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.... ah nuts ! My map didnt show ^ . ... that far right dark blue bit ...^

Equatorial ! Now that would be different . I am in a sub-tropical area , but fairly 'temperate' . - just far enough north for mangoes , pineapples and bamboo .

Somewhere warm ... thats a BIG start. I would recommend a 'blend' - I still like my morning computer and late night TV . But I have arranged my 'hobbit hole' so all that stuff is less obvious . Hang a painting over tv when not in use. Electrics are all stashed in a converted old desk . They idea was to make the place SEEM old school ( 'mid-century' they call it now , and its become fashionable ) but still have some hidden mod cons. Or, you could just go camping for a bit . In any case, there is another side to that gold coin .... you might have to harden up a bit . Where I live, peeps move in amazed at its beauty and 'easy' life style , yet many leave soon when the weather and bugs intensify . A bit of heavy rain puts them off. Or 60 miniature tics burrowing into your skin at once .... or 40 deg C heat . You need to have your wits, resources and skills ... and be a bit 'hard' but rewards are good . Unfortunately its harder nowadays, things are not as 'free' as they used to be. I cant recommend a place though as I doubt you would travel here.

Indeed, well put . Over the years, when I floated my theories (or tried to float the theories of other writers that I was attracted to ), such feedback , analysis or information, if it checked out. would be incorporated into the developing picture, and often change it completely. But I think we know this thread is trying to reach a certain conclusion , a central idea or premise - I just haven't seen what it is yet . I know Michael said it was to show how his 'inner knowledge' was correct , but I think it has to be more than that . ? Thats a bit more than min distance to cross into Australia " Our analysis using new high-resolution mapping of the seafloor shows that when sea levels were 75m or lower than present, a string of more than 100 habitable, resource-rich islands were present off the coast of northwest Australia. These islands were directly visible from high points on the islands of Timor and Roti and as close as 87km. " YET " In a study published in Quaternary Science Reviews this week, we use new environmental reconstructions, voyage simulations, and genetic population estimates to show for the first time that colonisation of Australia by 50,000 years ago was achieved by a globally significant phase of purposeful and coordinated marine voyaging. " The shorter distance is the ice age max and lowest sea level . people came into Australia long before that so that the distance would have been greater across the sea . Also note the research cites ; " a globally significant phase of purposeful and coordinated marine voyaging. " - globally significant ! This phase of marine voyaging was a common trait of peoples back then, so anyone showing evidence of that isnt really more advanced for its time, compared to others . Regarding obsidian moving overland , here the equivalent would be ochre, here it has been tracked from SW Australia right up to the 'Top End ' - 1000s of km . Also similar journeys for pearl shell Well, here is the thing ; (so far) no mention of such has been bought forward. There is suggestion of a people with advanced technology or knowledge, further advanced than the rest of the people. And their influence on the others caused an advancement in their society. ( I think that is what the idea is ... ? ) But where did they get their knowledge? isnt that a type of 'turtle stacking' ? Especially when we can observe , generally, a development of tech and knowledge in societies.

Well, I am into forming a jigsaw puzzle. The picture I am starting to see is looking like ancient pre-catastrophic Cadiz. We got a Nat Geo docos on it , pros on the case, interesting scans, a reasonable background story, and a more archaeologicl correct time line ( according to Georgeos Díaz-Montexano, ... President Emeritus of the Scientific Atlantology International Society (SAIS), Historical-Scientific and Historical-Scientific Atlantology Adviser for National Geographic Channel ) That's not poo-pooing , its just ..... ...... ummmm ..... looking at less poo-poo

Where is your garden Limi ? What type of climate and location ?

Long man PAI ... not long man pay

Well, we know people started 'seafaring' LOOOONG ago ..... maybe before 60,000 ya (peeps got to Australia somehow ! ) But what does 'advanced seafaring ' mean ? Does it mean taking some obsidian with you ? And how does finding 'small amounts of obsidian ' equate to evidence of an advanced prehistoric society ?

Oh yum - dragon fruit macaroons !

