Nungali

Whereabouts ? (just the area , not your address )

Oh no ! Its one of those crazy civilised toilets where you deficate into perfectly good water . And then it goes off and treated with chemicals , and dumped in the ocean or something , How primitive ! Water toilet is sooo primitive .... so polluting .... so upsetting ... that I think i need a drink ..... and some tacos .

Well, its pretty close to Brú na Bóinne ;

..... Oh, and something to wash it down with

Stayed at my sisters in a far away touro town , Mexican around the corner ... tacos galore, all types ! Is there an 'international taco day ' ?

Sometimes life is just about having fun

I have long ships about it

Well ... there is also sport, hobbies, family, intellectual pursuits, study, research, improving your education, charity work ..... There is more to life than working and jacking off all day ..... even if you have a crap job . I used to look after and wash old people, change their messy beds, etc AND study anthropology, soil science, divinity and comparative religions at Uni . (Yeah, all right then, during the time I did that, I might have jacked off a few times )

'Unused' sexual energy is fed upon by demons , especially on fridays ! Its all about ..... 'down there '

'astral ' ... 'without going into detail ' <sigh> .... again

Like I said .... English is a bad language for this . Most of the in depth 'research' on 'psychic anatomy', the terminology and understandings, comes from Vedanta, Buddhism, Daoism.

Hmmm ... I think we got a crossed wire . I asked you a question and got a lot of questions back , I guess the point got lost - I WAS commenting on the uselessness of such terms without clear definitions ...... whatever. 'Qi' is something different and not always part of a cultures 'psychic anatomy' scheme. But , generally, Qi - the 'life force and relating to 'air' and breath , in Greek that would be 'pneuma ' ('spirit' or 'soul' ), in Kabbalah 'Ruach' in Egyptian it is trickier and spans a few concepts , one is magical power that imbues anything , some see the 'shm' as the living force or life-force of the soul , in Zoroastrianism I am not familiar with a term that equates to 'animating life force', that probably comes through 'Urvan' ( 'soul') , yet practices to develop 'chi' (aligning breath, movement and exercise for awareness ) could be found in their health practices.

Or it becomes a general term that no one really understands but uses it anyway, and everyone nods in agreement like they know what is being talked about . I hit this big time when I worked in bio-dynamic agriculture . How does it work ? It 'balances the 'astral energies' , my boss said . yet he could not explain what astral was and got defensive ! Steiner writes stuff ( and I read his whole book on agriculture, no one else at work, including boss did ! he says things like ;' the farm is an entity with its head in the ground and its stomach in the air ' . I could eventually make sense of that, yes, its a great and helpful description, 'in the field' and when you understand the system in depth. But he also says birds are good to have as they create streams of astral energy when they fly , from one place to another . ...... and bats trail bad energy ...... < ahem ! > . I never found one BDer that could explain what their own terms meant . I often use the term 'psychic anatomy' , which is also misleading due to the psychic word . What it is referring to is the psyche and different aspects of it , but not any 'anatomy of a body' .

I neglected to tag the quoting - wiki article on 'astral ' . The reason I let Wiki explain that particular part is because if I state things peeps often go "what would you know ! " Theosophy does explain it badly, for an in depth study I recommend Vedanta . I am not familiar with the Daoist concepts of it . But then, new terms and understandings need to be found . Part of the problem is English language - we just dont have the terms for in depth spirituality, or even psychology , thats why English borrows so many esoteric terms from other languages. ( English is however, a good language for commerce ) Is this the Daoist process of evocation ? I am still unclear what you mean about 'starting on the mental plane ' . Would not that be an internal process ? If so, that makes it very different from the western system which is most definitely supposed to be done externally ; ie, you are in the circle, the evoked spirit is outside the circle and in the triangle . Unless you are talking about some type of 'collective mental plane ' and not one's own personal one ? Do you mean ' visualise the ceremony or ritual' ? Also , considering 'other traditions' there are concepts like Akh, Ba, Ka , etc of the ancient Egyptians And mainyu, urvan, fraveshi, khvarana, etc of Zoroastrianism ( my preferred system as it seems the origin of much of the deeper more modern western magical concepts ) . But they all seem slightly different due to different cultural understandings. When one studies that ( the cultural differences via cultural anthropology, for example) one can distil certain essences that are similar and construct a system which seems most common .

Yeah ! And such methods can effect how the physical body operates . For example , I learnt a LOT about how the martial arts forms ( 'sets') I have been studying ( 21 empty handed and 14 with various weapons and multiples of each moves application within each set) by practising them each night before I went to sleep by 'imagining' I had projected out of my physical body that lay on the bed and practised against another projection of myself . It worked really well as a memory aid and also revealed new and interesting applications which I would then try out on others physically at training. People would wonder how I learnt and retained so much and also where all this new stuff was coming from. teacher accused me of having another secret teacher ! One day I said to them ; "Dont you guys train in your imagination for kata and against others . " and I got And teacher said " Thats how I learnt all these katas, I would go over them in my mind and imagine myself ding them . " And he does know an awful lot of katas and bunkai ..... as that is what he practices, but he only does it by 'himself' , as a kata. hence he never comes up with new bunkai or variations and was mystified as to how I got mine . . . . . but he is only doing a 'solo visualisation' . Also, for want of better terms , he might be 'training' on the 'mental and physical' planes but not ....... wait for it ..... 'training on the astral ' .

Why is that ? Does it seem 'threatening' or something ?

I charge my disciples to let me beat them . Joining fee ; $650. Snide verbal abuse session : $145 . Physical and emotional abuse $185. Smell my poo-poo $220. Special ! One day as Muk yan jong $ 360 .

... also you could answer the questions I asked you .... instead of diverting away from them.

Why would you think that ? Without even knowing me? All you have to do is read some of my posts on the subject on this forum - there are heaps of them ! I have been studying and practising western hermeticism and magic for over 40 years ! As far as 'experiential' goes, I not only have practical experience, my practices were written up as experiments in diaries and journals, I have about 5 volumes of them . I excavated, built and operated my own temple, where many an evocation and invocation was made . Here are some pictures ; we could talk further about this, and you could potentially be enlightened about what you asked for .... if you can change your assumptive and dismissive attitude

What 'yarrow stalk' ? Chinese yarrow must be different. I have been growing yarrow for years ( for use of its other properties) and kept the old dried 'leaf' and flower stalks , neither of them seemed suitable - fragile and easily broken . I was surprised how well it works in its application to stop blood flow and heal wounds ... bad wounds (also called 'Soldiers herb or woundwart .... and soldiers wounds , back then, were not all that trivial ! ... sword and axe cuts ! But how does its properties apply to divination ? What makes yarrow a plant for divination ?