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A basic Boy Scout lesson ..... DO NOT open a bulging tin ... and especially DO NOT eat what was in that tin !

The traditional method is by gutting and beheading a Greenland or sleeper shark ( The meat of the Greenland shark is poisonous when fresh, due to a high content of urea and trimethylamine oxide, but may be consumed after being processed) and placing it in a shallow hole dug in gravelly sand, with the now cleaned cavity resting on a small mound of sand. The shark is then covered with sand and gravel, and stones are placed on top of the sand in order to press the shark. In this way the fluids are pressed out of the body. The shark ferments in this fashion for 6–12 weeks depending on the season. Following this curing period, the shark is then cut into strips and hung to dry for several months. During this drying period a brown crust will develop, which is removed prior to cutting the shark into small pieces and serving. Archaeologist Neil Oliver tasted it in the BBC documentary Vikings as part of examining the Viking diet. He described it as reminiscent of "blue cheese but a hundred times stronger". Chef Ainsley Harriott, during his series Ainsley Eats the Streets, was unable to handle the heavy ammonia taste and described it as "like chewing a urine-infested mattress". It doesnt LOOK as bad as an old urine soaked mattress . I guess ya gotta smell and taste it as well as look at , to get the full effect

What ? By electrocuting them ?

How to open the can @ 7:30

Oh ... you dont like those ? Perhaps rather, you are a surstromming man ?

.... but there could be a problem with that ....

Okay. I shall restrict myself to Plato's descriptions of Atlantis and how that somehow fits in with the last / end of ice age . I got my ' modifying equipment ' on standby (and you also have Apech here to keep in me 'in line' ) ;

They are not the things I was referring to though. Every culture has such mythology in its origins . I am talking about the interpretations more modern people put on those old ideas . I will give a local example of what I mean here ; I hope it explains what I am trying to get across. One way of interpreting some archaeological evidence in Australia is that at a certain time their culture and some simple technologies changed , rather rapidly and is considered that a new people came into Australia. They bought some food processing tricks and some new stone point technology. But no great advanced technology that might surface later. Much later after this, the SE sector of Australia and part of the interior became landscaped, 'farmed' , irrigated , small villages and aquaculture developed. THIS wasnt due to any new arrivals but an internal development interfacing with that specific environment. Early settler and explorer accounts often postulate it was done by animals, or earlier unknown settlers from elsewhere. In many places we have evidence of new peoples arriving and bringing new cultural processes , but not super advanced technologies as proposed by 'Atlantean theorists'. A lot of this was happening within the cultures of ' Old Europe' , but they didnt bring super advanced technologies like the 'Atlantians' where supposed to have . Now, in Egypt, yes there is a marked acceleration in stone technology and urban development at a certain period, and it IS curious, but that is a whole big subject alone , and it takes some time and research to start to understand all the influences and dynamics involved . There are heaps more. But obviously there is a LOT we dont understand . One example that comes to mind is a preserved bog mummy found. After much examination they found that this man had travelled 1000s of miles, knew how to survive alone, hunt and forage, make weapons including stone arrow and spear heads, make textile and leather clothing and he had a copper hatchet that he mined the ore of, smelted and cast ... all himself . Now the scientists in question could not replicate his copper axe , not the way he made it ; it was either too soft to cut, or if hard enough, to brittle and broke easily. Its a question of technological TECHNIQUE rather than 'super technology' . We certainly have lost a LOT of technique , especially those that are time consuming .. nowadays we conceive of time as different and a different importance to back then .... like we do walking as form of transport . Lets look at both then ... when it arises. Yes, but is this really some type of advanced Atlantean culture with super new technologies that bought great change ? It was an advance in primitive stone tool making . I dont see any relevant comparison and such things are being thrown up and around all over the place with no logical linking together ... they are just undefined suggestions. Unless you are going to link it all together somehow ? See ! You did it again ... just threw in " the Atlantean art style " in a perfectly reasonable observation about early culture . What Atlantean art style was it after it became integrated ? I meant a picture with a horse with a bridle or reigns ... did you not say there where pictures of that ? Yet you posted pics of horses with NO leads or bridles " Some of the cave paintings even show horses wearing harnesses, indicating that these animals were being tamed much earlier than the textbooks would have us believe. " These little things slip in all the way through .... most do not notice these little fudges (or mistakes) and just accept what is written as accurate, then more is built upon the inaccuracies . I doubt it , as that culture does not seem like Plato's OR Donnelly's Atlantis .... bit still VERY interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Europe_(archaeology)

