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Body/energy work in Western/European esoteric traditions?
Nungali replied to morning dew's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
" Reich decided the patients' body language could be more revealing than their words. He observed their tone of voice and the way they moved and concluded that people form a kind of ARMOUR to protect themselves, not only from the blows of the outside world, but also from their own desires and instincts. Most of us desire something, and immediately set out to find ways NOT to get it! Reich saw this process working in the body. Over the years a person builds up this character armour through bodily habits and patterns of physical behaviour ... " He saw how maternity hospital procedures created the beginnings of armouring in newborn babies: Being violently expelled from a nice warm protective uterus into a much colder place, with too much bright light and hard or rough surfaces, being slapped on the bottom, prodded with various instruments, taken away from Mum and maybe left lonely, hungry and frightened. This process was continued with the imposed inhibitions of childhood and puberty; toilet training, commandments around sexuality - "Don't touch yourself there, that's dirty" etc. etc. " He evolved something he called Vegetotherapy which recognised that muscular rigidities in the body contain the history of their origin, and began to use touch when working with his patients ... " I see body armour not as a shell around or all over a person's exterior, but as specific individual muscles in spasm, painful and tight as piano wire, while surrounding or overlaying tissues may be soft or even appear flabby. The work is still cathartic at times. When touch on a particular spot evokes traumatic memories or feelings the client may express them. S/he cries, shouts, kicks, screams, shakes violently, punches nearby cushions --- any or all of these " http://www.catalase.com/bodyarm.htm -
Body/energy work in Western/European esoteric traditions?
Nungali replied to morning dew's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
I thought we providing info in context of the first post -
Body/energy work in Western/European esoteric traditions?
Nungali replied to morning dew's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
No .... it isn't ' a bit like anime ' with detectives and pirates . -
I thought you said that an Indian told you ? Whoops ! There I go with 'mere details' again Cosmology don't mean 'aliens' 'flying' .... " Religious or mythological cosmology is a body of beliefs based on mythological, religious, and esoteric literature and traditions of creation myths and eschatology. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmology So if Kachina 'doll' is connected to cosmology , could mean lots of things ! These dolls are connected to cosmology too But it does not mean they are aliens that flew to us
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The Basques are aliens that build UFOs in underground France .... and damn any 'minor details' that try to shoot my story down !
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When you find it difficult getting along with people...
Nungali replied to TheCLounge's topic in General Discussion
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My point that scholars of Hebrew understand their own language better than people that try to turn it to mean other things. And my other point is the loose transition from 'Bible' to Hebrew Scripture some are making . But some have not been able to comprehend that ... I mean ... interpret the bible as personal advice / handbook ..... or a manual to Kundalini practice , or proof of aliens and UFOs - or whatever .... Does not mean it isn't 'talking about God' though . And it doesn't mean your particular ';twist' 'is it' .
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Yes, for some strange reason they were not playing 'Eye of the Tiger ' I swear ... if I see one more MA vid with Eye of the Tiger playing ! Now, for a little interlude ...... Here is some nice music and visuals
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Yes, a few crossed wires in the OP that somehow extend from what is in the vid. But I don't see ' cruelty ' as associated with enlightenment ; it is an imbalance - extended from 'severity' ; the wise (or enlightened) may need to invoke 'balanced severity' , but cruelty is an excess. " Remember that unbalanced force is evil; that unbalanced severity is but cruelty and oppression; but that also unbalanced mercy is but weakness which would allow and abet Evil. " You do not have to be cruel or a sadist to address 'evil' , that actually helps create it . Its an attitude thing (like enlightenment) . If someone is violently wielding a machete , it might be necessary to break their arm , but not to delight in the act and continue to twist and wiggle the now disarmed person's broken arm . Although I imagine the psychopathic cruel sadist imagines they are very enlightened about human nature - not really, they have just observed a weakness in human nature and taking advantage of it to satisfy their 'crossed wires' .
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Body/energy work in Western/European esoteric traditions?
Nungali replied to morning dew's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
Do peeps know who ripped off these whole set of exercises and repackaged and remarked them as a type of new eastern enlightenment / 'kundalini meditation' ? -
Body/energy work in Western/European esoteric traditions?
Nungali replied to morning dew's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
.... on a more serious note ; there was a great 'beginners guide' to Reich (or some similar title) informative of the whole dynamic at that time and what supressed it. It was heavily illustrated cartoon style, but informative . It was good for the whole dynamics and realisations that started it . Apparently, it all started one day when Reich was talking to a patient and noticed the man's shoulder twitched every time he mentioned his father. He asked him about it and the man said he didn't have a shoulder twitch, and why did he bring his father ( twitch ) into it , what has his father ( twitch twitch ) got to do with anything. Reich asked the man if he would mind if he examined his shoulder. That was his big mistake - he 'crossed the floor' and came out from behind his desk and felt the man's shoulder. (That and eventually associations with the Communist Party led to his excommunication from psychoanalysis in in 1934). The man felt pain and asked Reich what the hell he was doing to him. He started realising psychological trauma could be stored physically in body memory and create problems. conversely; manipulation, massage, etc. on effected parts could heal or at least expose the psychological trauma. He also believed that the 'unconscious' and uncontrolled body movements of proper 'potent orgasm' did a similar thing. Unfortunately after some great work , he built an orgone cannon and started firing it at UFOs that were coming to steal or energy. Things went rapidly downhill from there. Then there was the 'sexual therapy' and 'potent orgasm' theory ; worth studying. For a while, there were Socialist Party workers sex clinics, some had a travelling 'therapy centre' with 'professional workers' . Apparently it increased worker's production and reduced sick leave " In The Function of the Orgasm Reich had argued controversially that all neurosis was caused by "the lack of full and repeated sexual satisfaction". When revising the manuscript, he added a chapter on "The Social Significance of Genital Strivings" that represented his first attempt at fusing the ideas of Marx and Freud. "Keen to put theory into praxis, the charismatic Reich founded the Socialist Society for Sex-Counselling and Sex-Research and, with Freud's blessing, opened six free sex clinics in poorer areas of Vienna He also operated a van as a mobile centre, from which he lectured crowds on "the sexual misery of the masses under capitalism", warning of the dangers of abstinence, the importance of premarital sex, and the corrupting influence of the patriarchal family. The clinics were staffed by other leftwing members of the second generation of psychoanalysts, in thrall to Reich, who distributed sex advice and free contraception, and arranged illegal abortions. Their motto was "Free Sexuality Within an Egalitarian Society". https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/may/01/sex-pol-essays-reich-review -
You read about it in Russian , yet you claim an Indian told you about it ? An Indian that writes in Russian ? I suppose it's possible The Indians hide their secrets (from in depth anthropological research apparently ) but NOT from Russian texts and conversations with Russians ? There is my damn lineal logic again !
