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Nope ! Go back and read what I DID write ! and ALLLLLL the references I made to explain it . Ummmm ... if one WERE to extrapolate as you are ... the above would seem to infer that the 'Aryan' King was Chinese ! My claim ? Or what your mistaken ideas of about what my claim actually is ? If the 2nd , ... I agree then ... that is hilarious Ah yes ... google ''' the modern man;s educator okay, I play your stupid game and see what my computer puts up as first google hits < types in ' old aryan empire' > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_peoples ... do you even know how your google works ??? and why it throws certain sites up first . 'Aryan Empire ' ( note the punctuation marks ) is a collection of ' Nations ' (not the punctuation marks ) You a funny guy ..... do you know what it means when someone puts some thing in these things " .... " ?

Before I go , though, for more rational others ... I never said where the people that came into Central Asia came from . Errrrmmmm .... all one has to do is follow the coast line out of Africa, through Ethiopia , hop a few 'sand bars' that blocked the two entrances to Red Sea and Persian Gulf .... and you are at the Indus and up into Central Asia . and we have good evidence of trade between ancient Tigris Euphrates area, Central Asia ( via southern shoreline and the Indus valley.

and now, you are putting up your own quotes and sources and you are criticising and mocking them yourself .... okay then , go for it ! Okay , I am out of here ... have fun with that .

What a great source ! and a post of quotes with no comments to show what point it is you think you are making .... .. and some 'selective quoting' as well ... well done ! Would you like some words you dont know so you can rush and look them up and try to find something to support your views of insisting Nazi definitions must be the ones that hold weight ? Looking at your quote ; Its some other dudes opinion . non referenced from a 'give your opinion site' and its worded like rubbish ! It is well known in the fields of anthropology and Archaeology that 'Empire based' Eurocentric views misinterpreted evidence up to a time when ( strangely enough other peoples and 3rd word countries started getting their own academic researchers and trained people in these fields. and ) 'evidence based ' research * began to hold sway . Before this the 'theory' was Aryan invasion of India. After that and after much more archaeology was done, the 'migration theory' became more prominent . There is also teh OOI theory (out of India theory ) which postulates anything from , a reversal of this process , to replacing Africa as the origin of mankind , its strongly supported by The Indian nationalist Party and fundamentalists that take the Vedas as literal historical truth . * See Toby Wilkinson ' A History of Ancient Egypt - From the First Farmers to the Great Pyramid ' ... he has a special section in it describing the reasons for , the advent of and how 'evidence based research' developed within archaeology .

here is more infor on Aryans ... from an academic historical perspective ... not quick google of the word'Aryan' , nor wiki , nor listening to ranting ; Who were the Aryans? Aryans of the Avesta and Rig Veda The Indo-Iranian group whose members composed the Zoroastrian scriptures, the Avesta, and the Hindu scriptures such as the Vedas, called themselves Aryans (Airya/Airyan in the Avesta and Arya/Aryan in the Vedas). The Zoroastrian and Hindu scriptures are the only known ancient texts that contain references to Aryans. Of these two sources, the Avesta contains the preponderance of references to being Aryan, a concept central to the Avesta and Zoroastrian heritage. The next contemporaneous references are in the inscriptions of the Achaemenian Persians (see Achaemenian History as well as our page on Naqsh-e Rustam), and classical Greek texts such as those of Herodotus and Strabo [Aria, Arioi, Ariane etc.], where the the references are exclusively regarding the Medes' and Persians'ancestry and their Central Asian connections. Similarity in Avestan & Rig Vedic Languages The languages of the two scriptures, the Zoroastrian Avesta and Hindu Rig Veda, are similar but not identical, indicating that at the time of their composition, the people of the Avesta and the Rig Veda were related and close neighbours - in a fashion similar to two provinces within one country - provinces where the people spoke two dialects of the same language. The following is an example of the closeness of the Avestan Old Iranian and Rig-Vedic (Sanskrit) languages: Old Iranian/Avestan: aevo pantao yo ashahe, vispe anyaesham apantam (Yasna 72.11) Old Indian/Rig Vedic: abade pantha he ashae, visha anyaesham apantham Translation: the one path is that of Asha, all others are not-paths. [The Rig-Vedic translation of the Avestan was provided to this writer by Dr. Satyan Banerjee.] For further information, please see the Avestan Languages page. Aryan Homeland At the time the earliest sections of the Avesta and Rig Veda were composed, the Aryans were residents of the Aryan lands or Aryan nation, called Airyana Vaeja or Airyanam Dakhyunam in the Avesta and Arya Vartain the Hindu scriptures. In the Avestan and Hindu texts, Airyana Vaeja or Arya Varta was a beautiful but mysterious mountainous land (see Airyana Vaeja as Paradise). While the precise location of the original Aryan homeland is lost to us, we have been left with ample clues which allow us to draw reasonable conclusions about its likely location, the mountain regions of Central Asia. We further discuss the possible location of Airyana Vaeja in our Aryan Homeland Location page. Airyana Vaeja and the other nations of the Avesta are further referenced and listed in the Aryan Homeland in Scripture page. The name Airyana Vaeja was contracted over the years to Airan Vej, Iran Vej (in Middle Persian texts) and finally to Iran. The two Indo-Iranian Aryan groups eventually ceased to be close neighbours. They separated and migrated to present day India and Iran, becoming Indians and Iranians in the process. Therefore, as an added definition, the Aryans were those members of the Indo-Iranian family who originated in Airyana Vaeja or Arya Varta, the Aryan homeland. Reasons for Aryan Migration The reasons for the migration of the Aryans are discussed in the Aryan Homeland in Scripture page. The reasons for the separation of the two Aryan groups could have been a widening difference in their religious beliefs - beliefs that were antithetical to one another, but beliefs that nevertheless shared common roots. The separation is discussed further in the page on Aryan Religions. Climate change and a degradation of the food production capability of the original homeland could also have been a reason or an added reason. Aryan History The history of the Aryans is found in the scriptures of the original Aryans, the Avesta, the Vedas, supporting religious texts, and the legends as well - legends such as the Shahnameh of Ferdowsi. Historical evidence of Aryan trade and conquests provide supporting information. The early history of Zoroastrianism is closely intertwined with the history of the Aryans - a history we examine in some detail starting with our page on the Prehistory of the Aryans. http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/aryans/prehistory.htm and the westerners views on what they think 'Aryan' means ; http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/aryans/western.htm