Dont be a pussie .

I see there is some confusion, and that was why I was asking those questions . The subject matter seems to shift and sway between looking at Plato's Atlantis and the possibility that, although he admits it is a story and allegory (and most scholars admit he was actually writing about Athens itself and trying to show a masked example , etc etc . ) his story might have been based on elements that had some reality. Maybe there WAS an ancient civilisation and maybe it was near Cadiz ... or ..... ? Sort of attached to this is the idea of older CULTURES that we only have hints about, these are NOT civilisations with advanced technology, etc . but may have more advanced culture that is passed on. There are indications of CULTURES that lived up near the Arctic Circle and some have connected them with the earliest and oldest CULTURAL CONCEPTS in the Rig Veda ONE reference to that is 'Vedic Home in the Arctic ' ... and I even warned you it would be wacky, illogical and 'Indian' . The other idea is Donnelian Atlantis which has nothing to do with Plato but is a post Victorian invention fuelled by old school Biblical studies undeveloped science and ideas of cultural or racial superiorities . If any readers dont understand or know of this , look up Ignatius Donelly in Wiki . Thats where all the stuff comes from (liek that stuff in the Donovan song, posted in this thread earlier. Your points and information often fluctuate all trough these three areas and go from one to another . So in one paragraph I might supply extra info for an idea and laugh at another idea.. I am still trying to detect where you are going with all this ... its a good idea to state a 'founding premise' at the outset . I was supposing we would get to that . There are more issues also, which might have been misinterpreted, I will try to clear them up afterwards . So, you prefer me medicated so I dont point out any flaws and inaccuracies or react to the woo-woo parts Ah hell ... why not ? So , you think Edgar Cayce saw the real Atlantis in visions do ya ? What a stupid load of ... < half a mo' .... jabs a shot of heroin into his arm ... > Oh yeah man .... thats cool man ... he was a cool dude ... I memmble mmmhhmmm blllbllb ... I too am a robot ... didnt you see that thread ? What is its object ? I thought it would be able to take it to another level... to dispel wrong info and point out suspect influences on one hand , and on the other to give links and leads to more realistic endeavours. I mean, I got 30years experience in chair and field in cultural anthropology , I studied as much as I could about ' alternative Atlantis ' since a teen. I have viewed soooo much material on it, And had many a debate (and followed up on any supporting info or BS offered ) from both sides . But that doesnt mean I will agree with and support any idea that arises . Anyway , we have to show off even more now, as there is a girl watching ... to continue , somewhat with a back peddle, but I think some issues need clearing up

