Nungali

Mmm hmmm < nods> We had one here ... what a dooozy . But could, apparently, hold their end up in matters spiritual . But the conspiracy stuff and woo woo she was into ! My God ! The 'Handbags of the Gods' fiasco ! I pointed out some silly stuff about her theory (in my own unique 'way ' and then, I of course, was hit with a tirade about how stupid I was not thinking any conspiracies at all existed, and then posted heaps of stuff about well known actual conspiracies (as if I had been saying THEY where not true ) and rant rant ... and then , of course ... as they do ... started saying I must be one of them ... an Illuminati shill , yes apparently the illuminati pays people to post on forums like this to subvert the dominant paradigm and .... < sorry, broke off laughing > Well, its not the first time I have been accused of attempted world domination - our magical group was accused of being' Illuminati' because it was a branch of an international order . My response was " Well, I just checked our operational bank account and we have $178 in it . I think we might need a bit more than that to attempt world domination " Of course, there is the other side of real conspiracies . I saw a politician once say " What , you think we meet in rooms behind closed doors and plot with each other < makes 'spooky' hand gestures > ?" Dude ! Thats is exactly what you do !

Bring it one then I aint going now where !

I suppose I am a lefty .... is an Aussie lefty the same as an American one ? I remember our attempts to be left ... left alone that is . Good God, I even got free University as a youth ! Even I was surprised, I asked why it was so at the enrolment office , and how i dodnt even have to do a grad course, just select whatever units appealed to me, didnt have to do exams if I didnt want either .. why so ? The woman at the office looks at me and " Well, the better educated people are in a society, the better that society will be ." yes, back then the government thought like that ! Here is our old 'hero' Gough giving back the land to indigenous ( after passing land rights legislation ) But then .... he went too far ... that 'Pine Gap business' ( US world surveillance centre in Australia ) . What else might make me a lefty ? Well, I been living in a commune for over 30 years ( and I can say that no individual land ownership has ever been an issue with me , cant tell the difference, except the big jobs and responsibilities are shared and I have never had a mortgage but still get to live as if I owned it , on 300 pristine acres of sub tropical rainforest, riverfront . yeah, the government tried to take it back and I fought the Attorney General (prosecutor) in the Supreme court for over 2 years on it ( and going to Supreme Court appeal ) ..... kicked their efen arses ! Ha Har ! What else .... I done a bit of eco protests .... we took 'magic to the forest' , it was fairly successful , one day the loggers turned up with heavy machinery to remove the barricades we had built overnight ... I painted Necronomicon and spirit sigils all over it . I wasnt there in the morning but someone else told me the bulldozer driver freaked out " Thats it, I have had my equipment sabotaged , piss bombs dropped on me, the road blocked everyday and now THIS , (pointed at sigils) I'm not putting up with THAT shit ! " and went home ! YES! I worked volunteer Amnesty International and worked in refugee relocation . Back then you could drive in and out of 'Villawood Immigration Centre ' by showing an Aussie drivers license, take people out for the day, to lunch, check out jobs and real estate, show them the ropes etc . Now its 'Villawood detention centre ' behind razor wire ... people on the roof in there with signs "'Please help us ' we dont know what goes on in there , so sometimes the public congregates outside ...but dont get too close to the fence , even from the outside " Step away from the fence SIR ! " They even got kids in there I saw the old mayor of Adelaide being interviewed - he is Asian . " Oh, I came to Australia many years ago ... as an 'illegal' refugee myself . It was very different back then , my first encounter with Australia was the coastline coming into view after being lost at sea for some time, we where not sure where we where . Then we saw the coast, and this fishing boat came racing towards us with 3 guys in it . They pulled alongside and checked us out . It was pretty obvious by our condition what we where . One of the fishermen opened a can of beer and handed it to me and shook my hand and said 'Welcome to Australia' . eventually I became the mayor of Adelaide . " Done some political protesting too at parliament house (errmm that got a little out of hand , a mate chucked a live running chainsaw over the fence .... over the heads of police on the other side ...... Oh O! They came out after us like a swarm of bullants . And other stuff . Yeah ..... I think tht Trump thread should be closed down . More than one good person has left here because of that . I have nothing to do with it ! Except maybe occasionally post a pic of 'dogs that look like Trump'.

Hey , you come to my house .... expect the same .