In 'old school' anthropology Caucasian was one of the main ( 5 I think) 'racial' designations ; their characteristics were basically, a wide range of skin tone colours from white to brown, mixed hair colours (but included 'red' ) and mixed eye color. I am eben down on the 'European' designation as in PIE , in languages, religions and peoples ( ie. Proto Indo European ) and prefer the newer designation some are trying to replace it with PII - Proto Indo Iranian , which described the pre and post stages of their cultures better. Any European culture came much much later 'Homeland' ..... or Urheimat ? If we are talking linguistics - its urheimat ? A very different concept https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urheimat#Indo-European_homelands I am not a single answer sort of guy . I have studied these cultures fairly deeply and the archaeological evidence in the field indicates to and from dynamics, different peoples, even origins in that area going back to the paleolithic. We have evidence of an 'Indus Valley Culture' having a trading post ... heaps north of the Kush , up in 'Bactria ' , way before any PIE movement into into NE India sub-continent . Those that study this (mostly from Russia and/or the area in question) see the area as a third centre of human development and the first urban complexes, along with Tigres and Euphrates Valleys and the NIle Valley. Ref ; https://archive.org/details/HistoryOfCivilizationsOfCentralAsiaTheDawnOfCivilizationEarliest I also remind people that I am NOT suggesting Europeans 'Aryans' or anyone else 'civilised' China . I mean , I even talked about a Chinese looking Emperor from part of the 'Aryan' Pishdadian Empires ! But I am sure some people here will read that and hallucinate their own meanings into it . ( with all the rabid foaming and insulting language and giant bolded fonts that go with it

..... there is no Aryan 'race' , it is a cultural designation as in PIE that describes language and culture ..... If peeps can get off their aberrant Nazi brainwashing , they might realise there was once a country called Aria . Thats were the word comes from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aria_(region) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariana

You really should get an education ( from academia and NOT youtube ! )... and some glasses ; I specially wrote in the opening post .... for ignoramus such as you ; I have posted here elsewhere " how the Aryans were not to be defined by race or ethnicity " .

I better not spell shit out in hebrew letters ......

and that one is 'circular' but not 'a circle '... the end didnt quite make it .

Yes, thats a circle ... note : there is no looping around with the end flappin' space .

Aha ! I wondered who your teacher was !

NO , it is about how to 'rise up' ( straight , spine, tent pole, 'kundalini' ) with 'support' ( prop or rope and tent peg ) balance , equalisation of forces, stability, connection to earth and meet 'your angel' Fallen angel is devil ayin eye third eye . Lucifer is light (enlightenment) .... church dont want that - 'evil' . Look , I will help you out with some basics There are 3 elemental letters ( air fire water , the 'Mother letters' ) , 7 planetary letters and 12 zodiacal letters. the same arrangement as the tarot trumps ; 3 elemental, 7 planetary and 12 zodiac ) This is Hermetic Kabbalah , and this is NOT orthodox or Judaism and certainly not orthodox Judaism . HOwever it is extracted from some orthodix Judaism ( well mystical 'orthodox' Judaism ) the cube of space ; the three mothers are the 3 dimensions of space ... have a deep good look into this . very rewarding . However

nope a circle looks like this O , ooo they do not have those 'tails' up on the right hand corner

Ha! Classic misconception ! When the shadows slink and slither, And the goblins all parade; Then reason is a broken reed At the devil's Masquerade. Don't believe the human eye In sunlight or in shade. The puppet show of sight and sense Is the Devil's Masquerade. Demons Drink from human skulls And souls are up for trade. Take wine and drugs and join us in The Devil's Masquerade. Only a Magus and a Knight trueborn And a virgin unafraid, Can walk unharmed amid the dance Of the Devil's Masquerade. n't believe the human eyeIn sunlight or in shadeThe puppet show of sight and senseIs the Devil's Masquerade.

