Nungali

By having an interest in some aspect of a culture, learning the language ( to some extent ) and then taking calligraphy lessons.

a wrecking bar - did the job ! On my rotting front decking ( Current jobs done and being done around here ; Re gravelled the driveway ( bobcat 'did the job' ) , excavated a shed site, cut back bamboo from driveway, cut down and chopped up 5 massive trees, cleared and levelled the ground for mower, destroyed old back decking, pulled out posts and getting ready to fill holes with concrete for footings for a bathroom (no more cold showers under the hose in the wind ! ) , building the bathroom, building the shed, laying the new front decking ( this morning ) , reconditioned old solid silky oak wardrobe - with cedar stain on outer, refitted antique bed ( cedar with wood and pearl shell inlay forest nymph playing flute) , made Bengal red velvet bedspread, installed art deco light fittings, cedar chest of draws, strip back and re do table. strip kitchen floor (decayed cork tile) and lay slate tiles. Oh, here is another thing that 'does the job' ... my broke neighbour who is desperate for work ..... and on that note .... goodbye ! ( up and at em .... gotta lay the front deck , before I step through the door to go outside and forget nothing underfoot ! nearly did that last night . ) Y'all have a nice day now Aussie red cedar and silky oak timber ;

crazy ...... like a fox

I think that was one of my first posts here : I am going to fly ! It went on for some time , some buns thought I crazy .... I thought some bums crazy (as they where kinda believing it was possible and encouraging my 'belief' ) ... then I admitted I could fly .... straight down . Gurdjieff ..... Umbrella and enema ? ? ? - you know where he can stick his umbrella .

yes, I did that some time back ... no problem withdrawing it all .... although it did look a little different afterwards

Has 'nature' done that ? or is it our modern life style, conceptions, programming .... something . The reason I ask is that many indigenous people seem NOT to have such a barrier. They live in the 'dreamtime' . Well, in some of the cultures here it is like that .Is not Shamanism another example ?

After years of wanting I finally scored one today ..... yahoo! Now the fun begins (no, that isnt me . )

Nope . It all depends on if the car is reliable or a problem car . Surely ( the car using people ) have encountered this ? If the car is constantly breaking down, I dont need no 'Mirriam Webster' to define if its good for me or not . Virtue ? - judgement call, isnt it ?

I can be both an arsehole and a jerk to others without any need to judge them at all , as lesser greater or equal to me . I am totally non prejudice and non judgmental about who I am an arsehole to . All are equal in my arseholeness. .... some of youmay have noticed this

Maybe a lot of this is from a 'programme' ? .... that one where we all get 'judged' ... at 'the end ' The world has a loooong history of imagining such things ; Sūrat al-Qiyāmah

But surely we use our facilities of judgement all the time ? 'Being judgemental' is using those facilities. What others seem to be protesting about is when a comparative judgment is made with another person to 'look down upon' them ? If you see someone continually borrowing money and not paying it back, do you make a loan to them and write your money off because 'we are all one' , or do you make a judgement call and consider them untrustworthy or unreliable and not make the loan . I know a guy, been a bad junkie for years, a couple of times he has slipped up, forgetting who he is talking to ( me, that is ) and mumbled some feeble excuse to try and get some money. I laugh at him and say 'Its me your talking to.' and he gets an embarrassed sort of laugh and diverts away from that . Doesn't mean I bitch about him, are not friendly to him or help him in other ways . But if you asked me about him ... about if you should loan him money, I would say ' Well, he is a junkie and you probably will not get the money back, he owes heaps of people money. Perhaps people are meaning 'do not condemn others ' ( despise , look down upon , or even judge them as a lesser person )when they say 'dont be judgemental ' ? Might be time to quote Liber Librae again " Be not hasty to condemn others; how knowest thou that in their place, thou couldst have resisted the temptation? And even were it so, why shouldst thou despise one who is weaker than thyself?

.... thats a boxing reference, not a religious one .

Looks like he just wore a right cross .

So ... your Trump thread still causing trubs ? And people are still posting in it . I still will have nothing to do with it. Just watch it slowly eat through this site and knock people off . Like some sort of new drug epidemic. You should lock it .

Exactly what I meant above . I dont 'judge' any one for being an alcoholic , a junkie, a prostitute, a priest, sober, single or married . But if I see someone is constantly drunk AND they drive, and they offer me a lift, I will make a judgement on weather I trust them, if its safe , etc . Or even as simple as if I think someone is telling the truth or not , that's a judgement too . Making a judgement on them if they are a 'good or bad; person for telling THAT lie is different from judging if they are a liar - IMO .

Why ? I disagree . I make lots of judgements, constantly , and it has nothing to do with changing my view . Actually some judgements I make might make me change my view . The complaints seem about certain specific prejudicial judgments , not judgement generally .

YES! Thats 'the other 'type' of judgement . Perhaps prejudice ? Maybe we need two different words ?

Some people hear 'that word' and get all uppity and it triggers a whole lot of other things for them ; comparison with others, a type of inequality, a whole lot of stuff . What i hear in the word is simple [ I have had experiences with the guy I mentioned above ; I witnessed him make several blunders of judgement himself - numerous times that effected others and their property. Why should I NOT learn from his mistakes and my observations ? NO , you cant borrow my car , I saw you wreck your own with irresponsibility and unawareness. No on many levels. What about learning from our experiences, isnt that judgement . I think perhaps we are giving two very different meanings to the word ?

You see judgement as a comparison with one's self ?

Its an important skill . Pre judgement or pre judice , is the problem . Otherwise it becomes a New Age cop out ; I remember this guy accusing me of 'being judgmental' of him "Your so judgmental man . " as if he could negate my opinion of him by just saying that . What .... ? I am supposed to ignore all the blunders, wrong decisions and fuck ups he made, some that really impacted and effected others .... and I am just supposed to go along with him and get caught up in the mess he creates and be effected by it .... in order to be NOT judgmental . HA !