I also noticed the mention of 'Hoodoo titles' in the OP . If 'Voodoo' or Voudon' or similar comes under that, I have done a bit of that, the actual practices are wonderful to partake of (well, the ones I went to where ) and 'shamanic ally powerful' ... ... and they got drumming ! I like Louis - he is pretty cool ;

Do you mean offering data that conflicts WITH my viewpoint .... you seem to forget I did that a few times and offered up info that might support your view (in part 1 ) . In case you mean offering up data that conflicted with 'the learner's' viewpoint Here is a start; Geographical http://apworldipedia.com/index.php?title=Key_Concept_1.1_Big_Geography_and_the_Peopling_of_the_Earth https://www2.palomar.edu/anthro/homo2/mod_homo_4.htm Genetics http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/human-skin-color-variation/modern-human-diversity-genetics Linguistics. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsif.2016.0185 even ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language Now, since 'The learner' introduced such subjects and claimed they hold evidence for Atlantians spreading genetics and language, I would have thought that rather than me offering up the scientific view on those subjects , the one making the radical claims should be the one coughing up the evidence . But no, apparently Daobums doesnt work that . I see. They where unknown or hiding all that time in the Mediterranean , up to the time they left for America , which I assume is close to the time of the beginning of Teotihuacan . . hiding out. passing on knowledge, for near 2000 years . To many ... such 'solutions' are NOT immediately obvious ! For 'certain reasons' . Are you serious ? That is nothing like Ganesha or an elephant ! Look, I will help you out even ! next time you want to pull the south American elephant caper ... use a much better example Hmmmm ... more like a Kangaroo in a Theosophical bookstore . Well, the bear in my mind is reminding me that this one of the first questions I asked in oart 1 and YOUR answer was that you wanted to prove that the visions of Edgar Cayce where right . Now, apparently, you dont want to prove anything at all . Okay then . I too like pretty sea shells ...... unless people are mistaking shark shit for them . Hang on there .... you claimed you where going to prove Cayce right . I suppose its all my fault ... again . Of course and I also think the forum should support the valid criticism of anything offered .... especially if its right out there Like people might recommend some far out exercise that will do x y and z ... the others pop up and say BS , that doesnt work, its a fake, it can be dangerous ... etc . The we all read it and come to our own conclusions . I'm going to buy you one of those Elphis Levi Magus 'frock coats' for your birthday . There used to be miniature elephants on Flores Island .. the little Hobbit people humans that lived there used to hunt them (Homo Hobbitus) How far out is that ! And I wouldnt be surprised if I was mocked or asked to show the proof of it . ... thing is, the proof can be shown . .... not of the Homo Hobbitus tag though https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/science/human-evolution/homo-floresiensis/

Like sport .... "We won ... we won " - all he did was sit on the couch, drink beer and watch the tv Great stuff, how exciting .... living inside with no windows down a lava tube brething recycled air and eating 'Mars rations' - no thanks ! I stay here and 'man the fort'.

Dude ! I also note our understanding of sarcasm varies . Now now ... language . I do believe that is reportable ..... you might loose brownie points ! Here is what you do .... you make claims that you cant back up or explain , and when asked to get all insulty and uppity . Rants ? That wasnt a rant . You want a rant ? Right the 'learner ' (oh, look he does have a sense of sarcasm ) .... if you dont like it, why not apply to be a Mod again, that way you can give me more baddy points, like you did last time ... and that on the tail of your own suspension ... and that on the tail of accusing a very nice lady (who worked for admin here and was a friend of mine) of giving secret access codes to people who where trying to disrupt the forum ... crazy batshit stuff .... she was outraged, as where many of us ... and she eventually threw the towel in and left . <pulls his stupid hat down over his head , throws his mug of tea in face and kicks him up the arse > . There ... thats more like what I would call a rant ... but I'm not going to rant ... thats just an example of what I WOULD say if I WAS GOING TO rant Oh, I have wonderful life thanks . Pristine rainforest, crisp clear air, water beaches . organic food growing everywhere , off grid self sufficient , all mod cons , beautiful women , food . No job to grind through but a fat savings account ... just fun stuff to get through and what I choose to do la te daaa (you need to lighten up ) .

Excellent observation ! Thats why it is such a popular theme . Personally, I rather search for the actual lost bits, not the metaphors and analogies . Thing is , by searching for the actual lost bits of myself .... I found some ! Not sure I would have achieved that with the analogy and metaphor .

Hmmm ... looks like he came back and edited it all out a year later ?

Aha ! Soon as I stoped thinking about that poster ..... < flash> Seth Ananda ... something like that .

