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that the only thing I shoot at They used to be behaving themselves around here , but now they started digging up plants, veggies, turning the pot plants over ... so But I use a badly made bamboo bow and thick blunt bamboo arrows , which, if I hit one, is usually going sideways by then Eventually scares them off though , or they get out of line by hiding behind a tree. or a bush . I have got better at a blind shot, going up over bushes and coming down where they are . They be behavin a lot better now ... here that is ... my neighbour is complaining that all of a sudden all these brush turkeys are coming to his place and digging up his garden "and they never did it before ! .... "

From my link above re http://www.theisticpsychology.org/books/w.vandusen/presence_spirits.htm and the parts about 'hallucinations of a good or bad order' " In my dialogues with patients I learned of two orders of experience, borrowing from the voices themselves, called the higher and the lower order. Lower order voices are as though one is dealing with drunken bums at a bar who like to tease and torment just for the fun of it. They will suggest lewd acts and then scold the patient for considering them. They find a weak point of conscience and work on it interminably. For instance one man heard voices teasing him for three years over a ten-cent debt he had already paid. They call the patient every conceivable name, suggest every lewd act, steal memories or ideas right out of consciousness, threaten death, and work on the patient's credibility in every way. For instance they will brag that they will produce some disaster on the morrow and then claim honor for one in the daily paper. They suggest foolish acts (such as: Raise your right hand in the air and stay that way) and tease if he does it and threaten him if he doesn't. The lower order can work for a long time to possess some part of the patient's body. Several worked on the ear and the patient seemed to grow deafer. One voice worked two years to capture a patient's eye which visibly went out of alignment. Many patients have heard loud and clear voices plotting their death for weeks on end, an apparently nerve-wracking experience. One patient saw a noose around his neck which tied to "I don't know what" while voices plotted his death by hanging. They threaten pain and can cause felt pain as a way of enforcing their power. The most devastating experience of all is to be shouted at constantly by dozens of voices. When this occurred the patient had to be sedated. The vocabulary and range of ideas of the lower order is limited, but they have a persistent will to destroy. They invade every nook and cranny of privacy, work on every weakness and credibility, claim awesome powers, lie, make promises and then undermine the patient's will. They never have a personal identity though they accept most names or identities given them. They either conceal or have no awareness of personal memories. Though they claim to be separate identities they will reveal no detail that might help to trace them as separate individuals. Their voice quality can change or shift, leaving the patient quite confused as to who might be speaking. When identified as some friend known to the patient they can assume this voice quality perfectly. For convenience many patients call them by nick-names, such as "Fred," The Doctor," or "The Old Timer." I've heard it said by the higher order that the purpose of the lower order is to illuminate all of the person's weaknesses. They do that admirably and with infinite patience. To make matters worse they hold out promises to patients and even give helpful sounding advice only to catch the patient in some weakness. Even with the patient's help I found the lower order difficult to relate to because of their disdain for me as well as the patient. " The limited vocabulary and range of ideas of the lower order is striking. A few ideas can be repeated endlessly. One voice just said "hey" for months while the patient tried to figure out what "hey" or "hay" was meant. Even when I was supposedly speaking to an engineer that a woman heard, the engineer was unable to do any more arithmetic than simple sums and multiplication the woman had memorized. The lower order seems incapable of sequential reasoning. Though they often claim to be in some distant city they cannot report more than the patient sees, hears, or remembers. They seem imprisoned in the lowest level of