Well , some martial arts teachers recommend that ... only learn a few techniques and concentrate on that when you feel you have to defend yourself . Otherwise, if you try to learn too much , at this stage , you will be falling all over yourself .

No they dont rule out fraud at all . This is just some mantra you got programmed by .... and you cannot seem to refrain from chanting it . They were NOT controlled conditions nor proper investigators ... they even gave that away with their commentary ! A brain bleed ? That can be serious , ya know .

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mem relates to water elemental .... in Tarot this is 'The Hanged Man' and represents an 'immersion process' and is an elementally attributed tarrot Trump, where the Devil is attributed to the Zodiac. And any 'orthodox ' Jew would have your hide for suggesting there is even relationship to Tarot and Kabbalah or alphabet. This is hermetic Kabbalah. You are making stuff up yourself as you go along and trying to justify it with orthodoxy ... aren't you Do a bit of research first ; http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/alphabet_letters_mem.html and get some glasses mem (final ) Samekh samekh

Well, yeah ... the original form of O is a circle ... but the original form of Samekh is a prop or tent peg ... this is very basic Kabbalah. And the devil is ayin ... not Samekh ... Samekh is related to Sagittarius ... which even looks like a 'tent peg' and needs to be attributed to Art or 'Temperance ' a stage in 'Alchemy' , especially internally . And all these are arranged as they are to fit on the Tree of Life , a kabbalistic schemata

Yeah ..... it has always been 'easier' for man to break down and wreck things than it was to build them up .

which leads me to open a new topic ....

Hmmm .... actually , one factor was just government and a strange new principle that arose in the word " Good Kingship" . Not very anarchistic is it ? They popped up now and again .... but one cannot guarantee the next one would be . Cyrus was known to be one ... he even released the Jews and sent them home in a big entourage with supplies riches ( and a new scripture ), and resources to re build their temple . Its an old world Zoroastrian principle that just seemed crazy, why would a KIng want to do that, and what possible benefit could one get ? The probably didnt realise that Zoroastrianism taught to do good works for no other reason than the sake of it . That it always worked , but when it did , people liked it ; " "I am Cyrus, emperor, king of kings, king of Babylon, king of Sumer and Akkad, king of the four quarters of the world, son of Cambyses, great king, king of the city of Anshan, grandson of Cyrus, great king, descendant of Teispes, great king, king of Anshan, of the lineage of kings whose reign is blessed by Bel and Nabu, and whose kingship they are pleased to protect. "Amid jubilation and rejoicing, I entered Babylon in peace to establish a just government and strive for peace. My troops wandered peacefully throughout Babylon. In all of Sumer and Akkad, I gave no cause for fear and no one was terrorized. I concerned myself with the needs and welfare of the citizens of Babylon, Sumer and Akkad, and with promoting their well-being. I freed them from their improper oppression & bondage. I healed their afflictions and put an end to their misfortune. I restored their dilapidated dwellings. I gathered and assisted the displaced held in bondage, to return to their homes. "I rebuilt sanctuaries and chapels that lay in ruins. The deities of Sumer and Akkad that Nabonidus had, to the fury of the people, brought to Shuanna, I returned unharmed to their rightful sanctuaries. I have returned all the deities to their sanctuaries and restored their temples. " http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/achaemenian/cyrus.htm

Just a quick question Shinto ; Why when you do 'your Kabbalah' do you use modern forms of letters and say that letter is a circle ? When it is actually Samekh (there is no c in Hebrew ) and its original form is either based on a hieroglyph for a tent peg / some kind of prop (s'mikhah, Hebrew: סמיכה‎‎, or t'mikhah, Hebrew: תמיכה‎‎, in modern Hebrew means to support), and thus may be derived from the Egyptian hieroglyph djed.[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samekh

There have been times and places in the past where Jew Muslim and Christian shared the same city and pretty much got on with each other. Some scattered locations are / were ? a bit like that . Even where there is conflict between them now, I have heard some say 'It didnt used to be like this .' When I ran a religious studies course, we looked at different religions and situations and examined what in them leads to this type of peace and what sort of things and attitudes lead to conflicts .. It was a constant navigation of trying to keep the course on track. But we came to some good conclusions.