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Thanks for that reference " Before Chinese influence was introduced, figures were tied to the ground line and included "backgrounds of solid color", or in "clear accordance with indigenous artistic traditions". However, once influenced by the Chinese, Persian painters gained much more freedom through the Chinese traditions of "unrestricted space and infinite planes". Much of the Chinese influence in Persian art is probably indirect, transmitted through Central Asia. There appear to be no Persian miniatures that are clearly the work of a Chinese artist or one trained in China itself. The most prestigious Chinese painting tradition, of literati landscape painting on scrolls, has little influence; instead the closest parallels are with wall-paintings and motifs such as clouds and dragons found in Chinese pottery, textiles, and other decorative arts.[36] The format and composition of the Persian miniature received strong influence from Chinese paintings.[37] and ..., though they have a much more aggressive character in Islamic art, and are often seen fighting each other or natural beasts.[39] Early Persian art was not Islamic influenced as Islam had not been invented yet ..... Islamic dragon is a type of Christian guilt ridden one . As I said , you seem to have ' a dragon conflict / misunderstanding thing ' battling within your psyche .

Well ... when what you do to others is done back at you .... you cant even seem to tell what is going on Plus you have a really good way of making your points ^ If we could only figure out what they were or what they meant ?

" And we shall eliminate all non 'pure' crocodiles from our waterways and sewers ! Only western crocodiles shall remain .... the original Aryan crocodile shall reign supreme ! "

careful there Stosh .... if you do not agree with what he says ... and do as he instructs YOU will be tagged as a Nazi by the Voidisyinyang's 'stick you in the 'appropriate' box ' categorizing system

Chinese dragon is beautiful, handsome and brings good luck and fortune . European dragon is is ugly, beastly and represents the animal lust which must be suppressed . They threaten maidens and brave young men must rescue the maidens from their lust .... I mean the dragon's lust ! Voidisyingyang seems to have confused the two ... externally and internally . Inner conflicts ;

Imagine what it would be like meeting and talking to this guy in 'real life' OMG !

Indeed ! WE can see how you spend your time and what your preferred reading material is : get back on them meds, Bro ! ... Seriously ... you will feel a LOT better after you take them !

Wow ! I would never have said that ' taoism is from Indo Europeans ' ! But if you want to believe such Eurocentric rubbish .... go for it ( it will make a nice contribution to your collection ) Painting of Husheng ( ' Aryan ' Pishdadian King ) in the Shahnama of Shah Tahmasp. Husheng was succeeded by his son, Tahumers, who in turn was succeeded by Jemshid. ...... etec .... and his nobles rose against him. .... , and as a result of his doings, placed an Arabian king by the name of Zohak on the throne of Persia. Chinese , Central Asians, Arabians ... ruling as Kings in an 'empire' of claimed (by Voidisyinyang ) 'pure Aryans' .

next thing he will discover my secret Moon base !

I even said the term PIE is misleading and I prefer the more modern designation of PII ie .... I even removed the Eropean word and replaced it with Iranian and quoting two words together ... out of a whole post - to prove I am a Nazi ....classic ! lets see what I can come up with f I do that to you ?

Sure is ! Are you now trying to claim that I have written the ARYAN UNITY BULLETIN No.7 - November 2001 ? Have you had today's meds yet ?

No But I have an M A ( McDonald's Apprentice ..... in long distance woman orgasm causing via Qi )