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Yep, they are inconsistent and seem unfocused .
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Your answers do not relate to the points bought up that refute your earlier answers . Eg, earlier you claimed a wrong translation , when it is pointed out you now, again , switch to something else. Its sorta like you are trying to 'move the goalposts' .
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That would seem obvious ... yet so many seem awed by the 'super amazing and awesome' techniques of the little understood but infamous .... 'demonstration' .
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Now you are ascribing the Christian Holy Spirit to the Hebrew concept of ruach ha-kodesh : רוח הקודש, Judaism has nothing to do with Christian Trinitarianism . In Christian Kabbalah Holy Spirit is ' Sophia' - Wisdom and resides in the Supernal Triangle and not down near Yesod (below Son / Heart ) , which is the usual attribution for the 'sexual energy / force ' . What is your source on this ? (Aside from your affirmation of 'real experience with it ' ? )
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Nope ... when the term 'Adonai' appears that is translated as 'Lord' . The Bible also used YHWH and Adonai , El, Eloah as 'God' , Elohim as 'Gods, Shaddai as 'God Almighty' , etc .
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Well, he first claimed 'the Bible' but when I refuted his claim he switched to some rave about Hebrew culture, history and The Tanakh ... ?
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PS; and self proclaimed experience don't convince me ... even when it is declared in CAPS
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Sorry Dude ... be as cryptic and symbolic with it as you like . You do realise that some of the 'God's orders' to go make war actually happened and is in history and the archaeological record ? I suppose though you will say all those people back then got it wrong as they don't ascribe to this modern esoteric symbolic all encompassing interpretation ?
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Maybe .... but what does ' I am that I am ' mean ( אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה,) again , context ! ehyeh asher ehyeh [ehˈje aˈʃer ehˈje]) is the common English translation (JPS among others) of the response that God used in the Hebrew Bible when Moses asked for his name (Exodus 3:14). It is one of the most famous verses in the Torah. Hayah means "existed" in Hebrew; ehyeh is the first person singular imperfect form and is usually translated in English Bibles as "I am" or "I will be" (or "I shall be"), for example, at Exodus 3:14. Ehyeh asher ehyeh literally translates as "I Am Who I Am." The ancient Hebrew of Exodus 3:14 lacks a future tense such as modern English has, yet a few translations render this name as "I Will Be What I Will Be," given the context of Yahweh's promising to be with his people through their future troubles.[1] Both the literal present tense "I Am" and the future tense "I will be" have given rise to many attendant theological and mystical implications in Jewish tradition. However, in most English Bibles, in particular the King James Version, the phrase is rendered as I am that I am. Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh (often contracted in English as "I AM") is one of the Seven Names of God accorded special care by medieval Jewish tradition.[2] The phrase is also found in other world religious literature, used to describe the Supreme Being, generally referring back to its use in Exodus. The word Ehyeh is considered by many rabbinical scholars to be a first-person derivation of the Tetragrammaton, see for example Yahweh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_that_I_Am In realktion to 'I am that I am ' from Cheshire Cat , in relation to warlike advice and orders issued to Jews , from me That makes me the archangel of fire ! see above Then, don't say it
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What ? God has many names in the Bible ... why are you saying it is just 'I am " ? I am wondering what the 'reason' behind you claim is, if it was true anyway ? Parts of the Bible seem to say that ... for some . As you wrote it ^ , that's a bit of a stretch . Depends what you mean by 'ego' I suppose . Its a very flexible term nowadays
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? ..... That is an answer to this ; " But I prefer , when examining Hebrew names of God , to go to a Hebrew tradition, not a Christian one " Jewish traditions do not understand Jewish words ? ... What ? What it sounds like depends on the receptor I suppose. One has to not go on 'what it sounds like'... merely to oneself . You have to try and understand it in context of levels and the other names of those levels ... which Is why I posted the charts and the Tree of Life . It can be interpreted as the essential existential statement ; an essential awareness without description or qualification , not something I would attribute to a warlord .... although, in many other cases of communication from Yahweh ... I certainly agree with the Warlord 'tantie' rant ! ( Taking that in context and with the actions that followed )
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Again ... it will work if you know how to set it up , and how it is supposed to work in a dynamic ' free for all ' . Cross train ! Constantly working technique only within the same style , movement and reactions can make an art 'unrealistic' .