringia. There’s only one problem: Researchers didn’t find the Australian signature in any of the ancient remains tested from North or Central America. And no modern-day indigenous North or Central Americans tested have the signature either. Still, Raff thinks it likely that an ancestral group of people from Asia split off into two groups, with one heading to Australia and the other crossing the land bridge into the Americas. The group that entered the Americas didn’t leave living descendants in the north. Or, because not many ancient remains have been studied, it’s possible that scientists have just missed finding evidence of this particular migration. " https://www.sciencenews.org/article/ancient-dna-fossils-south-america-populated

I think there are two types of anarchist ; political and general . You spoke well for the political type . But the other type ! (which seems to fit some people's definition here ) EG. On the commune - may years back there was a type of governance system ' the trustees' . It eventuated that most lived off property, did not live in or work in 'the experiment' , did not supply funds or anything much - just had the land title and a mortgage to pay off ( which they didnt ) and a feeling of 'running the show' ( and other insanities ) . briefly; they expected you to come, with your own accommodation, pay to stay there and work for free , while they got supported for 'spiritual teaching' ( about 'Pan' and 'nature spirits ' ..... with no consideration for anything indigenous whatsoever ! ). people lived in bad conditions, one guy in an old chook shed . They had one small domestic fridge for over 30 peoples food and one hoover twin tub washing machine .... remember them ? idiots ! Anyway , as these things usually pan out , there was a revolution , etc etc , trustees evicted residents , most left, the hard core bailed themselves up in the barn and flew the Eureka stockade flag off the roof ( Aussies only real symbol of rebellion ever ) ( which is now 'banned' in 'certain places' by the way ; https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/eureka-flag-ban-industrial-dictatorship-says-cfmeu ) .... or ran away and hid in the forest when the police came to evict them . Eventually led to a mediation where those left and the 'trustees' signed an agreement that is the group formed a company to take on the aims and ideals of the 'trust' they would hand over the land title papers . They did, and over time we paid off the mortgage and all the debts the 'trustees' had run up ... started converting the farm house to a community house, library and kitchen, put in a huge cool room for food storage, an amenities block with toilets showers and washing machines, began putting on festivals, building a sound stage, set up 3 phase power ... built meditation sanctuary by the river etc etc etc . YAY! They even all sat down ( the revolutionaries) and worked out a new fair way to run things , new rues and regs , new assist and help programmes . YAY ! But here is the thing ; I watched for over 30 years those same people that fought for their freedom and implimented their own system and rules ... continually break them, complain about them, subvert them, react stupidly about them, get told time and time again what they where doing ... but kept doing so until they eventually wrecked their own beautiful creation. And then all the good people started leaving . becasue they have NO concept of following a system , they MUST rebel against any system - even their own that they made up themselves . Thats the other type of 'anarchist' . And IMO its a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE fuck up ! And they dont get anywhere with it ... just continual fighting amongst themselves . And besides - it goes against the first lesson of initiation and the first paradox of philosophy ... which every aspiring adult SHOULD learn ; 'In able to better do your will, and find freedom you will have to subject yourself to discipline organisation and training .' Whether it is finding a new way to live , making a new system, practising yoga or meditation , being a soccer player ..... But this seems unpop nowadays .... " I dont need that .... I can work it all out by myself ! " .... and with no self development training whatsoever !

There is a lot to say .... if you choose to . Like why and how do you see it as a symbol of infinity ? I'm interested in stuff like that, and symbolism and its analysis ... becasue I often learn things from that . A symbol can have levels of meaning . For example, I see most symbols of 7 as usually representative of planetary energies. I also see it as a symbol and working plan of New Aeonic male consciousness , The 7 pointed start as 2 forms and what significance does either form have ? What other systems have used it as a symbol ? Its use 'on the astral' . Etc. Stuff like that . or Alchemical ; or in sacred geometry , etc .

Genetics dont work like that. It can be explained and is explained in the material on this subject if one cares to read it eg. " ... But this mixing of genes was not, according to Willerslev, the result of ships crossing the Pacific as previously suggested. Rather, Willerslev suggests that South Americans might have mixed with Asian populations who were related to modern day indigenous people in Australia and Melanesia. This could have allowed the Australian-Melanesian genes to arrive in America by a well-known recent population surge, writes Sciencemag.org " It shows that there was more than one ingress of people into America ..... 'across the top route' from Asia also ; " n some of the living Native American groups -- including the Surui tribe from the Amazon and the people of the Aleutian Islands in Alaska -- the scientists found surprising signs of DNA from Australia and Melanesia. " http://sciencenordic.com/mysterious-link-between-people-south-america-and-australia The pineapple thing got debunked about years ago, just after someone started touting it . Aside from the concept being silly ; Ancient Americans following the Gulf Stream somehow brought a pineapple from lower South America all the way up to the North American coast and then across the Atlantic—keeping it fresh, no less—before turning it over to the Romans, who dispatched it not to the capital but to a resort town where its image was faithfully preserved, though only in an obscure corner of a single mural, for 140 years. There are many 'pineapples' in Roman art . Why, it was decor, a fruit platter decoration, and they are actually pine cones , a common practice in a feast to decorate the table and plates . Specifically , the 'umbrella pine cone . ' They called em pine apples becasue they look like the 'apple' of the pine tree . DUUUUDES ! Still ' patiently ' awaiting the explanation about you interpretation about Thoth and the Egyptian Book of the Dead