I said it was from pre -history right at the beginning so ummmmm noooo ... historical evidence doesnt show it ..... except for things like this ... and others ... Oh look , there is Aria ... the country of the Aryans ; Ptolemy - World (90-168 CE) Not anymore it doesn't .... it's been edited Oh ? How come your careful analysis revealed ; Where was that claimed ? Except by you, in your Nazi rant ? And, you are one that harps on about skin colour - not once have I mentioned it or associated it with anyone . Wonderful .... since you previously rated on about ot meaning ' noble ' which came from a Sanskrit translation Oh please .... point out where I said there was an " Aryan Europe " .... I would love to see that Ohhhh , I see, I didnt actually say any of that ... but YOU knew what I was up to eh ? Thats why you keep changing what I wrote t what I really mean ..... and I am the neo nazi propagandist ? ..... this just gets better and better yes, any claim made like that would be false . Give you a post or two and I am sure you will be claiming it yourself ..... you can then refute it after spending hours of close scrutiny over peer reviewed papers to prove what no one said is not true . Oh ! I never made that connection before ! Thanks (now to shuffle some dates and lie about that so I can add it to my nefarious story ) yes ... those 'principles' can last a long time underground ... until someone digs them up More racist ramblings . here is a hint .... look at the development of ' domestication of livestock' instead of anything so general and blurry as 'farming' . Farming started al over the place in different areas . It dodnt have to start in one area and then spread . That's an old school British Empire Old Boys imperialism ..... oh , hang on ... old school British Empire Old Boys imperialism 1st ; Pigs , goats, sheep , Mesopotamia , afterwards Cattle - Indus area . 'Bactrian camel ' transport . The horse people were from the north .... a mixing is what allowed the expansion of farming ( ever tried plowing with a goat or a pig ? Its rather hard work . Anyone else can put the pieces together .... I know you cant , but that's okay . .

Wand to Cup * , Lance to Grail , Spear to Cauldron ... depending on the tradition. I have done the first two but not the third. * some say this should be dagger . Once a 'wiccan priestess' insisted at me it should be dagger ( 'athame') , when I said , "If, as you said, the cup is the ' Yoni ' well, I suppose its up to you then, if you prefer a dagger in there instead of a wand ', it made her reconsider my argument . Also it is rather hard to get a lance in a grail! ( ya gotta hold it near the head and not have the end waggling around behind you so it doesnt put the deacons eye out )

Ohhh ... I nearly forgot to offer a sample of ...

You seem confused . Why should DNA evidence and linguistic evidence show that IE languages and culture IS isolated from near east farming ? You dont seem to realise what you are arguing ... which is a shame after all the racing around the internet you dd looking for evidence that you seem to think supports whatever it is you are trying to say . .... and all that copying and pasting ( not to mention the highlighting and playing with the size button . I especially liked the bit where you seemed surprised when you discovered there were 'waves of farmers' and others coming into an area. Not only that .... hold o to your hats folks a giant revelation is about to be made ; people also , just might have ... gone in and out of areas and back and forwards ! Its a simple exercise to track movement ; up out of Ethiopia , follow the coast line, as I said earlier , cross the two sandbars over the red Sea and Persian Gulf entrance . Tracking the coast is a good way to go east west there without getting lost. Ingress to the north was up the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf, into Mesopotamia . Or cross the sand bar and keep going along the coast to the east and you get to the North Arabian Sea shore line , one can ingress north there as well, Then you get to the Indus , after that the coast goes south . The Indus and areas west offer ingress up and over into lower Central Asia another good settlement area . All well before the bronze age . Keep going and you in the Steppe , or take a right and into China .... you are either following land forms or the coast east west ot going north south using the stars ( which you cant do going east west ) All the routes were already well established and people going back and forwards, then we are heading towards the Bronze age and sea travel . Places like Dilman , between the Indus centres and Sumer and Qatar, back across the water shows Babylonian presence . The next stage was a re-meeting in Central Asia, the Steppe people came 'down' the indus people came 'up' ( there were trading centres in Central Asia showing signs of early Indus culture ) there were people already living there (in Places like Kara- kum (now) desert . Then a ' culture' or a 'connection between people' started to develop, that was later to be known as Aryan , named after the country they first formed that cultural connection 'hub' and or enclave . The PIE languages may have been developed as a 'trade language' The influences out of PII culture were equally cyclic, 'in and out' ..... SOME of those influences went into Europe and joined in with other influences there or coming into it . Just as several components came together to form the 'Aryans ' One must really get away from all this straight line , orderly progression models ... ( especially if one professes to be a Daoist or understand 'the void' )

