Nungali

I dont think then, that you understand the ghist of Sterney's argument that you are trying to support ... it IS all about the 'spread' of civilisation .... as much. The mythical Troy has been found has it ? . You need to look deeper into that one . and its one that is always thrown up as an example . But lets run with dominant paradigm here and say it has been ... but that still doesnt ease the the 'strain' of that analogy http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/why-the-discovery-of-troy-is-a-bad-analogy-for-finding-atlantis and some KNOW it is earlier Vikings 'discovery' of America ! Pffft ! https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2018/11/ancient-dna-reveals-complex-migrations-first-americans/ Thats as bad as saying Capt Cook discovered Australia Brought in ? If you happened to dock in Alexandria back then , they seized your books and records by force . Not that I get what it has to do with what you are saying . I already said I am a proponent of early sea faring ... Australian ... remember ? And a reviewer of History . You seem to think that I think Christopher Columbus discovered America ? And are now going on about all this . It started by me disputing our cocaine and tobacco mummies as evidence of trade between Egypt and Sth America, that you offered up in some type of support of the world wide Atlantis influence on world cultures (throughout time) . Now you are acting as If I never knew others came to america before the USA history books state . Way to run a 'argument ' .

Hmmm ... More like 'Sahul ' I think . Some Sri Lankan ' Lemurians' see the 'continent ' extending all the way to off the western Australian . coast

? No . I had a wonderful past ... what you on about ? too much time ? Nah I can breeze through this . Then go to beach, do some training, garden, chop fire wood, do the shopping ,put on a load of washing, cook lunch . later I will read some of the 3 books I am reading at once, do some research on ancient hominids and read and write on the history forum . Although I am running late today , I was up late having sex last night and then listening to music while I drew up architectural plans for my new Japanese bath house I am building . You can achieve a lot when you dont have to slave for a living

A result of your practice . Interesting . My 'spiritual practice' ( I suppose the 'main one ' ) is intentionally ,deliberately, revolutionary, anarchistic and libertarian. Hey ye ! ( ) " LET IT BE KNOWN that there exists, unknown to the great crowd, a very ancient Order of sages, whose object is the amelioration and spiritual evolution of mankind by means of conquering error and aiding men and women in their efforts of attaining the power of recognising the truth. This Order has existed already in the most remote times and it has manifested its activity secretly and openly in the world under different names and in various forms: it has caused social and political revolutions and proved to be the rock of salvation in times of danger and misfortune. It has always upheld the banner of freedom against tyranny in whatever shape this appeared, whether as clerical or political or social despotism or oppression of any kind. To this "secret order" every wise and spiritually enlightened person belongs by right of his or her nature: because they all, even if they are personally unknown to each other, are one in their purpose and object and they all work under the guidance of the one light of truth. Into this Sacred Society no one can be admitted by another unless he has the power to enter it himself by virtue of his own interior illumination, neither can anyone after he has once entered be expelled unless he should expel himself by becoming unfaithful to his principles and forget again the truths which he has learned by his own experience. "

No , YOU probably cant . But in my house , enough is enough . I have instilled a ban on people talking talking 'community politics' in my space . Its been going on far too long, it is disruptive and effects the ' Heiwa-tekina-chowa ' of my space . They keep trying to ; three times recently THREE TIMES I have been asked . cajoled, pleaded with to come to a community meeting ( by a nice young woman ) , I keep saying no, but she is trying to manipulate me . " What for ! You keep doing that, you want my advise and consultation and want me to chair as you think I am the fairest, yet no one ever listens anyway, so why bother . " I said that the first time she asked . After her 4th asking I said " What for, do you think I am a sadist! If I want that I will pay a whore to flog with me with a whip ." She didnt ask a 5th time . The other side of the coin is .... you own a business , you can run it how ever you want . If people dont like it, no is forcing them to be here . .