Have you been reading here over the last couple of years ( esoteric and occult forum) ? There have been threads on similar subjects . But damn, cant remember the titles or even the poster - he disappeared . It was about a type of old wicca ' folk magic .. damn ! wish I could remember the posters name , I conversed with him a bit back then . I looked through the index, nothing rang a bell . I found this though, you might enjoy reading it [ Aries fire dragon eh ? I used to be in a wicca covern that had an Aries, Leo, Sag ... all fire horses ! The Aries and Leo ones where GF /BF .... that was 'fun' . ]

yes ... it must be becasue we are so alike ? I often read what you write and think " Gosh! I could have written that . "

Genetic and language clues are there ? That show that Atlantis spread advanced civilisation around the planet What a shame you cant cite it here ... instead of just saying it exists . Obviously you can cite it .... its just that I am not worth debating with .... all of a sudden ( and I AM the 'light weight intellectual ' ? )

Well, after you fantasize about it too much, you forget about more important and real things and then you waste time chasing your childlike story fantasies . I suppose the next phase is to somehow transform the greedy and war like Invaders of Atlantis into gentle mild 'philosopher kings' next you imagine you had kingdom and riches and that you are or where or even should be Princesses and Princes . And then you wake up ... sitting behind a desk in an office . But dont worry ... you get 1 and 1/2 days off a week ... during that you can sing and sing ... " The poet, the physician, The farmer, the scientist, The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends. Though Gods they were - And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind Let us rejoice And let us sing And dance and ring in the new Hail Atlantis! Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be, Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be, Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be. Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be, .... oh yeah . "

Stonehenge 'phases' cover long amounts of time . Look into Scara Brae and other sites at Orkney Is - which appears to have been the centre of a vast network that Stonehenge later became a developing manifestation of ( dont be mislead by the modern view that Okney is a 'last northern outpost' ) - pre neolithic ( ie , before farming ) Check out 'Ring of Brodgar' and the info on the research of feasting there . Same around Goblkei tepe .... not only hundreds of cattle killed at one time for one feast, but genetic testing shows they all from one heard , Agriculture ? The biggest mistake mankind ever made . http://discovermagazine.com/1987/may/02-the-worst-mistake-in-the-history-of-the-human-race

That adds up to a solid month at the beach . ..... thats what happened at the school next door ; Kids are supposed to have swimming one afternoon a week, but they didnt do that for most of the year. There was a teacher shortage and they got around that by saying they had to catch up and go swimming every afternoon for the rest of the year . So that was my first job there ; taking year 10 kids down the river every afternoon to play in the rainforest swimming holes ..... @ $20 an hour Here, its closed in, a steep sided valley, moisture, sauna like in summer .... getting down the beach and looking out to and feeling the immense expanse of the Pacific Ocean is certainly healing and balancing ! Last time I had to go to 'little city' out on the coast, I stopped at Sawtell Point to see if I could see any whales - this is a good time of year for it . A beautiful crystal clear crisp day , brilliant deep blue sky, clear sparkling water .... then a sort of big rough circular patch ... spreading , boiling turbulence ...... there they are ! Then a huge ' geyser' and breech , then another and another , a whole bunch are surfacing, breeching, tail slapping . Magnificent creatures . Then they all go under and do the same a bit further along , then again under . Then along comes a pod of dolphins , so I watch them for a while . Magnificent ! Go for it man !

Oh , okay then ... I shall note that in 'the record' then .

WOW! The connection of logic here eludes me ! Talk about trying hard ! It might work on the uneducated due to vague and general association . But not to those that know more about the two Gods. I can compare many cultures serpent icons with both Egyptian and South American it doesnt mean that they had a 3000 year time gap influence on each other though. Peepes be straining their logic and reason 'facilities' over this one . They do that when they WANT to or NEED to 'believe ' .

? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_(continent) Why not Doggerland ? We have much better proof that pace existed . https://www.heritagedaily.com/2018/07/doggerland-europes-lost-land/117925

This is a VERY valid point . If we are asked to move a huge a block we immediately start thinking of modern tech ways . But what if we never had that ? Look at big block moving guy in USA .. he uses simple methods, bits of wood, pebbles, etc . and it amazes the modern mind . One simple idea is ; how did ancient people get from B all the way over to D ? They walked . Whaaat ? that would take 9 months ! Why would they take 9 months out of their life just to get there ? Well, they might ask you, why would you take 9 months (or 9 years ) working in an office building !

