Nungali

" Hey guys! What's this button for ? "

Actually, it contains principles that if adopted would make ALL OF THIS a nice place to live . Thing is sadly ... most people are not like that . They want a nice place to live, but then they go about wrecking it .

Nearly forgot to finish this . .. so the idea here is ... after a while, you go 'straight up ' . Two things might happen ; you go 'up' into 'higher astral realms' and its all 'astral symbolism' and learning and development etc . You go up in more of a physical sense .... eventually there is no up as you are floating in space above the earth ... get far enough away from it and the idea of 'up' disappears .... from then on , its all ' Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia' That is, one has the previous meditations in hand * and then ..... bon voyage ! https://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib536.htm

You need Sterny ! Have you seen his threads here on Atlantis ? I can help you unravel the Shambala mystery if you like. On the physical plane that is. I can show some very old history on it, how it developed a root philosophy that penetrated into all mainstream western religions, teachings associated with it and the general area ( Tagzig Olmo Lung Ring - Tagzig ; modern day Tajikistan - western lands of wisdom , while in the 'west' wisdom is said to have come from the east. ) And it will also include the unveiling of a lost civilisation. I'm not talking fantasy here ... I can back it up with science history and archaeology . To actually find its location (Kalapa), within that area would then be up to you. Let me know if interested and I (or you could ) start a new thread on Shambhala .

You have asked a very valid question. And you know what, not that many people ask that ! Its crazy, I know. Would you listen to any random character that happened to walk in your open door ? No. You would want to who they where, what there name is and what they are doing there and what they wanted ! It amazes me that people do not put the same things to any type or form of being that happens to manifest. well trained magician would, they would consider it essential Magick 101. And it is ! Learning how to do this is a big part of practising magic and be dangerous (or at least foolish ) to the practitioner not to apply tem. I mean, its just common sense, but for some, common sense and magick dont go together ... it seems . Many a time I have put the Wilson van Dusen link up, it is an excellent account of the two different types of spirits, that is, ones that appear to help the individual ( angels, guides, guardians, etc ) and the subversive or unruly,( those that try to disrupt the individual ( 'demons') , being a psychiatrist, VanDusen classifies them as 'hallucinations of the good or bad order'. This division is across the board - across time locations and cultures. Valid preliminary magical training should include methods of identifying and dealing with them. The 'rules' and methods described by Dr VanDusen are essentially similar to classical magical ones. Our 'intuition' may help us , but our intuition may also be manipulated. Intuition works best in areas we have familiarity with - thats been proved more than once. So if it is an area one is not familiar with, I do not recommend using only intuition.

Thats a more advanced practice, some preliminaries and 'awarenesses ' need to be established first, for those just starting out. Ooops .... look at the time , cross training day in town ! 45 mins away and gear not even in car yet ! More later .

One of the more advanced practices is to construct your own astral temple ... your ' sanctum sanctorium ' .

The laugh isnt about your purpose, its about the idea of one 'visiting themself' for practice in 'visiting elsewhere' . Anyway, it seems you feel you have enough to begin ... thats good . Most people want to rush ahead and know the end steps without practising the preliminary ones ( and usually never practice any of the steps anyway ). In the sort of travel you seem to be implying, one needs to understand what the astral realm actually is, so as not to fall into confusion; it is a different counterpart to the physical material realm, that is , if you do astral project to Chatham Is, dont expect it to look like it would if you checked it out on google earth or went and visited it physically. Many make this mistake, and with that wrong understanding, that is why experimental works in this kind of AP fail . Some claim it, but none can prove it in experiment . regarding 'purpose' .. let's say one wanted to 'astrally visit' somewhere to observe and come to a conclusion ( or even generate change). First you would have to recognise the astral counterpart and effect change in the astral counterpart so that the change happens in the physical . But unless you understand HOW the one is reflecting the other, changes in the 'astral' may not transfer as one might think to the desired changes in the physical. Its not the physical world where behaviour, actions and consequences are fairly straight forward ( for some ! ) . Even 'helping' someone ' in the astral' might have very different consequences on the physical. Anyway, if you practice, make sure you follow up with integration exercises / meditation. Like a physical runner needs a fit bod must make the 'astral body ' fit, and especially fortified against invasion - but that is more about when your projections get beyond the field of influence of your physical body . ( eg LBRP and similar ) Eg. We had a woman in our magical group that was a 'natural' . Often she would describe her 'visits' to my place. She lived interstate and would feel she was missing out on too much so would 'astral travel' to my place for events or classes . Her descriptions where 'inaccurate' but of the right 'flavour' . Sometimes she was pretty close . But considering her natural ability, I dont think she was doing enough integration and fortifying work .. she was susceptible to 'invasion' ; a strong mind, but easily influenced by others when emotive content triggered , got involved with manipulating men and eventually developed a bad drug habit, then, as far as I know, dropped out of that magical path ... ended up joining some cult ( that took all her money ... etc )