the patient's mind, giving no real evidence of a personal world or any higher order thinking or experiencing. " All of the lower order are irreligious or anti-religious. Some actively interfered with the patients' religious practices. Most considered them to be ordinary living people, though once they appeared as conventional devils and referred to themselves as demons. In a few instances they referred to themselves as from hell. Occasionally they would speak through the patient so that the patient's voice and speech would be directly those of the voices. Sometimes they acted through the patient. One of my female patients was found going out the hospital gate arguing loudly with her male voice that she didn't want to leave, but he was insisting. Like many, this particular hallucination claimed to be Jesus Christ, but his bragging and argumentativeness rather gave him away as of the lower order. Sometimes the lower order is embedded in physical concerns, such as a lady who was tormented by "experimenters" painfully treating her joints to prevent arthritis. She held out hope they were helping her, though it was apparent to any onlooker they had all but destroyed her life as a free and intelligent person. " In direct contrast stands the rarer higher order hallucinations. In quantity they make up perhaps a fifth or less of the patients' experiences. The contrast may be illustrated by the experience of one man. He had heard the lower order arguing a long while how they would murder him. He also had a light come to him at night like the sun. He knew it was a different order because the light respected his freedom and would withdraw if it frightened him. In contrast, the lower order worked against his will and would attack if it could see fear in him. This rarer higher order seldom speaks, whereas the lower order can talk endlessly. The higher order is much more likely to be symbolic, religious, supportive, genuinely instructive, and communicate directly with the inner feelings of the patient. I've learned to help the patient approach the higher order because of its great power to broaden the individual's values. When the man was encouraged to approach his friendly sun he entered a world of powerful numinous experiences, in some ways more frightening than the murderers who plotted his death. In one scene he found himself at the bottom of a long corridor with doors at the end behind which raged the powers of hell. He was about to let out these powers when a very powerful and impressive Christ-like figure appeared and by direct mind-to-mind communication counseled him to leave the doors closed and follow him into other experiences which were therapeutic to him. In another instance the higher order appeared to a man as a lovely woman who entertained him while showing him thousands of symbols. Though the patient was a high-school educated gas-pipe fitter, his female vision showed a knowledge of religion and myth far beyond the patient's comprehension. At the end of a very rich dialogue with her (the patient reporting her symbols and responses) the patient asked for just a clue as to what she and I were talking about. Another example is that of a Negro who gave up being useful and lived as a drunken thief. In his weeks of hallucinations the higher order carefully instructed him on the trials of all minority groups and left him with the feeling he would like to do something for minorities. " In general the higher order is richer than the patient's normal experience, respectful of his freedom, helpful, instructive, supportive, highly symbolic and religious. It looks most like Carl Jung's archetypes, whereas the lower order looks like Freud's id. In contrast to the lower order, it thinks in something like universal ideas in ways that are richer and more complex than the patient's own mode of thought. It can be very powerful emotionally and carry with it an almost inexpressible ring of truth. The higher order tends to enlarge a patient's values, something like a very wise and considerate instructor. Some patients experience both the higher and lower orders at various times and feel caught between a private heaven and hell. Many only know the attacks of the lower order. The higher order claims power over the lower order and indeed shows it at times, but not enough to give peace of mind to most patients. The higher order itself has indicated that the usefulness of the lower order is to illustrate and make conscious the patients' weaknesses and faults.