Okay . then .. I just cant resist those blue eyes

An interesting observation . You might also notice that my responses depend on the information and ideas I am responding to. Yes, I do consider good ideas and will discuss them. however silly or 'loaded' ideas and comments and bad research and other 'things' will get a scornful response . Your mistake is thinking I was being 'kind' . Thus us something I find strange, but fully acknowledge most people operate by. When I agree with or help someone it is not because I am being kind If I disagree with someone or scorn their information / advice / ect . it is not because I am being cruel. { mate of mine ; " Try this curry I made, what do you think ?" " Its terrible . " ( whines ) 'Ohhh mate ! ... I thought you where my mate ? " " I am . " " But the curry ? " " Oh ... for God's sake ! Okay, the curry was very nice . " Thanks mate " - but by now , Sterny , you must know I am not like a 'normal human' ? Also, when questions where being answered and info was going back to and fro I was 'helpful'. But when people throw in things, dont answer the relevant questions put to them and over lay the lack of that with more of the same and then those issues generate questions and those are not answered either, it all starts to fall apart and , yes, scorn will come in. So, do we want to debate reasonably and get to conclusions by pooling our knowledge , or just play in yet another internet forum thread ? I would not normally bring all this up ... but since my 'scorn' has been noted ..... I realise that ... I have been waiting for further developments. However, in the meantime, some posts bought up other issues. I will always address those issues. . Wow. That is the nicest way of saying something that other people have been banned for ! " yeah buddy ! You come down to Oakland and me and my mates will show you a thing or two . " - remember that ? For goodness sakes ! Just because I post with a different opinion and put forward info on a subject I have been looking into for 40 years ! And relating to other subjects I have been studying equally as long, and studied at Uni . What questions or observations or information did I post to wrrent such a reaction from YOU, of all people . Is the subject SUCH a sacred cow to elicit such a reaction ? ( was it the Plato / Donelly question ? ) If so, maybe it should be in PP, an area I dont go to, due to this very reason. Lets have enough of all this and get back to reasonable responses . yes, let's do .... but later , sun is up , and there is work to do.

* reason keeping battery above 80% ; life time of 2,600 cycles. around 50% - 1,200 cycles letting battery discharge, then recharge - 700

I took the batteries off that order ( Chinese imports at $765, as I can get USA made 'Trojan', same size for $598 elsewhere ) I also removed the battery monitor, ($380 ) as basically it is a device for showing charge and adjusting cut off rates . The regulator does that anyway, at a set rate. I wanted to be able to adjust it to recharge after 80% drop . $30 meter can do that and I can then manually recharge, when it drops below 80% * . Took off one solar panel , as I realised they more powerful than I thought (I have option to add another one later if power goes low over winter). Now the bill is down to approx A$ Batteries 600 panel 240 Regulator 320 meter 30 Tilt / tracking mounts 220 (! nearly as much as solar panel ! ) cables 170 -------------- 1580 Adding the other panel, it still works out below 2 G. original quote was 12.5 G Other components - generator as back up for long periods of rain and to run washing machine, occasional use. Around $2000 - 2500 for a decent one. A high power battery charger to run from genny to batteries ( this cuts out an expensive built in controller and having to hard wire the genny into controller ) , got one at half price on special $220. Gas fridge $2200 . I will probably upgrade my inverter ( 240v to charge cordless tools ) another couple hundred. Picking up the goodies on Wednesday .

A British ship was floundering off the coast of Germany, they get on the radio . " Hello, hello, is anyone out there ! " " Hello, yes, this is the German Coast Guard ... what can we do for you ?" " Oh, thank God ... we are sinking ... we are sinking ! " " I see .... and what are you sinking about ?"

He is finally in jail . For many here, this a cause of celebration. It would have been so horrible if he had got away with it again. And frustration of that level may have triggered some long term victims suicide. Its a big issue, to big to go through now. I am just happy he is caught, disgraced, excommunicated and jailed. Its a giant blunder for the church and will make history ; the highest ranking member ever (so far) to be found guilty of child sex offences George Pell: cardinal found guilty of child sexual assault Vatican treasurer, the third most senior Catholic in the world, convicted on five charges in Australian court case • LATEST: Cardinal Pell set to go straight to jail as bail application withdrawn • Five times guilty: how Pell’s past caught up with him [ The thing is Australia had a superssion order on the findings, but the rest of the world was publishing it ... actually some stories cannot be accessed still ( " google cant find that article " ) ... ; ] Journalists accused of breaking suppression order may face jail https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/26/cardinal-george-pell-vatican-treasurer-found-guilty-of-child-sexual-assault And also someone who had been covering it up for the church Most senior Roman Catholic cleric to be convicted of covering up child sex abuse, sentenced to 12 months in jail New #2 ... also, what about his 'defense' ... his lawyer 'pleaded' to the court ; " Richter tried to argue there were “no aggravating circumstances” to one of the offences. It was “no more than a plain vanilla sexual penetration case where the child is not actively participating,” he told the court. 'plain vanilla penetration ' What the hell is THAT supposed to mean ! The chief judge, Peter Kidd, responded: “. Looking at your points here – so what?” Pell was taken to a maximum security facility where he will be kept in protective custody and remain alone for up to 23 hours a day. Looks like his days of callous indifference, hand waving away issues and clerical superiority complex and protection from the church are over.

