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Body/energy work in Western/European esoteric traditions?
Nungali replied to morning dew's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
Do peeps know who ripped off these whole set of exercises and repackaged and remarked them as a type of new eastern enlightenment / 'kundalini meditation' ? -
Body/energy work in Western/European esoteric traditions?
Nungali replied to morning dew's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
.... on a more serious note ; there was a great 'beginners guide' to Reich (or some similar title) informative of the whole dynamic at that time and what supressed it. It was heavily illustrated cartoon style, but informative . It was good for the whole dynamics and realisations that started it . Apparently, it all started one day when Reich was talking to a patient and noticed the man's shoulder twitched every time he mentioned his father. He asked him about it and the man said he didn't have a shoulder twitch, and why did he bring his father ( twitch ) into it , what has his father ( twitch twitch ) got to do with anything. Reich asked the man if he would mind if he examined his shoulder. That was his big mistake - he 'crossed the floor' and came out from behind his desk and felt the man's shoulder. (That and eventually associations with the Communist Party led to his excommunication from psychoanalysis in in 1934). The man felt pain and asked Reich what the hell he was doing to him. He started realising psychological trauma could be stored physically in body memory and create problems. conversely; manipulation, massage, etc. on effected parts could heal or at least expose the psychological trauma. He also believed that the 'unconscious' and uncontrolled body movements of proper 'potent orgasm' did a similar thing. Unfortunately after some great work , he built an orgone cannon and started firing it at UFOs that were coming to steal or energy. Things went rapidly downhill from there. Then there was the 'sexual therapy' and 'potent orgasm' theory ; worth studying. For a while, there were Socialist Party workers sex clinics, some had a travelling 'therapy centre' with 'professional workers' . Apparently it increased worker's production and reduced sick leave " In The Function of the Orgasm Reich had argued controversially that all neurosis was caused by "the lack of full and repeated sexual satisfaction". When revising the manuscript, he added a chapter on "The Social Significance of Genital Strivings" that represented his first attempt at fusing the ideas of Marx and Freud. "Keen to put theory into praxis, the charismatic Reich founded the Socialist Society for Sex-Counselling and Sex-Research and, with Freud's blessing, opened six free sex clinics in poorer areas of Vienna He also operated a van as a mobile centre, from which he lectured crowds on "the sexual misery of the masses under capitalism", warning of the dangers of abstinence, the importance of premarital sex, and the corrupting influence of the patriarchal family. The clinics were staffed by other leftwing members of the second generation of psychoanalysts, in thrall to Reich, who distributed sex advice and free contraception, and arranged illegal abortions. Their motto was "Free Sexuality Within an Egalitarian Society". https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/may/01/sex-pol-essays-reich-review -
You read about it in Russian , yet you claim an Indian told you about it ? An Indian that writes in Russian ? I suppose it's possible The Indians hide their secrets (from in depth anthropological research apparently ) but NOT from Russian texts and conversations with Russians ? There is my damn lineal logic again !
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Yep, they are inconsistent and seem unfocused .
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Your answers do not relate to the points bought up that refute your earlier answers . Eg, earlier you claimed a wrong translation , when it is pointed out you now, again , switch to something else. Its sorta like you are trying to 'move the goalposts' .
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That would seem obvious ... yet so many seem awed by the 'super amazing and awesome' techniques of the little understood but infamous .... 'demonstration' .
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Now you are ascribing the Christian Holy Spirit to the Hebrew concept of ruach ha-kodesh : רוח הקודש, Judaism has nothing to do with Christian Trinitarianism . In Christian Kabbalah Holy Spirit is ' Sophia' - Wisdom and resides in the Supernal Triangle and not down near Yesod (below Son / Heart ) , which is the usual attribution for the 'sexual energy / force ' . What is your source on this ? (Aside from your affirmation of 'real experience with it ' ? )
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Nope ... when the term 'Adonai' appears that is translated as 'Lord' . The Bible also used YHWH and Adonai , El, Eloah as 'God' , Elohim as 'Gods, Shaddai as 'God Almighty' , etc .
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Well, he first claimed 'the Bible' but when I refuted his claim he switched to some rave about Hebrew culture, history and The Tanakh ... ?
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PS; and self proclaimed experience don't convince me ... even when it is declared in CAPS
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Sorry Dude ... be as cryptic and symbolic with it as you like . You do realise that some of the 'God's orders' to go make war actually happened and is in history and the archaeological record ? I suppose though you will say all those people back then got it wrong as they don't ascribe to this modern esoteric symbolic all encompassing interpretation ?