" Indeed ! Wouldst thou abuse the pure beings of the woods and mountains to fill thy coffers and satisfy thy hunger of Gold? Wouldst thou debase the Spirits of Living Fire to serve thy wrath and hatred? Wouldst thou violate the purity of the Souls of the Waters to pander to thy lust of debauchery? Wouldst thou force the Spirits of the Evening Breeze to minister to thy folly and caprice? Know that with such desires thou canst but attract the Weak, not the Strong, and in that case the Weak will have power over thee. "

Oh goodness ! We harm so many people and a myriad of beings around us without ever knowing it all the time ! Even the Jains do , they where masks to stop breathing in and killing little insects, little brooms to brush away the ground before they walk .. still they leave a trail of destruction behind them . I tend to ignore that. its better, I think to focus on preventing what we can prevent, and minimise what we are consciously aware of ;

Do the rite and scrape em off with a consecrated copper blade. They tend to congregate around the back of head and neck and down the spine . For THAT type. Also note the passage above about how these positive energies can be turned negative , ie. ; For wert thou to summon the Gnomes to pander to thine avarice, thou wouldst no longer command them, but they would command thee. Wouldst thou abuse the pure beings of the woods and mountains to fill thy coffers and satisfy thy hunger of Gold? Wouldst thou debase the Spirits of Living Fire to serve thy wrath and hatred? Wouldst thou violate the purity of the Souls of the Waters to pander to thy lust of debauchery? Wouldst thou force the Spirits of the Evening Breeze to minister to thy folly and caprice? Know that with such desires thou canst but attract the Weak, not the Strong, and in that case the Weak will have power over thee. also by keeping the forces in balance ( these quotes are from 'The Book of the Balance' aka 'How to develop the powers of your soul' GD initiatory document .). 1. Equilibrium is the basis of the Work. If thou thyself hast not a sure foundation, whereon wilt thou stand to direct the forces of Nature? 10. Worship and neglect not, the physical body which is thy temporary connection with the outer and material world. Therefore let thy mental Equilibrium be above disturbance by material events; strengthen and control the animal passions, discipline the emotions and the reason, nourish the Higher Aspiration 12. Remember that unbalanced force is evil; that unbalanced severity is but cruelty and oppression; but that also unbalanced mercy is but weakness which would allow and abet Evil. Act passionately; think rationally; be Thyself. Basically we can counteract their power by firstly being aware of these process, by understanding how they work and their dynamics and finally then by being able to transform them, and 'lift them up' as co-partners in our evolutions . Some of the very base primeval and raw energies might need other approaches . The altar of evocation contains the 'sweet and refreshing water' and the 'perfumes' ... on one side . But the sword, scourge, fire and 'box of punishmen't on the other . Again : 12. Remember that unbalanced force is evil; that unbalanced severity is but cruelty and oppression; but that also unbalanced mercy is but weakness which would allow and abet Evil.

The larvae and parasites mentioned are but one TYPE ... yes, like a bacteria. There are other types, the best way to deal with those are as one would do deal with a dog , a pet, stray or guard dog. Ummmm ... I will qualify that ... as one would deal with a dog ... that ONE being someone who understands how to deal with a dog . ( I had 'viscous' attack guard dog bull mastiff that I wasnt supposed to go near, rolling around on his back with tongue hanging out gettin a belly scratch , owner returned and 'What the hell have you done yo to my dog ! " )

"Really' ? Well, they are 'out there' , depending on what you really mean by really Or what you consider 'reality' here ya go ; http://www.harpur.org/PJCHdaimonicreality.htm Errrmmm .... 'interfering' ... maybe , perhaps even 'helping' ? Depends on the type of being ..... bad croca ! Good dog ! http://www.harpur.org/PJCHdaimonicreality.htm https://www.searchwithin.org/download/presence_spirits.pdf Be careful what you open, now ! If 'inadvertent' , it seems easy. If conscious, NOT that easy. Either way, getting control of it ... not that easy . After a lot of study and practice , simple as riding a bike ( that is if you already know how to ride one ) The ones related to intelligence are. Yes, but in a range specific to them. Its a huge subject and I have a lot of experience , sometimes, daily, so what do I write about ? probably better if you ask specific questions about what you want to know . For the moment, I will leave you with some practical advice; 6. Be not hasty to condemn others; how knowest thou that in their place, thou couldest have resisted the temptation? And even were it so, why shouldst thou despise one who is weaker than thyself? 7. Thou therefore who desirest Magical Gifts, be sure that thy soul is firm and steadfast; for it is by flattering thy weaknesses that the Weak Ones will gain power over thee. Humble thyself before thy Self, yet fear neither man not spirit. Fear is failure, and the forerunner of failure: and courage is the beginning of virtue. 8. Therefore fear not the Spirits, but be firm and courteous with them; for thou hast no right to despise or revile them; and this too may lead thee astray. Command and banish them, curse them by the Great Names if need be; but neither mock nor revile them, for so assuredly wilt thou be lead into error. ... 16. To obtain Magical Power, learn to control thought; admit only those ideas that are in harmony with the end desired, and not every stray and contradictory Idea that presents itself. 17. Fixed thought is a means to an end. Therefore pay attention to the power of silent thought and meditation. The material act is but the outward expression of thy thought, and therefore hath it been said that “the thought of foolishness is sin.” Thought is the commencement of action, and if a chance thought can produce much effect, what cannot fixed thought do? ... 19. Be thou therefore prompt and active as the Sylphs, but avoid frivolity and caprice; be energetic and strong like the Salamanders, but avoid irritability and ferocity; be flexible and attentive to images like the Undines, but avoid idleness and changeability; be laborious and patient like the Gnomes, but avoid grossness and avarice. 20. So shalt thou gradually develop the powers of thy soul, and fit thyself to command the Spirits of the elements. For wert thou to summon the Gnomes to pander to thine avarice, thou wouldst no longer command them, but they would command thee. Wouldst thou abuse the pure beings of the woods and mountains to fill thy coffers and satisfy thy hunger of Gold? Wouldst thou debase the Spirits of Living Fire to serve thy wrath and hatred? Wouldst thou violate the purity of the Souls of the Waters to pander to thy lust of debauchery? Wouldst thou force the Spirits of the Evening Breeze to minister to thy folly and caprice? Know that with such desires thou canst but attract the Weak, not the Strong, and in that case the Weak will have power over thee.