How to absorb energy from trees ;

Just what I was saying ! Then again, it appears this is a request for 'travel purposes' only ... so not much point in 'visiting yourself' (Thats the thing about travel , no matter where you go ..... you just cant seem to get away from yourself .)

Okay, I take it all back DO look it up on google ! Google Earth that is . Would you like to visit Chatham is ? use the buttons on bottom right to fly around ; https://www.google.com/maps/@-43.8656188,-176.6200464,6172a,35y,90h,38.26t/data=!3m1!1e3

Ahhh .... the easiest method .... I think most of us know about looking up stuff on google here ..... we 'talk about stuff' .

Yes. Whatever is most comfortable. I liked doing it in bed before I went to sleep. However, it may not be JUST practice, it might be that some have a propensity to this type of thing and others dont. It surprised me to find out that some find this ability rather fantastic. I use it to develop my martial arts; I would be in bed at night and then imagine I am standing out of bed on the floor ( to me this is easy, for others they need to spend time imagining their form outside and separate from themselves) and practising forms. Then I will go through the application of parts of the form with a partner and develop new ideas , possibilities and applications. Then I will apply them in training. people wanted to know where I learned it and teacher accused me of training in secret with another teacher. When I explained how I learnt it all , they all ...... and I ; " Dont you ever do that ? " Nope, I got the weirdest looks ! Another practice is to imagine yourself next to your body and observing your body, now your body is to yourself's left , then move around the other side, now its to your right, etc. (note the difference between the use of 'your self' and ' your body' ) Anyway, just practice that. after a while imagine you are further away from your body, in another location, but a familiar one . A good thing about this practice is it is not just a step along the way, it also brings benefit by itself .

Killing 99.5% of the men is a bit harsh . We could just send them to Mars instead ... thats a blokey place . Meanwhile, down on Earth / Venus I be ..... takin' care of business

We have a 'Chinese baby' here. meaning, one baby and a whole heap of people. It used to be common to have a gang of kids here, sometimes more than one gang, in different ages. But not now. This kid has 2 parents, 4 grandparents about 4 surrogate grandparents and a bunch of 'dotter overs' . What a princess ! Just as well there is a kids playgroup nearby. ( Parents are a bit 'precious' too. Saying how hard it was to have a baby, I say, " What ? Just one ?" Or look all tired and worn out and; " Ohhhh , I am sooo tired, the baby kept me up wailing all night ! Me; " Serves you right for buying her a harpoon. " ) 'Chinese babies' end up having a childhood like Salvador Dali , if not careful . ( Dali was treated like an emperor in a mansion, waited on and pampered. The servants had to play along and treat him like the king. When it came time to go out into the real world at school, he could not understand why others didnt treat him the same way, leading to some rather strange antics on his part to gain attention. ) SO .... Nungal's sterilisation plan would not make 'Chinese babies' . There would be groups and extended families, but not all would be breeding. Also we could cut down on the number of men. Only a few are actually needed for maintaining a sensible population . . . I mean , a sensible level of population ...... no , I mean both A drone/s probably couldnt do the job