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Maybe .... but what does ' I am that I am ' mean ( אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה,) again , context ! ehyeh asher ehyeh [ehˈje aˈʃer ehˈje]) is the common English translation (JPS among others) of the response that God used in the Hebrew Bible when Moses asked for his name (Exodus 3:14). It is one of the most famous verses in the Torah. Hayah means "existed" in Hebrew; ehyeh is the first person singular imperfect form and is usually translated in English Bibles as "I am" or "I will be" (or "I shall be"), for example, at Exodus 3:14. Ehyeh asher ehyeh literally translates as "I Am Who I Am." The ancient Hebrew of Exodus 3:14 lacks a future tense such as modern English has, yet a few translations render this name as "I Will Be What I Will Be," given the context of Yahweh's promising to be with his people through their future troubles.[1] Both the literal present tense "I Am" and the future tense "I will be" have given rise to many attendant theological and mystical implications in Jewish tradition. However, in most English Bibles, in particular the King James Version, the phrase is rendered as I am that I am. Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh (often contracted in English as "I AM") is one of the Seven Names of God accorded special care by medieval Jewish tradition.[2] The phrase is also found in other world religious literature, used to describe the Supreme Being, generally referring back to its use in Exodus. The word Ehyeh is considered by many rabbinical scholars to be a first-person derivation of the Tetragrammaton, see for example Yahweh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_that_I_Am In realktion to 'I am that I am ' from Cheshire Cat , in relation to warlike advice and orders issued to Jews , from me That makes me the archangel of fire ! see above Then, don't say it
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What ? God has many names in the Bible ... why are you saying it is just 'I am " ? I am wondering what the 'reason' behind you claim is, if it was true anyway ? Parts of the Bible seem to say that ... for some . As you wrote it ^ , that's a bit of a stretch . Depends what you mean by 'ego' I suppose . Its a very flexible term nowadays
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? ..... That is an answer to this ; " But I prefer , when examining Hebrew names of God , to go to a Hebrew tradition, not a Christian one " Jewish traditions do not understand Jewish words ? ... What ? What it sounds like depends on the receptor I suppose. One has to not go on 'what it sounds like'... merely to oneself . You have to try and understand it in context of levels and the other names of those levels ... which Is why I posted the charts and the Tree of Life . It can be interpreted as the essential existential statement ; an essential awareness without description or qualification , not something I would attribute to a warlord .... although, in many other cases of communication from Yahweh ... I certainly agree with the Warlord 'tantie' rant ! ( Taking that in context and with the actions that followed )
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Again ... it will work if you know how to set it up , and how it is supposed to work in a dynamic ' free for all ' . Cross train ! Constantly working technique only within the same style , movement and reactions can make an art 'unrealistic' .
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Hmmmm ... maybe. In karate it is usually done with a downward blocking movement with the lead arm ( that goes no where near the lower body ) ... immediately followed by a front kick with the raised leg (from behind the other leg ) . I have been playing with the ' fighting from higher ground' idea . Haven't yet found a different reasonable application .
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Body/energy work in Western/European esoteric traditions?
Nungali replied to morning dew's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
Not that I know of, exactly. But 'body/ energy work ', in the west is sort of a different thing. A lot of modern and 'new Age' bodywork was started within the context of psychoanalysis with Reich, who was promptly kicked out for touching patents and not sitting behind a desk and going " Mmmm-hmmmm. " Then there is DD Palmer , if we ant to include chiropractic treatments, There is the 'hand healing' 'therapeutic touch ' of Dora Kunz, a Theosophist. There were 19th century 'magnetic and electrical healers' , even radio-active products were touted . 'Light Therapy' is interesting (but may not have an entire western origin, although it has been used in modern medicine A newborn infant undergoing white-light phototherapy to treat neonatal jaundice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_therapy There are a lot more ; " The US-based National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health (NCCIH) distinguishes between health care involving scientifically observable energy, which it calls "Veritable Energy Medicine", and health care methods that invoke physically undetectable or unverifiable "energies", which it calls "Putative Energy Medicine":[33] Types of "veritable energy medicine" include magnet therapy, colorpuncture, and light therapy. Medical techniques involving the use electromagnetic radiation (e.g. radiation therapy or magnetic resonance imaging) are not considered "energy medicine" in the terms of alternative medicine. Types of "putative energy medicine" include biofield energy healing therapies where the hands are claimed to direct or modulate "energies" which are believed to effect healing in the patient;[34][verification needed] this includes spiritual healing and psychic healing, Therapeutic touch, Healing Touch, Hands of light, Esoteric healing, Magnetic healing (now a historical term not to be confused with magnet therapy), Qigong healing, Reiki, Pranic healing, Crystal healing, distant healing, intercessory prayer, and similar modalities.[35][verification needed][36] Concepts such as Qi (Chi), Prana, Innate Intelligence, Mana, Pneuma, Vital fluid, Odic force, and Orgone are among the many terms that have been used to describe these putative energy fields.[35] This category does not include Acupuncture, Ayurvedic medicine, Chiropractic, and other modalities where a physical intervention is used to manipulate a putative energy. Polarity therapy founded by Randolph Stone is a kind of energy medicine[37] based on the belief that a person's health is subject to positive and negative charges in their electromagnetic field.[38] It has been promoted as capable of curing a number of human ailments ranging from muscular tightness to cancer; however, according to the American Cancer Society "available scientific evidence does not support claims that polarity therapy is effective in treating cancer or any other disease".[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_medicine#Classification -
You have to be familiar with a Maori accent and slang , I guess.
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Yeah .... I was wondering if Chinese forms had it , the Okinawan form where it is mostly used is said to have come from China , or a Chinese pirate . Why hook the toes and foot behind the other leg ?
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and that difference is toast ... with toast , you are never alone .
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Don't culturally misappropriate a spiritual tradition (from the other side of the planet from you ) as a vehicle for your alien nonsense . Theyt didn't 'fly' anywhere ! " The exact origin of the kachinas is not completely known, but according to one version of Hopi belief, the kachinas were beneficent spirit-beings who came with the Hopis from the underworld. The underworld is a concept common to all the Pueblo Indians. It is a place where the spirits or shades live: the newly born come from there and the dead return there. " - Wiki . ... so, unless your 'aliens' were 'Morlocks ' .....
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Then don't have motorcycle crashes and smash your pelvis Have a go . Get into a good 'crane stance', extend legs and cross them with your partner at the shins, start a circular motion and feel for chances, gaps etc through the legs, enter, slide defect and kick in, when you can, the other will try to do the same to your strikes . Good balance exercise too . Does their ' crane stance variation' have ; stand on one leg, the other is raised , bent at the knee with the foot held behind the back of the standing leg at the back of the knee ?
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Meh, the whole thing is obviously a 'post / advertisement ' . and , I feel, some 'sock puppetry at .... post 2 Whatever happened to (so called ) ' Luke Dindial ' Hmmmmmmmm ? .
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