What happened to those dogs ... the bun looks pale and soft, the dog looks pale and soft and squishy ... even the mustard looks pale ! Aussie equivalent is the Bunnings sossy sanga Mhe .... that doesnt look to good . I'll wrap it in paper and string so it looks like a 'boutique' sossy sanga ... WOW ! ... to be washed down with ; then you be happy ... now. back to gardening ! Its been raining a lot. thats good, ( some mega thunder and lightning yesterday ) I have a HUGE bed of coriander coming up . Just harvested all the French shallots and got about 3 dragon fruits coming along - dark red ones

http://www.egyptianmyths.net/heart.htm

Yep, that's the 'problem' . No one in my 40 years of looking at the subject can present a scenario without a little fudging, or concentrating or even insisting on focusing on part of Plato's information, while choosing to ignore or be flexible with other parts . Also, over 40 years of looking into the Atlantis subject and a similar time studying Cultural Anthropology ( across all times and locations ) I haven't been able to find a match with any group or society or civilisation that fulfils ALL of Plato's descriptions. And of course , people tend to pick and choose , focus on or reject those descriptions depending on whether they support or undermine their ides / beliefs. Also it is clear that it it was in the Bronze age ( again, I state that this is all confused as modern ideas about Atlantis ; generated by Donellelly and picked up by Theosophists and the like seem to be fuelling interpretations - even though it is claimed to be relying on Plato : " Once Plato’s texts are read thoroughly, (if he is considered as a main source), it cannot be maintained that “Atlantis disappeared 12.000 years ago”, because that is not what Plato conveys through the notes that his penta-grandaunt (Solon) brought from Egypt. Such statement would be absurd. Atlanteans could not have started their military expansion, conquering and colonizing other countries, at the same time as the beginning of their history, that is, 9.000 years before Solon (almost twelve thousand years ago) because they didn’t even know how to navigate and they didn’t have vessels then. Consequently, it is impossible that Atlantis, with its maritime civilization that was not even born yet, could have disappeared at the same time as Poseidon received the island and fell in love with Cleito. That is, it is impossible that Atlantis disappeared just at the same time as the history of Atlantis begun. The appropriate reading of the Timaeus and The Critias makes clear that the end of Atlantis as well as their colonizing expansion should happen “long time” (πολλῷ χρόνῳ) afterwards, (we may think about thousands of years later), judging by all the details given about the evolution of Atlantis civilization, from its origin (9.000 years before Solon ,between 11.580 and 11.560 years ago, when they did not have any vessel and they did not have navigation skills) to the period when they reached their highest level, similar to the level of civilization during Metal Age (Chalcolithic or Bronze). So we can place their military and colonizing expansion towards the end of 3.500 BC, at the earliest, and the end of their civilization (with Atlantis sinking) between 2.700 and 1.700 BC, when it is estimated that the same cataclysm as the one that destroyed the primitive Athens occurred (apparently it also destroyed Atlantis), according to the different classical sources.It was the third one, as indicated in the Critias 112b, where more specific information is provided, as it is said it happened right before the disaster that occurred in Deucalion times." http://atlantisng.com/blog/correct-chronology-of-atlantis-when-did-atlantis-appear-and-when-did-it-disappear/ Cadiz still the best candidate ! ( But it doesn't fit with SOME of Plato's criteria so it was fobbed off . ..... not that a whole lot of other stuff, including history, and archaeology, common sense and a sensible time line wasn't fobbed off )

Wait ! I have figured it out ! They where the Pishdadians !

Well, if you don;t like it, stop going to that club

Can I have one of those mangoes ?

Down here we call them 'boat people' . 2 years ago I could tell you what is happening to them. Not now. The Government has made any boat illegally approaching, how it was intercepted, what happened to it and the people on it a ' national security ' secret . I shouldn't even be posting that statement . telling people that is a ' national security secret ' as well . ... so, if you don't hear from me any more ..... ....

Meh ... thats the artificial way I have some that do it naturally ... they 'walk' across the forest floor, spreading gardens Neomarica northiana The leaf that the flower comes out of gets longer Several flowers will fold out and then a bunch of green leaves, like a miniature plant . The longer supporting leaf keeps growing up until it gets heavy with growth and starts to bend down, (and if not in a pot) touching the ground up to half a meter away, putting out roots and starting a new plant, which will do the same and take another 'step' . Eventually you have a big patch , some mornings I have had over 60 flowers out around the cabin, spectacular when they bloom along with the sugar frosted coral bromeliads ( Billbergia pyramidalis)