Mmm hmmm < nods> We had one here ... what a dooozy . But could, apparently, hold their end up in matters spiritual . But the conspiracy stuff and woo woo she was into ! My God ! The 'Handbags of the Gods' fiasco ! I pointed out some silly stuff about her theory (in my own unique 'way ' and then, I of course, was hit with a tirade about how stupid I was not thinking any conspiracies at all existed, and then posted heaps of stuff about well known actual conspiracies (as if I had been saying THEY where not true ) and rant rant ... and then , of course ... as they do ... started saying I must be one of them ... an Illuminati shill , yes apparently the illuminati pays people to post on forums like this to subvert the dominant paradigm and .... < sorry, broke off laughing > Well, its not the first time I have been accused of attempted world domination - our magical group was accused of being' Illuminati' because it was a branch of an international order . My response was " Well, I just checked our operational bank account and we have $178 in it . I think we might need a bit more than that to attempt world domination " Of course, there is the other side of real conspiracies . I saw a politician once say " What , you think we meet in rooms behind closed doors and plot with each other < makes 'spooky' hand gestures > ?" Dude ! Thats is exactly what you do !

Bring it one then I aint going now where !

I suppose I am a lefty .... is an Aussie lefty the same as an American one ? I remember our attempts to be left ... left alone that is . Good God, I even got free University as a youth ! Even I was surprised, I asked why it was so at the enrolment office , and how i dodnt even have to do a grad course, just select whatever units appealed to me, didnt have to do exams if I didnt want either .. why so ? The woman at the office looks at me and " Well, the better educated people are in a society, the better that society will be ." yes, back then the government thought like that ! Here is our old 'hero' Gough giving back the land to indigenous ( after passing land rights legislation ) But then .... he went too far ... that 'Pine Gap business' ( US world surveillance centre in Australia ) . What else might make me a lefty ? Well, I been living in a commune for over 30 years ( and I can say that no individual land ownership has ever been an issue with me , cant tell the difference, except the big jobs and responsibilities are shared and I have never had a mortgage but still get to live as if I owned it , on 300 pristine acres of sub tropical rainforest, riverfront . yeah, the government tried to take it back and I fought the Attorney General (prosecutor) in the Supreme court for over 2 years on it ( and going to Supreme Court appeal ) ..... kicked their efen arses ! Ha Har ! What else .... I done a bit of eco protests .... we took 'magic to the forest' , it was fairly successful , one day the loggers turned up with heavy machinery to remove the barricades we had built overnight ... I painted Necronomicon and spirit sigils all over it . I wasnt there in the morning but someone else told me the bulldozer driver freaked out " Thats it, I have had my equipment sabotaged , piss bombs dropped on me, the road blocked everyday and now THIS , (pointed at sigils) I'm not putting up with THAT shit ! " and went home ! YES! I worked volunteer Amnesty International and worked in refugee relocation . Back then you could drive in and out of 'Villawood Immigration Centre ' by showing an Aussie drivers license, take people out for the day, to lunch, check out jobs and real estate, show them the ropes etc . Now its 'Villawood detention centre ' behind razor wire ... people on the roof in there with signs "'Please help us ' we dont know what goes on in there , so sometimes the public congregates outside ...but dont get too close to the fence , even from the outside " Step away from the fence SIR ! " They even got kids in there I saw the old mayor of Adelaide being interviewed - he is Asian . " Oh, I came to Australia many years ago ... as an 'illegal' refugee myself . It was very different back then , my first encounter with Australia was the coastline coming into view after being lost at sea for some time, we where not sure where we where . Then we saw the coast, and this fishing boat came racing towards us with 3 guys in it . They pulled alongside and checked us out . It was pretty obvious by our condition what we where . One of the fishermen opened a can of beer and handed it to me and shook my hand and said 'Welcome to Australia' . eventually I became the mayor of Adelaide . " Done some political protesting too at parliament house (errmm that got a little out of hand , a mate chucked a live running chainsaw over the fence .... over the heads of police on the other side ...... Oh O! They came out after us like a swarm of bullants . And other stuff . Yeah ..... I think tht Trump thread should be closed down . More than one good person has left here because of that . I have nothing to do with it ! Except maybe occasionally post a pic of 'dogs that look like Trump'.

Hey , you come to my house .... expect the same .