A few years back they dug up the biggest hoard of mummies yet found, with all sorts of interesting stuff included. I saw a doco on it and they asked the discoverer how he knew where to dig . he pulled out a map. on the map where heaps of red dots, areas that had been dug, but heaps more of the map without any red. He said ' I just dug up one of those many places that have not been dug up yet' . Who knows what is under the sand .

'Float copper' http://www.geo.mtu.edu/KeweenawGeoheritage/CalumetGeosites/Float_Copper.html

And that power source was generated by solar electricity .... ... see ... solar panes !

After I watched that vid and the 'next play selection' came up, there was one with Kurt Vonnegut being a fan I watched. Iliked the end so much I posted it in the what you watch on youtube forum , I will put it here again so you see can see the end .... in relation to your above comment . @14:10

Great, thanks for that. But what happened to the end of the vid ? It just ended mid sentence ? I wanna see the rest . I also find it interesting as it is a similar theme to my Anthro thesis ; not about Empire as such but about culture and societies . All cultures and societies, regardless of what time they existed and where seem to go through certain dynamics and these dynamics can be seen as stages that indicate whether the culture is stable and beneficial , 'good' . working, or in decline, unhealthy and about to end. A healthy culture is one that allows its people to feel good, understand and comprehend what is going on the world around them and to preserve that world and system for their continence. A culture in crisis goes through the same stages, regardless of time and location of the culture. In brief summary the stages of breakdown includes; the breakdown of family ties, abuse of children and elders/elderly, not caring for sacred sites / vandalising of public utilities, substance abuse, resource abuse and mismanagement, feelings of confusion and pointlessness ( that is, the socio-cultural system no longer supplies valid reasons for existence and individual purpose, or it has become confused and unknown ), 'depression' ( the natural joy of life dissipates ), self harm and finally suicide . There are also certain factors and occurrences that bring these stages about. We know about that, so, theoretically we should be able to reverse these trends .... in some cultures . This has been the case with some very devastated groups, at the near end of their cultural demise , in Australia . Many have vanished - too late . It is only now that some have begun to understand that a revitalisation of a culture, in concert with a new valid expression of the dominant paradigm, or new changing or introduced circumstances can revitalise, heal and crreate a new continuance of cultural variation. Eg, The Kiadilt people where in terminal phase many ears ago, their rate if self harm and suicide was tragic. The healing and remedies where gradually introduced. Now their numbers are increasing, they have some of their land back, they have been shown how simple adaptions of their own culture leads to a new reverence ( eg, people being trained as National Park and Wildlife Service officers, travel guides, environmental workers, fire management teachers, cultural adn language teachers, opened to the internation arts market, where they can make a good income - that is others and themselves have begun again to see their worth. But Empires ? They are such huge 'behemoths' that I dont think these cultural remedies apply there they rise and decline and end and new ones start. Occasionally, historically, we see a revamp, but that is unusual . But in both cases ; looking at the indicators of socio-cultural decline and imminent disaster AND the patterns for Empires falling and those indicators ....... we had it !

Thats right Mooney, and it is refreshing to read. The wall paintings inside pyramids did not occur until later, Old Kingdom pyramids where not painted inside . I think the first one, to use this idea, was the Pyramid of Unas. The reason I found your comment refreshing is ; all over the internet are idiot pyramid 'experts' 'proving' the GP was not a tomb by citing their recently discovered revelation that ... wait for it ..... the Great Pyramid has no internal wall paintings or script !