1. Imagine you are outside your body and doing something familiar to you .

Or ... an extract from one of my short stories : (note highlighted bit ) 'Hmmmm ... " The Prince pondered and looked out to the view and the village and valley below and the distant mountains. "Wise One, What is all this?" "What?" "All this," Prince Solomon swept his hand to take in the view. "Life." The Hermit answered placidly. "But what is it FOR, what is it all about?" "THAT is what it is for, that is why it exists, to ask that question. You have to work it out for yourself." "Hrumph! I'm not getting much wisdom here Wise One." "Well, thats up to you isnt it, I dont have much choice in the matter, I cant pander to your prejudices, I can only tell the truth. Actually I have no choice, I HAVE to tell the truth. That’s why I have to live up here and be so lonely, because I HAVE to tell the truth. Can you imagine what a curse that is?" Prince Solomon thought about that and looked out at the view. "Some say that life is a stage on which we are all players." "They do." replied The Hermit. Prince Solomon continued looking at the view as if in quiet meditation. He then turned and looked directly at The Hermit and asked, "Is that true?" The Hermit looked a little uncomfortable and started to move from his previously composed posture. He went to say something but hesitated. Then he slumped a bit and replied, "Yes." Prince Solomon looked at The Hermit in surprise and exclaimed, "So! It is true! Then life ... well then, if life is a play on a stage, it must also be a story?" The Hermit relaxed a bit and replied, "Oh yes, life is a story." "Yes but," Prince Solomon interrupted him, "not just metaphorically. I mean, if this conversation and this place is part of a story, that must mean that someone has written this story?" "Oh, I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself there Prince Solomon." Another thin fish swam past through the air. Prince Solomon made a grab for it but stopped. The fish scooted away on the air. Prince Solomon's stomach rumbled and he rubbed it as if he was hungry. He looked suspiciously at The Hermit, "But that wouldn't make much sense would it?" "No it wouldn't." replied The Hermit relieved. "Because the writer could just write in whatever he felt like, he could change the story as he went along ..." A fish, the same as the others but fat. swam past in the air. Prince Solomon grabbed it. "Aha! At last!" He put the fishes tail in his mouth and sucked it. The fish shrank. He stopped and looked at The Hermit and offered the fish to him, "Fish-sup?" The Hermit held up one hand and placed the other on his stomach and shook his head, "No, I've had my fill today thanks." Prince Solomon finished sucking the fish. Now it was as thin as the others were, he let it go and it swam off through the air. "Well, where was I now? Oh yes, if life IS a story, that would explain why, sometimes, life doesn’t seem to make much sense. The writer could just make things up as he goes along and change things at will and, well ... that would make life seem crazy and illogical." "Well, that is the conclusion a few people have come to, regardless." replied The Hermit. "But how would we know?" Prince Solomon asked. 'Pardon?" "I said," repeated prince Solomon, "How would we know? If things were crazy and different from the 'real' world - we are in this one and anything that happens, anything in the story would seem normal, so most people would never realise that it was some crazy story, they'd just shrug and say, 'that’s life' or 'life is inconsistent'. " "I think you are becoming a little confused." The Hermit replied. "But how would we know if we ourselves are different from how we should be? For example, what if the writer decided to give us ..." Prince Solomon lifted his shirt to show his chest and his three nipples to The Hermit. " ... only two nipples instead of the normal three?" " Well, I dont see what all this really has to do with ... " The Hermit muttered. "So the writer would also be writing for a reader, that's the whole point isn't it? ... Wait a minute! Someone is reading this story now, aren't they?" "Well, this is getting rather philosophical and I don't see ..." "You have to tell the truth!" prince Solomon interrupted him. The Hermit slumped in resignation and replied, " Yes, someone is reading the story now." Prince Solomon jumped up and looked around, "Aha! I knew it! Where are they?" The Hermit swept his arm wide, "All around, its hard to say, it depends on what the focus is." .......