Possible Origins of Greek-Persian Connections It is our impression that Greek-Persian connections can be traced to the era following the creation of the sixteenth Aryan land, Ranghaya, the last Aryan land to be mentioned in the Zoroastrian scriptures, the Avesta (please see our map the Aryan lands). The following are some factors that lead us to this impression: - In mythology, there appear to be connections Aryan, Hittite and Greek mythology (see Parallels in Greek & Aryan Myth above). - In Greek mythology Persephone, Perseus & Perses appear to record elements of the connection. - The legend of Prometheus centres around the Caucasus Mountains - From Ranghaya, Aryan groups could have fanned out and continued spreading along the Aryan trade roads: - north to Caucasus Mountains, and from there along the southern Black Sea coast - West to the Hittite lands and - Further west to the shores of Asia Minor to what would become Ionian Greece - By this reasoning the earlier pre-Greek settlements would have been the west and northwest coasts of Asia Minor - South-west to the Mitanni and Aramaean lands - South-east to Media (alternatively Media could have emerged from the twelfth Vendidad land, Ragha) - South-south-east to Persia - Aryan traders would have maintained interaction between the different groups - Greeks referred to Greek allies of Persia as Medized Greeks, considering Persians to be Medes - King Darius the Great gave Greek aristocrats special access to the Persian court - The establishment of the Persian empire by Cyrus included for the main part historic Aryan lands or lands along the Aryan trade roads . http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/olympicflame/page2.htm#parallels

" Given that the timing of the first Neolithic inhabitants to reach Crete 9,000 YBP coincides with the migration of Neolithic farmers out of Anatolia, it is highly probable that the same ancestral population that spread to Europe also spread to Crete and contributed to the founding of the early Minoan civilization,” the authors wrote in 2013. “It has been suggested that in addition to agricultural methods, the Anatolian farmers also brought with them the Indo-European language. The current prevailing hypothesis is that the Minoan language was unrelated to the Indo-European family. Alternatively, as suggested by Renfrew, Proto-Minoan was one of the branches derived from the Proto-Indo-European language about 9,000 YBP.” It is interesting to note that Minos was a son of Zeus and the Phoenician mortal Europa, who gave Europe its name. Some mythographers say Europa was not a mortal but was the Great Goddess of Indo-European religions. http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/origins-mysterious-minoans-unraveled-scientists-004388

San religion - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_religion The San religion is the religion of the San people. Contents. [hide]. 1 Mythical figures; 2 Trance ... Cagn is said to have created the moon which holds special significance to the San people; the phase of the moon .... Images of conflict and war-making are not uncommon. Same with the indigenous here ..... we would not call it war ... but they immediately adopted our term 'war' for what they did do ! They ones I know of, did it with two long lines facing each other one on one . One side would concede , or the one with men left standing , winner ..... problem settled (supposedly ) .

I have written briefly about the old way of 'early agriculture' and man's better relationship with the earth (instead of 'over it ' ) and how well the Aboriginals managed their societies and environments over millennia . But if modern people that hate western culture ever tried to live that old way ........ Man ! You should see the scars on my teacher's leg .... 'discipline ' instant ! from a minor ' law ' infraction .... as a kid ! The only thing that held it all together was the Law .. and their ability to enforce the Law ! " Ohhh , errrr, hi fellas ..... ummm ... honestly, I didnt mean too it was an accident .... ' Accident ! ? ..... you can use one shield then ! "

Indeed ! But why did you start all that up in the first place with your own misplaced ranting eg ' infering I was natzi and all that goes with that ?

Okay thats enough of that. YOu are revealing even more of your limitations now, and I see any debate or revleation does not mean you will take it on board .... but for anyone else that reads this ; The Australian 'Aborigines ' (note the plural ) are a wide, diverse collection of groups, with different traits, varieties of beliefs and cultures ... to proscribe any one set of beliefs over them collectively can be wrong . I know of traditions here where the Moon is male , most definitely ... and violent ! and scary ! You come sit down here and I tell you alllllll about that nasty old Moon man ! And you better listen ... he come down here ... do his angry dance < stomp stomp stomp > then you had it ! Raaaagghhh ! < Ah hem ! > ; " Movements of peoples and intermixing and 'going in and out and back again' to different other localities has been going on a loooong time . "

Yes, but Jesus ended all that by .... ,,,,,,, oh !

and that .... is one reason why I choose to use the more modern term ' Proto Indo Iranian ' (as I earlier pointed out ) , over PIE Proto Indo European. The 'Aryans' were but a part of many dynamics and were only active in certain areas . To use PIE , to me, is incorrect as some can think they are the source of 'European people ' . Movements of peoples and intermixing and 'going in and out and back again' to different other localities has been going on a loooong time .