Not sure what you mean . " Thats the Sea people' .... the 'that' that I am talking about is the Late Bronze Age collapse. The Sea People where the displaced "'Med Migrants / refugees' . Dr Cline points out a variety of things happening at the time .... 'perfect storm' . And now, when I go to that link it only opens an intro for me too ... ? Strange . I will have a fiddle . ... I just, re entered that site via google search again and only got the intro this time ? But then I clicked around a bit and now the whole article is there ... curious ! Anyway, I will see if I can lift it Here ya go - Sometime after 1200 BCE, civilization collapsed, and a dark age prevailed. The Late Bronze Age collapse of societies throughout the Levant, the Near East and the Mediterranean some 3,200 years ago has been a mystery. Powerful, advanced civilizations disappeared, seemingly overnight. Now an archaeologist believes he has figured out what lay behind the cataclysm. The trigger seems to have been the invasion of ancient Egypt in 1177 BCE by marauding peoples known simply as the “Sea Peoples,” as recorded in the Medinet Habu wall relief at Ramses III' tomb. The relief depicts a sea battle (and also carts full of supplies, women and children, something that always puzzled researchers. Why would the women and children have been at a sea battle, and why were there chariots? Did they bring them on ships as well?) The foreigners were depicted wearing distinct head gear. The narrative states that Ramses III’s army and navy managed to defeat them, but Egypt was never the same. It slid into a decline – and so did its neighbors. This collapse was apparently very sudden: a line of advanced and powerful cultures collapsed like a row of dominoes, says Eric Cline, professor of classics and anthropology and Director of the Capitol Archaeological Institute at George Washington University. Down into chaos went the Egyptians and the Babylonians. The Aegean civilizations of the Minoans and the Mycenians descended into a Dark Age. Peoples who had an advanced writing system, seemed to have forgotten it. In fact some scholars suggest that the events described in the Iliad, such as the destruction of Troy and the Odyssey pertain to this period. Hattusa, the capital of the Hittite Empire in the late Bronze Age (found south of the Black Sea, in modern Turkey) and its surrounding towns were burned to the ground and abandoned. Gone were monumental architecture, writing systems, pottery types and familiar settlement patterns. A desperate letter: The enemy is here Archaeologists find all sorts of destruction events attributed to this time. Almost every Anatolian site from that era shows signs of violence and abandonment. Ugarit, a port city in ancient Syria that traded with the Hittites and with Egypt, was famously destroyed. In a letter, Hammurabi, the last king of Ugarit, beseeching the king of Alashia (in Cyprus) for help, writes: “My father, behold, the enemy's ships came (here); my cities(?) were burned, and they did evil things in my country. Does not my father know that all my troops and chariots(?) are in the Land of Hatti, and all my ships are in the Land of Lukka?...Thus, the country is abandoned to itself. May my father know it: the seven ships of the enemy that came here inflicted much damage upon us.” Almost all the main coastal sites of Canaan, including Gaza, Ashkelon and Ashdod, Akko and Jaffa, were leveled. Inland sites such as the palace at Megiddo were burnt to the ground. The impressive ancient cities of Hazor and Lachish were completely destroyed and left abandoned. “The thriving economy and cultures of the late second millennium BCE, which had stretched from Greece to Egypt and Mesopotamia, suddenly ceased to exist, long-used trade routes were abandoned, along with writing systems, advanced technology, and monumental architecture,” writes Cline in his best-selling book, "1177 B.C., The Year Civilization Collapsed." The 'storm' hits: Climate change A common element of the imploding civilizations in the second millennium BCE is that they were all interconnected. "They interacted with each other, had trade and diplomatic contacts, arranged royal marriages, international embassies, economic embargoes, and so on," Cline says. "One of the ties between them was the need for both copper and tin, in order to make bronze, which was the primary metal of the era. Most of the copper came from Cyprus; most of the tin came from Afghanistan, as did lapis lazuli. Gold came from Egypt. Both raw materials and finished goods were sold, as well as exchanged at the royal level.” No question, the raids of the “Sea Peoples” were a menace. But a collapse of such magnitude could not have come about due to them alone, or to any single development, Cline argues: it could only have been due to a “perfect storm” of events. Recent high-resolution pollen analysis of a core taken from the Sea of Galilee, by Dafna Langgut and Israel Finkelstein of Tel Aviv University and Thomas Litt of the University of Bonn, has irrefutably shown that the years between 1250 BCE- 1100 BCE were the driest seen throughout the Bronze and Iron Ages. This corroborates with the information from clay tablets found in Afek in Israel, Hattusa in Turkey, Emar in Mesopotamia, and Ugarit in Syria, that record a terrible drought, and the resulting difficulties attributed to it. “There is evidence in the archaeological record of climatic changes such as climate change, drought (resulting in famine), earthquakes, invasions and internal rebellions at this time. Normally if a culture is faced with just one of these tragedies, it can survive it, but what if they all happened at once, or in quick succession?” asks Cline. “It seems that this is what happened between about 1225 BCE and 1175 BCE, and I think that the Late Bronze Age civilizations were simply unable to weather the 'perfect storm' and came crashing down.” If it happened once The world of the Mediterranean and the ancient Near East during the Late Bronze Age was obviously not nearly the size of our interconnected world today. "However, they were as interconnected in their own way as we are today, and they were as dependent upon copper and tin to make bronze as we are dependent upon oil for our automobiles,” Cline says. He for one sees a clear warning in these events that happened thousands of years ago. Now as then, the world seems to be standing on a precipice. “I would argue that the civilizations of the Mediterranean and the ancient Near East were so interconnected ... that when one collapsed, it affected the others, so that one by one they fell, like a chain of dominoes," he says. "The fact that similarly-intertwined civilizations collapsed just after 1200 BCE should be a warning to us; if it happened once, it can happen again. Even with all of our technological advancements, we are not immune," Cline says. In any case, don't blame the “Sea People”. They were also victims, obviously fleeing something; looking for a better home where they could survive. They are more of a symptom than the cause of the collapse, says Cline. If anything perhaps we should identify with them. “We are currently facing the very same type of situation that they faced back in 1177 BCE -- climate change, famines, droughts, rebellions, earthquakes. The only thing missing from today's scenario are the Sea People -- the mysterious invaders from overseas," he says. Not convinced? Look at the region. The Greek economy is in shambles and has been for a while now, Cline points out. Internal rebellions have shaken Libya, Syria, and Egypt, with outsiders and foreign warriors fanning the flames, and Turkey and Israel are terrified of becoming involved. "Jordan is overcrowded with refugees. Iran is bellicose and threatening, while Iraq is in turmoil The same descriptions fit the situation in 1177 BC,” Cline points out. And next door is the failed state of Somalia, some of whose sons took to the seas themselves, as pirates. Maybe, Cline suggests, ISIS are a sort of latter-day Sea People, bursting into the void created as the world collapses around them, causing mass migrations of large groups that destabilize the lands to which they flee. In short, modern man, be not proud. "Every society in the history of the world has ultimately collapsed," Cline points out. "We should be thankful that we are advanced enough to understand what is happening and to take steps to fix things, rather than simply passively accepting things as they occur.” (my emphasis)