Here he is Robert Richter Now, of course, the 'back peddle' ; “In seeking to mitigate sentence I used a wholly inappropriate phrase for which I apologise profusely to all who interpreted it in a way it was never intended: it was in no way meant to belittle or minimise the suffering and hurt of victims of sex abuse, and in retrospect I can see why it caused great offence to many,” he wrote in a statement. “I hope my apology is accepted as sincerely as it is meant and I will never repeat such carelessness in my choice of words which might offend.” “I accept that the media chose to report it because it sells but it was never intended for them,” Richter wrote. “In retrospect, I regret using a term well understood by lawyers and judges which is open to misinterpretation by those who do not understand the process of plea making after a conviction when the accused still maintains innocence; I was after all conceding that the conduct required imprisonment rather than arguing for a non-custodial sentence. " ...... " those who do not understand the process of plea making after a conviction when the accused still maintains innocence " No , I dont understand that - you say "I didnt do it", the judge says yes you did and your lawyer responds " No, he didnt do it, but if you are saying he did it, it wasnt THAT serious an offence because of the way he did it .... I mean, the way he DIDN'T do it .... I mean , what you found he did wasn't that serious, even if he did do it ... which he didnt ... " No Mr Richter , us non- lawyers do NOT understand such 'complex' legal processes. ( a term 'well understood by lawyers " ? ) - Sydney barrister Bret Walker SC will represent Pell at the Court of Appeal. Heaven knows what the appeal could be . During my Supreme Court case, which we won, but it went to appeal, the Chief judge ( there where 3 sitting on the case) castigated the prosecutor ; " Ms Sharpe, an appeal is usually lodged when new information or evidence has come to light ." ( Their only new evidence was some person they dug up that was present, supposedly, for the events in dispute 20 years ago. This just goes to show how stupid a court case can be - even though this next part might cost $10,000 'Call the new witness' Our lawyer questions him first; " Sir, would you honestly say you have an accurate and clear memory of events more than 30 years ago ?" 'Well, not entirely accurate and clear, no . " " Thank you, no more questions your Honour. " He goes back to his seat, the idiot prosecutor ( who is the Attorney general, supposedly the States legal expert ! ) looks confused, but we are laughing . She gets up with a huge folder of papers, adjusts them, adjusts her glasses and begins ; " Mr Conroy, now, when this deed was made do you remember .... " Judge " Stop there please Ms Sharpe ." ' Oh .... ? " ' Ms Sharpe ! Your witness just swore under oath that he does not have an accurate and clear memory of events back then . " " Oh ? ..... Oh ! .... I ... um ...... " Judge ; " Thank you Ms Sharpe ..... thank you Mr Conroy, you may step down . " Laughable ! ... if so much money was not being wasted on it .

That thought kept trying to surface in mind ... but it cant be ... can it ? A lawyer said that defending his client who claimed he was innocent ?

I got it down to down to $3000 . I still need to pay for a generator and fridge, but that was not in the other quote either . There will be about $1000 extra for a gas fridge , and possibly more bother ... but every one of them made cant be bad ... I'll trust my luck . The first company seemed stuck on a normal family home and a grid connection. A 240v system with underground cabling to step down to 12v at the cabin .... wot ? The 2nd agreed with what I explained and said it made more sense. Now I gotta figure out how to wire all these gadgets together .