Playing with acoustics in Kings Chamber

combo coconut and 'earth oven' flavoured crab with 'salad' ( Man ! Do I miss Polynesian food ! )

I could be mistaken but I think you are the only person here that thinks like that ... or at least, expressed it that way . I sparked up when I read that, I often write stuff like that myself and try to explain it to people when the question of belief arises, but I usually get no response or a strange look. Yes ! Belief should be part of one's 'tool kit'. Like the mind should be . One's beliefs can change due to trauma - like a blow to the head, so what does that say about any 'objective reality' for our beliefs. I studied some Comparative religion at Uni and the first units where about belief and the nature of belief, the lecturer made its dynamics pretty clear, but really, only me and two others in a class of around 35 got it . The lecturer said that was normal. Oh yes, every one ELSE had beliefs but their own beliefs ( a lot of them where Christian and doing the course as a preliminary to seminary studies .) where fact, revelation, or divinely inspired ... and they could not understand why the others thought that was funny. I tried to explain it recently to someone ; I have a set of beliefs about what happens when I die ; I believe ... this or that belief ...and it has changed over the course of my life. But if someone asks me what do I think will actually happen when I die ................ dunno . That just seems to confuse most people . Gee ! One day, people might start realising the same thing about their emotions. We need to see our tools as tools and not our identity or let them loose place in the hierarchical structure of our being - and this of course implies that something is 'the king' of all these forces 'that are not us' :ie. the seat of identity or what should be regulating our whole 'internal orchestra' ;. The body is our tool , most get that. The , mind is usually given the place of 'Master Controller', but it should not be, it is third in hierarchy. I already mentioned, the emotions, another tool. As we rise up the internal hierarchy of forces they become more subtle, harder to control and more difficult to realise as 'tools' (as ; where does identity lie, if not in the body, the mind or the emotions ? ) . Then we get to the level of 'spirit' , one's essential nature, whatever we bring with us into life, including our genetic coding . Now it starts getting more complex, so I will leave it there. In Exo-psychology the 'master controller' is in circuit 7 - the neuro - electric circuit. In magick, it is symbolised by the magician wearing his crown, with wand and sword ( master and king of the forces in himself and of evocation and invocation). But talk about these concepts to most, and you loose them . A note on 'worship' ; you can use worship in the same way as belief ; it can supply a need ( perhaps its two way ? ) to those parts of the self that thrive on it. Its one of the main 'paths' ; Gnana-Yoga. Union by Knowledge. Raja-Yoga. Union by Will. Bhakta-Yoga. Union by Love. Hatha-Yoga. Union by Courage. add Mantra-Yoga. Union through Speech. Karma-Yoga. Union through Work. The Holy Qabalah. Union by Knowledge. The Sacred Magic. Union by Will. The Acts of Worship. Union by Love. The Ordeals. Union by Courage. add The Invocations. Union by Speech. The Acts of Service. Union through Work. ( and their negative manifestation ; If this idea be any but the Supreme and Perfect idea, and the student lose control, the result is insanity, obsession, fanaticism, paralysis and death addiction to gossip incurable idleness. - 'Postcards to Probationers'. ) I have found it very beneficent , if understood, but risky ..... like love and relationship, one needs to commit and feel it and dissolve , then one can feel wonderful and get all sorts of energy and benefit, but one can 'fall' into it, loose control somewhat ... get 'sucked in', then one's magical ritual of worship can become 'religion'. LIke how the Hare Krishna's practice 'Bhakti Yoga' but are totally tied up into 'religion' . You have to 'give' but not too much so you dont 'fall' but you cant really get full benefit UNLESS you fall . Tricky . Crowley said it was the MOST dangerous path of magick ( due to similar reasons to the above ) As a form of magic, I have found that it works REALLY well . On that note and the use of worship in (higher) Magick , Liber Astarte has some great observations in it ; " This is the Book of Uniting Himself to a particular Deity by devotion. .... .https://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib175.htm

The Supreme Realm and 'dark forum area ' have the same kabalistic values

That was rather .... ' obscure ' .

Damn it ! try again ...

INTERFACE ( I was watching this as part of my Central Asia and ancient empires studies . I know little about Chinese history, though. The Buddhist history in this area is fascinating.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwuFavM9jWY

Cool! If you watch the 3d rotating version in the vid in the link, as it turns, the middle bit looks like a vortex . At around 0:05 it looks like a sea shell .

And I need to be ever mindful of Mercury . Why? Lets let ths guy explain it ... I like this guy @ 1:35