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yeah ... but I grew up and dreamed about these guys version (and the dream came true ! )

also, being originally an oral tradition ... who knows when that started ? The 'Pishdadian Era' is very interesting . but pre-historical and perhaps speculative ? https://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/legendary/index.htm Even in pre historical ancient times they seemed to know about lands from Indus valley all the way over to Anatolia ... but not Mesopotamia , that is , apparently not south of the Zargos (until Persua emerged ) .

By the way, I have a few Israeli friends both Jewish and non- Jewish - one heavily into Kabbalah , and I find our levels of logic rather similar . You need to make up some other excuses

Except I do not have 'west logic' . Shall I start putting up links where other Jews say this theory is rubbish ? Does your 'eastern logic' say that other Jews, Rabbis , Israelis affirm that ancient Jews were Bedouin ? Thats a really pathetic attempt at justifying your personal and skewif 'number philosophy' (which isnt even good in an 'eastern mindset' ) Even a 'western logic' person knows that if anything they consider the Bedouin as descendants of ancient Jews - not the other way around as you are somehow trying to demonstrate. Maybe less 'Kabbalah' and a bit more Wiki ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_tribes_of_Arabia

I hope you understand why that link talks about this within the context of literary criticism ? Then you might understand the responses (or lack of them ) better . Hint - this is a discussion board not a blog page .

Dude ! There isnt much point removing it .... especially after its been quoted

.. Hang on ... do you mean Zeus and Jupiter ... or Pluto and Hades ?

Also 'Zardusht' I think is another version. One thing that arises in in depth study is the uncertainty of the dating . https://www.jstor.org/stable/615820?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents ... and the general articles like Wiki on dating . (my vies is that he was a reformer of an earlier 'Zoroastrian like ' religion (and this was a reformation of a similar earlier 'Aryan religion' . ) so elements of both original and reformation get confused and re-dated. Also the phenomenal amount of lost or destroyed records ; Alexander and the Islamic/Arab invasion - about 90% of what they had ... lost . Most of their record is 'mytho-scriptual' it ends before history ... then there is a giant gap in the record (possibly war or disruption with other Indo-Iranian Aryans that did not accept Zoroastrianism ). The record resumes with early history of Assyrians who first reported 'Parsa or Parsua ' (later Persians ) who were emerging out of the Zargos Mts and moving into Media plains and lowlands . (Eventually the people to the east of Assyria banded together against Assyrian raids and warfare, Parsa got the upper hand, eventually taking over the Medians and Persia 'Empire' came into existence that extolled many Zoroastrian principles ( like allowing the conquered people to have their own religions , supporting and building their temples, releasing the Jews from captivity .... all smart moves to make for a stable empire. ) ... Aside ; this supposedly goes back to the old pre historical principle of Zoroastrian 'good kingship' which supposedly made their first centre or 'homeland' - Aryana Vaeja one of the best places to live . We also have there, beginnings of a 4 fold 'caste system' with them as well, but more like a system of 'trades and occupations' . I was recently reading where Ahura Mazda supposedly represented some wise ancient king that gave out teachings, thats why such principles were embedded so strongly in the culture. One never knows perhaps the 'shining radiant being'' that communicated all this too him was a metaphorical flattery ?

... and this makes them Bedoins does it ?

here we go .... the real rsason for this thread ^

Adam and Eve were Jewish too .

yes, this t indicates that all the other tribes did not become Jews . So those other ("many tribes' ) tribes were not 'Jewish before Islam'

he seems to have trouble communicating and answering questions (or ignores them ) and will not rise to a challenge . Maybe see these posts as more like 'announcements ' ? Although these ones have a question in them . I assume its rhetorical and actually has nothing to do with the facts or cultural anthropology at all ., but is a prelude to something .

The 2nd is closer to the original Avestan , the first closer to the Greek rendering . Zoroaster (/ˌzɒroʊˈæstər ˈzɒroʊˌæstər/; from Greek Ζωροάστρης Zōroastrēs), also known as Zarathustra (/ˌzɑːrəˈθuːstrə/; Avestan: Zaraθuštra), Zarathushtra Spitama or Ashu Zarathushtra,

Well, they seem some copied and pasted vague comparative stats ... what do you want education with ?

... you probably knew I would contribute here . My most recent research has been with Media (place) and Medians . They had a lot of 'native Iranian' stuff that was incorporated into Zoroastrianism, like elements of the early 'Aryan' religions ; worship and offerings to the forces of nature, water and especially fire. They knew the value of offerings and sacrifice (yasna) but also its detrimental effect in certain areas (eg, they banned the traditional Aryan Horse sacrifice and the bull sacrifice). One of their main principles I like is their view on the purpose of life ..... is it to 'fear God' or even obey his laws , is to make more Zoroastrians, is it to go to heaven ? Nope ... it is primarily 'to have a good life and enjoy it . How is this to be achieved ? By living a certain way, doing certain actions and avoiding others thus building a healthy psychology . Its a great system and has the roots in it of many later developed systems . It has a great system of 'psychic anatomy', which I hope to highlight n a latter post .

Thanks .... I will say that next time I pour petrol down their nest and torch it . or maybe make a tiny prayer wheel and write it on it and stick it in the ground next to the nest .

very good Thing is I take care of my waste ; I made my own dry composting toilet, the compost goes out into the forest . (You could also have suggested that most of the fruit I would eat has sterile seeds anyway , the fruit being produced by hybrid trees in a prison orchard . )

Considering this ^ it appears the only 'karma fee' food is fruit ; it wants to be eaten, to disperse its seed , it was made to be eaten or composted , that was the intent and purpose of the plant producing it .

Ants ... ants .... you cant seal up a house to eliminate ants ! Even against mice ... my neighbour tried it, he is a builder and carpenter and meticulously fussy .... made the whole place mouse proof ... one day he comes through the (spring loaded) mouse proof screen door and I ; " A mouse just ran in. " "What ? " " A mouse, I just saw it, it was hiding near that shoe and as soon as you opened the door and went in , it zipped in after you before the door shut . " Little buggers ... they learned that trick pretty quick !

I got berried by this guy when I went to USA

Unless you went 30 years without one ! Then, I assume it would go off like a skyrocket ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOwRRf6_3C4

Yes ..... I have one of those search engines that anticipates what I want to view due to my past history , it keeps throwing up stuff about the bronze age .