Pfffft ! Next thing you be trying to convince me that crows never looked like this ;

" Dont believe the human eye in shadow or in shade the puppet show of sight and sense is the Devil's masquerade . "

Nooo . ... all the knowledge is not gone. A lot went to another 'Hermetic centre' at Harran via the 'Sabians ' before the main destruction at Alexandria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harran#Early_Islamic_Harran http://www.annine-pansophia.nl/annine_van_der_meer/wp-content/uploads/THE-HARRAN-OF-THE-SABIANS-IN-THE-FIRST-MILLENNIUM-ad-DEF.hermesharran3.pdf

An air born contraceptive virus .....

Oh no ..... us magicians dont have human teachers ! You would not get very far with human teachers . NO WAY you can learn stuff like that ' from books ' . It is a curious video title though .... 'entities' .... ?

That is similar to the teachings I received on the subject " " Yet, oh aspirant, let thy victories bring thee not Vanity, for with increase of Knowledge should come increase of Wisdom. He who knoweth little, thinketh he knoweth much; but he who knoweth much hath learned his own ignorance. Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? There is more hope of a fool, than of him. " In my experience, the more I learn and know, throws up even more questions about what I dont know ! " ... Carlo Cipolla ( 'The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity' ) defines stupidity as ; " A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses. " While an intelligent person finds solutions that cause gain to others AND themselves at the same time . Carlo warns us hiw dangerous stupid people are ; " It is not difficult to understand how social, political and institutional power enhances the damaging potential of a stupid person. But one still has to explain and understand what essentially it is that makes a stupid person dangerous to other people - in other words what constitutes the power of stupidity. " Essentially stupid people are dangerous and damaging because reasonable people find it difficult to imagine and understand unreasonable behaviour. An intelligent person may understand the logic of a bandit. The bandit's actions follow a pattern of rationality: nasty rationality, if you like, but still rationality. The bandit wants a plus on his account. Since he is not intelligent enough to devise ways of obtaining the plus as well as providing you with a plus, he will produce his plus by causing a minus to appear on your account. All this is bad, but it is rational and if you are rational you can predict it. You can foresee a bandit's actions, his nasty manoeuvres and ugly aspirations and often can build up your defenses. " http://harmful.cat-v.org/people/basic-laws-of-human-stupidity/ Hmmm . Perhaps that is the 'reversed' Fool .... not the better side of the energy. When not averse, I see the Fool as more than what the external world may see of him; He is Lao Tsu, at times : Khidr at others (in his 'trickster' role ) and most definitely, Nasrudin ! The Missed Appointment A philosopher made an appointment with Nasrudin to have a scholarly discussion. When the day came, the philosopher dropped by Nasrudin's house as planned. However, Nasrudin wasn't home. The philosopher angrily took his pencil out of his pocket, wrote "Asshole" on Nasrudin's door, and then left Nasrudin finally came home later and saw this. He quickly realized that he had missed his appointment, and he darted off to the philosopher's house. "Forgive my error," Nasrudin told the philosopher when he got there. "I totally forgot about our appointment today. But when I got home and saw that you had written your name on my door, I came here as fast as I could."

What ? You change it to Lao song already ! < looks closer > Oh! Thats a woman ... now I get it ; Lao song is the woman Lao LONG is the man ( makes sense ) ... what a nice couple of Lao's By the way ... BEWARE of stopping your motor cycle on a bridge with tyres in the higher running boards and feet on the lower bridge decking. A mate of mine did that , over balanced, over the side of the bridge and down to rocks below ... nasty stuff ! Although that one does have sides .... ours do not . They tend to get smashed off by logs during flooding . I like those old wooden plank bridges, when they get loose they are like a big clunky xylophone : you can jump from plank to plank and get a different noise from each one and play a tune, with accompanying frog chorus .