Here is another dynamic that might suggest that some people living in the past AFTER THE EVENT might have memories / developed stories about a better, more advanced time before them . " Down into chaos went the Egyptians and the Babylonians. The Aegean civilizations of the Minoans and the Mycenians descended into a Dark Age. Peoples who had an advanced writing system, seemed to have forgotten it. In fact some scholars suggest that the events described in the Iliad, such as the destruction of Troy and the Odyssey pertain to this period. Hattusa, the capital of the Hittite Empire in the late Bronze Age (found south of the Black Sea, in modern Turkey) and its surrounding towns were burned to the ground and abandoned. Gone were monumental architecture, writing systems, pottery types and familiar settlement patterns." https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium-1177-bce-the-year-civilization-was-destroyed-1.5350507 - I have had some VERY interesting on line conversations with Dr Cline . /

Interesting ! here is a summary of his book ; https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12196 Population replacements sometimes happen at various times and places ; Spanish Men Were Completely Wiped Out By The Arrival Of A New Tribe 4,000 Years Ago https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/spanish-men-were-completely-wiped-out-by-the-arrival-of-a-new-tribe-4000-years-ago/

Danger 5 is back on TV

... those Goddamn Ice Atlanteans !

Yup. Thats a main point a lot of people miss. The bigger the block of stone the less cutting required . Put the blocks on rails and rollers and the number of men needed to move it is greatly reduced. Also waste and 'chippings are reduced in a big block, and if it breaks, just trim it to make two or three smaller ones. Still, I do find it at the limits of my comprehension ; Note marks from cutting through the rock with stone pounders