Ha! Closed mind ... thats funny to people that know me. It seems fairly open to them ... but not open to the sort of unrealistic fantasies you need to believe in . professionally I am retired . I awake way before dawn and spend some time here and elsewhere while the sun rises ... street corners are too cold that time of morning this time of year. Thats right .... its the rational logical types yelling from street corners ... not the believers in Atlantis ! Nice try for an insult ... but actually a failure.. and more ... a backfire - your post reads more like its being shouted from a street corner The rest of the time (on line, reading and academically ) I spend studying the very sciences you are trying to prostitute to your own new age and woo woo ends ; archaeology, palaeontology, history, anthropology, geology etc . I dont bother correcting the frivolous but I will correct people like you that throw their 'proofs' around and try to back them up with science . As I said, believe whatever brain mash you want to or need to, but if you try to back up your BS with science, then expect a canning . and I dont care how many stupid and pathetic responses that are not even relevant that you make, like the above . They are just diversions from the facts that make you feel uncomfortable . Evidenced by the reaction you had . I say, if you misinterpret science to back up your prejudices, I will expose that ... your response was ... well ... look at it ! . You dont compose woo woo well . The whole original hijacking of these tests (by people that did not do them, or initiate them ) was to try and prove trade contact between ancient Egypt and some postulated ancient American civilisation of that same time, by suggesting the mummies had COCAINE and TOBACCO in them - both products of the New World . The whole thing is stupid and ridiculous ... cocaine was not even invented back then, what they thought they found was traces of certain alkaloids similar to cocaine ... so they dropped that like a hot potato (like you did ) . Then they dropped the tobacco to nicotine. The even that got debunked . Except for those , who keep mindlessly repeating this internet woo woo drivel . Its been solidly de-bunked YEARS BACK! Look at the reason and the logic in what you just wrote ; you just admitted other plants have nicotine . This includes many plants throughout Africa as well . Do you know what they are ? Do you know the constitution of mummy embalming ingredients ? The results showed NICOTINE not TOBACCO . Can you understand that ? But you refer to think this means there was contact between the Egyptians and South Americans and they traded ... that is what is touted with the people that started this cocaine mummy BS in the first place ... the original tester and researcher never did ! And then you somehow seem to think it justifies trade between continents than earlier thought . It doesnt . But other things indicate that. And the establishment of an earlier date of intercontinental trade , even if some people in America shipped drugs to ancient Egypt there is still a 3000 year time gap ..... OI VEY ! Nope, not at all. I often debate FOR earlier sea trade / travel dates . Good God man, I am an Aussie interested in ancient Australia , the best evidence we have for early seafaring ! I got posts about it all over the place here . You must have totally missed or read the opposite of what I write here in other posts and all over the forum . I have also been at the fore front and an advocate for , over the last 6 months the whole and complete re writing of Australian pre-colonial history. It can be followed on the Historum website .. and occasional rare posts on Daobums (but I tend not to get too academic here becasue ..... well , people like you . ) Really ? < extreme sarcasm > I review REAL history and am interesting in making VALID changes , not redefining things becasue some woo woo author made you (or me ) feel good with unbacked up, wrong, or money making BS . Yeah .... I already talked about that . If you cant take on my criticisms and challenges without referring me to things I already agree with and wrote about here, then I suggest you leave such stuff to the OP . He makes much better valid points than the response you had . All you had to do was do the simplest thing possible and simply go look it up on wikipeadia ! " The same argument can be applied to nicotine but, in addition, various plants other than tobacco are a source of nicotine and two of these, Withania somnifera and Apium graveolens, were known and used by ancient Egyptians.[ " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henut_Taui

Great ! Your 'research' has made the gap even bigger and even harder to explain Ummmm ..... your outline of the 'possibility' does not address the issue ( ie. the time gap) Nice claim about elephants in meso amercian art Have you been reading Zecharia Sitchin ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin#Criticisms I will file that along with the other 'proofs' ...... like that guy in the 'spaceship' Not only laid dormant .... in some places, to surface again 3000 years later, but also vanished and never came back 3 or 3000 years later in the places, or anywhere else, where they originated . Is that a South African elephant, a South Indian elephant or a South American elephant . Regardless of where he is from , he is blocking the progress of this 'theory' and cannot be ignored. So, he needs to be removed VALIDLY before this idea has even a remote chance of getting past him . Oh, I see ... we are going to invoke the mysterious power and ability of occult knowledge to get around the elephant

Indeed ! people lived a lot longer in the old days ... look at Noah ! And it would take time - especially with 3000 years of teachings aids, tubular saws and giant Sun reflecting polished gold mirrors for laser rock cutting . Even worse having to drag them across the 'top route' and down through Canada (while only building teepees on the way ) Finally, when settling down, they built the teepees out of rocks . (If you put your non working electric shaver in a tee pee overnight on the full Moon ... it will never work again ! )