I also noticed the mention of 'Hoodoo titles' in the OP . If 'Voodoo' or Voudon' or similar comes under that, I have done a bit of that, the actual practices are wonderful to partake of (well, the ones I went to where ) and 'shamanic ally powerful' ... ... and they got drumming ! I like Louis - he is pretty cool ;

Do you mean offering data that conflicts WITH my viewpoint .... you seem to forget I did that a few times and offered up info that might support your view (in part 1 ) . In case you mean offering up data that conflicted with 'the learner's' viewpoint Here is a start; Geographical http://apworldipedia.com/index.php?title=Key_Concept_1.1_Big_Geography_and_the_Peopling_of_the_Earth https://www2.palomar.edu/anthro/homo2/mod_homo_4.htm Genetics http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/human-skin-color-variation/modern-human-diversity-genetics Linguistics. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsif.2016.0185 even ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language Now, since 'The learner' introduced such subjects and claimed they hold evidence for Atlantians spreading genetics and language, I would have thought that rather than me offering up the scientific view on those subjects , the one making the radical claims should be the one coughing up the evidence . But no, apparently Daobums doesnt work that . I see. They where unknown or hiding all that time in the Mediterranean , up to the time they left for America , which I assume is close to the time of the beginning of Teotihuacan . . hiding out. passing on knowledge, for near 2000 years . To many ... such 'solutions' are NOT immediately obvious ! For 'certain reasons' . Are you serious ? That is nothing like Ganesha or an elephant ! Look, I will help you out even ! next time you want to pull the south American elephant caper ... use a much better example Hmmmm ... more like a Kangaroo in a Theosophical bookstore . Well, the bear in my mind is reminding me that this one of the first questions I asked in oart 1 and YOUR answer was that you wanted to prove that the visions of Edgar Cayce where right . Now, apparently, you dont want to prove anything at all . Okay then . I too like pretty sea shells ...... unless people are mistaking shark shit for them . Hang on there .... you claimed you where going to prove Cayce right . I suppose its all my fault ... again . Of course and I also think the forum should support the valid criticism of anything offered .... especially if its right out there Like people might recommend some far out exercise that will do x y and z ... the others pop up and say BS , that doesnt work, its a fake, it can be dangerous ... etc . The we all read it and come to our own conclusions . I'm going to buy you one of those Elphis Levi Magus 'frock coats' for your birthday . There used to be miniature elephants on Flores Island .. the little Hobbit people humans that lived there used to hunt them (Homo Hobbitus) How far out is that ! And I wouldnt be surprised if I was mocked or asked to show the proof of it . ... thing is, the proof can be shown . .... not of the Homo Hobbitus tag though https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/science/human-evolution/homo-floresiensis/

Like sport .... "We won ... we won " - all he did was sit on the couch, drink beer and watch the tv Great stuff, how exciting .... living inside with no windows down a lava tube brething recycled air and eating 'Mars rations' - no thanks ! I stay here and 'man the fort'.

Dude ! I also note our understanding of sarcasm varies . Now now ... language . I do believe that is reportable ..... you might loose brownie points ! Here is what you do .... you make claims that you cant back up or explain , and when asked to get all insulty and uppity . Rants ? That wasnt a rant . You want a rant ? Right the 'learner ' (oh, look he does have a sense of sarcasm ) .... if you dont like it, why not apply to be a Mod again, that way you can give me more baddy points, like you did last time ... and that on the tail of your own suspension ... and that on the tail of accusing a very nice lady (who worked for admin here and was a friend of mine) of giving secret access codes to people who where trying to disrupt the forum ... crazy batshit stuff .... she was outraged, as where many of us ... and she eventually threw the towel in and left . <pulls his stupid hat down over his head , throws his mug of tea in face and kicks him up the arse > . There ... thats more like what I would call a rant ... but I'm not going to rant ... thats just an example of what I WOULD say if I WAS GOING TO rant Oh, I have wonderful life thanks . Pristine rainforest, crisp clear air, water beaches . organic food growing everywhere , off grid self sufficient , all mod cons , beautiful women , food . No job to grind through but a fat savings account ... just fun stuff to get through and what I choose to do la te daaa (you need to lighten up ) .