Ohhh ? ... there is also the anthropologist neo-hermeticist though

Only if you cant conceive of how they really did it One can just say ; they used holes and hammered stakes into it, they used fire and then threw vinegar on it ... but I have evidence otherwise of other techniques as well as these. I can post pictures here of half quarried blocks still in situ that where obviously cut otherwise, and science and Egyptologists well know about it . Here is the other trick, or misunderstanding they tout . "Science says they cut stone with copper saws, but those stones are harder than copper ! " They just dont understand the technique or misquote so they can refute it. Then there is the case of stone vases and pots, made well before any type of monumental buildings, or 'advanced' building techniques. Did the ancient mother culture first teach them to make stone vases, then gradually develop it over time to emulate an evolving process ? Pffft ! Mechanical Engineering in Ancient Egypt, Part XII: Stone Cutting https://scholar.cu.edu.eg/?q=galal/files/me_part_xii_ijarmate.pdf Does that idea come from Plato's or Donelley's description of Atlantis ?

... are you supposing the super advanced Atlantians , with their circular ringed city and Navy and all their advanced technology went into Europe and all they managed to teach people was a new style of cave art ?

I note you never answered any questions I posed, due to your former set of statements, in the post of mine you quoted. But, to continue with this new set of statements. As an anthropologist, I can't condone the mixing up of the terms 'culture' and civilisation' . I am sure you know the difference . And I have to say, such outmoded beliefs are the result of western white imperialism . I can link to many papers that explain this, if you are not familiar with the concept. A good introduction to the subject is in the preface to 'Ancient Egypt - from the First Framers to The Great Pyramid' by Toby Wilkenson. It is considered essential understanding nowadays in academia. Remember , most of what passes for 'occultism' was generated by post Victorian western biblical uninformed pre-science ; case in point - Lemuria ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_(continent)#Scientific_origins Some of the biggest advances in sorting out peoples culture, history and developments has come about by third world people and others who are not white westerners, gaining education and degrees and doing research not fuelled by such biases. It developed from Solutrian culture and was virtually a 'degradation' in its first appearance ; " The widespread resumption of artistic production in the early Magdalenian Period was marked at first by a return to simple line drawing and a retreat from the Aurignacian achievements in modeling and polychromy. Generally, coarse black drawings with little concern for detail or finish characterized monumental cave art in this early phase. It may be distinguished as part of a later school by its continuation of Solutrean plastic tendencies and its correct draftsmanship in the treatment of feet and horns and of perspective in general. Later, however, as the new school consolidated itself, there was an increasing and striking naturalism in all the arts. The small arts, already at a high level in the Aurignacian era, reached a climax in the Magdalenian Period, with delicate, detailed engravings and carvings in the round; in engravings two or more animals were often represented together in a recognizable scene. The outstanding achievement of Magdalenian art, however, was the cave engraving and polychrome painting of its late phase. There was little interest in formal composition or relationships between figures, but the figures themselves, especially in painting, were remarkably beautiful, with lively realism, excellent rendering of volumes, subtle expressive poses, and sophisticated design." https://www.britannica.com/topic/Magdalenian-culture ie. the more advanced phase of it was an internal development . Pics please . I looked and cant find one and I am not unfamilar with this art . You might remember some threads where I discussed it and recommended watching Werner Herzog's doco on it ; Similar dynamics here with Gwion Gwion art ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradshaw_rock_paintings Accept for one small detail , those CULTURES are NOTHING AT ALL like the CIVILISATION Atlantis was supposed to be .

What basic idea ? That continents sink without a trace on the sea floor ... all during the ages after the emergence of Homo Sapiens ? Even Zealandia has left evidence Aha! The 'future science' ploy , eh ? Then we should discuss that ' tomorrow ' .... 'when' it happens

I have learnt NOT to expect answers from people that make posts like that ' post and run' . If they do come back and defend what they wrote ..... well, let's wait and see first .