Wanna split the thread and talk about that ? /

A different man lets say, if we must . And it just may be an Aussie thing ... to an extent - of course no Yanks are all alike nor Aussies . But we do have types that seem to fit the mould , in some ways or others . I like to joke about that too . Oooo tha antics on our multi cultural work crew ... hilarious ! But regarding this Aussie thing , specifically in interaction with the 'American thing' I still dont know what to call those guys ???? Isnt an Argentinian an 'American " USAian ?? Anyway, regarding the USA / Aust 'cultural thing ' I had a woman from USA go OFF at me this morning on another site I'll put my response here as well , as way of explanation of what I mean Visit Australia ... we all like this . I note you are from USA, often the Yanks would be shocked with us ( I worked a lot with them in the film industry ) - American ; " Oh my God, There are two men having a fist fight in the corner of studio 4 ! " Aussies ; " I bet a 50 on Stevo ! " ..... Here is another dynamic that many get confused about , also at work, same job My boss calling out to and abusing people , to a 'dark skinned gentleman ' ; " Oi , get your n***** arse over here and do some work ... bastard ! " people are horrified ... some . But then later, what they dont see ; said bastard sitting in mess tent looking awful (mocking ) Boss " Now what ? " " My car blew its head gasket, I cant afford to fix it, how the hell am I going to get to work way out here .... going broke ... mumble mumbe ... wife will kill me ... no other job ... moan moan . Boss ; < throws him some keys > ' "Here . use work van, we only use it at work, you can take it home at night and bring it back in morning until you get on your feet . ' or even like @ 0.09

I think Lao left when the government got big . Just a bit bigger than the 'normal' human sized 'horde' ( 'extended family primate group ) could handle , thus creating the FICTION of ALL POLITICAL SYSTEMS . have you read ' Sapiens ' by Yuval Noah Harari ? Its interesting and an 'easy read' style . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapiens:_A_Brief_History_of_Humankind extract - " Harari's main argument is that Sapiens came to dominate the world because it is the only animal that can cooperate flexibly in large numbers. He argues that prehistoric Sapiens were a key cause of the extinction of other human species such as the Neanderthals, along with numerous other megafauna. He further argues that the ability of Sapiens to cooperate in large numbers arises from its unique capacity to believe in things existing purely in the imagination, such as gods, nations, money, and human rights. He argues that these beliefs give rise to discrimination- whether that be racial,sexual or political and it is potentially impossible to have a completely unbiased society. Harari claims that all large-scale human cooperation systems – including religions, political structures, trade networks, and legal institutions – owe their emergence to Sapiens' distinctive cognitive capacity for fiction.[5] Accordingly, Harari regards money as a system of mutual trust and sees political and economic systems as more or less identical with religions.

I just never thought about that . Left or right views, when I ' talked ' to them ? Hmmmm < thinks > Wait up ! Some of you might be .... black . ... or 'even gay ' ! I gotta sit down and think this one through !

You might need to enlarge it , I cant ( since it got changed from a square to a circle ..... by the MODS There they go again ! Damn them ! < fist shake > Of course I am not gonna put my pic up on public forum ! Then you will all know who it is ! Of course, the privileged that can open this may see ;

Hang on ! I just realised I been conversing with people here about all sorts of stuff .... and I never realised, or it has never arisen that they are 'right ' or 'left ' . Just as well I stayed outa the Trump thread !

I'll have you know .... I can snort a grape up my nose .... and then swallow it . Its a party trick I do .... to impress the women .

I though he said he fell in love ? Anything ... anywhere .... can happen then or do you want the deets

I'll add this too .... while I think of it . I see a few comments about socialism, communism, etc (or whatever lefty label ) never works, falls apart , splits, eventually turns to capitalism , etc . First, I agree partially with this ; I have observed it and lived it. Its a 'human group problem ' , any group can have them .. DO have them. I have studied a fair bit on this due to interest in anthropology, socio-cultural models , etc . There are some remedies, but I want to talk about how it CAN work . It really hit home when the Judge ( God bless her ! ) at the end of our winning our Supreme Court case ( the govt, trying to seize our land and property ) said a few simple words . From a Supreme Court Judge mind you . Background context : We are clearly winning and the situation is becoming more and more frustrating and embarrassing for the persecutors .... excuse me , I mean prosecutors ( a 'mistake' I also made in court ) .... she is getting more flustered and angry and finally she looses the plot and bursts out in a tirade ( excellent ! as I KNEW this was a hugest had not surfaced part of her motivation and anger ... it just had not surfaced ) . " But ... but ... your Honor ! These are .... people , that , that ... most of do not work in proper jobs, they laze around most of the day on a million dollar pristine river front property ... for a a contribution of $30 a week each and they are not even paying off a mortgage ! " The judge smiled at her and ( knowing full well the legality of our company and 'operations ' - after presiding over a 2 year legal battle on that very subject ) ... and handing down her decision . " Yes Ms Sharpe . They ran their company very well, didnt they ? " Thus IMO acknowledging that it WAS possible to legally live that within the current system ... and be successful at it . - now there are also elements of why it doesnt work at times or work better, but that is another issue . PS . Our lawyer was incredulous at first when the case opened ; " I dont believe it ! How do you you guys do this ! " " What ? " " Your case just came up before the Chief Justice so she could allocate a which judge was going to hear it . She read the outline and said " I will take this one myself . ' " " So ? " She is the only judge in the Supreme Court that got bought up on a hippy commune ! ' -

I didnt . But I realised as a kid you guys did ! I watched an old corny movie about the Commies invading USA from underground tunnels ..... coming out the road drains and manhole covers .... shooting lone citizens in their backyards while hanging up the washing , etc . Even at that age I thought WTF ?