Excellent observation ! Thats why it is such a popular theme . Personally, I rather search for the actual lost bits, not the metaphors and analogies . Thing is , by searching for the actual lost bits of myself .... I found some ! Not sure I would have achieved that with the analogy and metaphor .

Hmmm ... looks like he came back and edited it all out a year later ?

Aha ! Soon as I stoped thinking about that poster ..... < flash> Seth Ananda ... something like that .

Have you been reading here over the last couple of years ( esoteric and occult forum) ? There have been threads on similar subjects . But damn, cant remember the titles or even the poster - he disappeared . It was about a type of old wicca ' folk magic .. damn ! wish I could remember the posters name , I conversed with him a bit back then . I looked through the index, nothing rang a bell . I found this though, you might enjoy reading it [ Aries fire dragon eh ? I used to be in a wicca covern that had an Aries, Leo, Sag ... all fire horses ! The Aries and Leo ones where GF /BF .... that was 'fun' . ]

yes ... it must be becasue we are so alike ? I often read what you write and think " Gosh! I could have written that . "

Genetic and language clues are there ? That show that Atlantis spread advanced civilisation around the planet What a shame you cant cite it here ... instead of just saying it exists . Obviously you can cite it .... its just that I am not worth debating with .... all of a sudden ( and I AM the 'light weight intellectual ' ? )

Well, after you fantasize about it too much, you forget about more important and real things and then you waste time chasing your childlike story fantasies . I suppose the next phase is to somehow transform the greedy and war like Invaders of Atlantis into gentle mild 'philosopher kings' next you imagine you had kingdom and riches and that you are or where or even should be Princesses and Princes . And then you wake up ... sitting behind a desk in an office . But dont worry ... you get 1 and 1/2 days off a week ... during that you can sing and sing ... " The poet, the physician, The farmer, the scientist, The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends. Though Gods they were - And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind Let us rejoice And let us sing And dance and ring in the new Hail Atlantis! Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be, Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be, Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be. Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be, .... oh yeah . "

Stonehenge 'phases' cover long amounts of time . Look into Scara Brae and other sites at Orkney Is - which appears to have been the centre of a vast network that Stonehenge later became a developing manifestation of ( dont be mislead by the modern view that Okney is a 'last northern outpost' ) - pre neolithic ( ie , before farming ) Check out 'Ring of Brodgar' and the info on the research of feasting there . Same around Goblkei tepe .... not only hundreds of cattle killed at one time for one feast, but genetic testing shows they all from one heard , Agriculture ? The biggest mistake mankind ever made . http://discovermagazine.com/1987/may/02-the-worst-mistake-in-the-history-of-the-human-race

That adds up to a solid month at the beach . ..... thats what happened at the school next door ; Kids are supposed to have swimming one afternoon a week, but they didnt do that for most of the year. There was a teacher shortage and they got around that by saying they had to catch up and go swimming every afternoon for the rest of the year . So that was my first job there ; taking year 10 kids down the river every afternoon to play in the rainforest swimming holes ..... @ $20 an hour Here, its closed in, a steep sided valley, moisture, sauna like in summer .... getting down the beach and looking out to and feeling the immense expanse of the Pacific Ocean is certainly healing and balancing ! Last time I had to go to 'little city' out on the coast, I stopped at Sawtell Point to see if I could see any whales - this is a good time of year for it . A beautiful crystal clear crisp day , brilliant deep blue sky, clear sparkling water .... then a sort of big rough circular patch ... spreading , boiling turbulence ...... there they are ! Then a huge ' geyser' and breech , then another and another , a whole bunch are surfacing, breeching, tail slapping . Magnificent creatures . Then they all go under and do the same a bit further along , then again under . Then along comes a pod of dolphins , so I watch them for a while . Magnificent ! Go for it man !

Oh , okay then ... I shall note that in 'the record' then .

WOW! The connection of logic here eludes me ! Talk about trying hard ! It might work on the uneducated due to vague and general association . But not to those that know more about the two Gods. I can compare many cultures serpent icons with both Egyptian and South American it doesnt mean that they had a 3000 year time gap influence on each other though. Peepes be straining their logic and reason 'facilities' over this one . They do that when they WANT to or NEED to 'believe ' .