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From an outside observation : you asked a question, he was 'go ahead' and you did . Then without you making another post he responded to it, at first mildly then made more with increasing agitation and accusations at you rising in a crescendo to this stage . Weird . He did the same to me ; I posted on Kabbalah saying it was the hermetic version and not the traditional Jewish version ; first he said he was glad I made that distinction but soon started arguments with me about what I wrote not being the traditional Jewish version, accusing the tradition of stealing from Judaism and then went overboard suggesting all sorts of things originated in Judaism ... which I started making posts showing that was not true . he then decided to be my rival and criticize my ... well, just about anything . then he started making obscure threads where broadcast to others how I was on ignore , one time filling nearly half a page of repeated same notifications to him that he had hid my posts with a "This is what I see on this page " DUUUDE ! .

Thats his way . Its a strange way .

Why ?

I cant answer that question . Which esopteric communities ? They have varied structure and are not all the same . I'm not even sure what an 'esoteric community ' is . I shall penetrate your thought stream ...... " Is this ( the gun cupboard analogy ' ) why some societies keep their magical technologies secret ? yes, to an extent . But the idea is you go through levels , hopefully to develop some /maturity and responsibility ' before you get to the 'other stuff' . .

Venus matters This illustration shows what’s called the 5 petals of Venus. It shows a simplified geocentric – Earth-centered – plot of the orbit of Venus over 8 years, from 2016 to 2023.

You prefer the 6 to the 5 ? So does Saturn ; It used to be a pentagon . Jupiter's Pentagon Turns Hexagon | Nasa juno, Juno spacecraft, Gas giant

I dont like it because it doesnt make any sense ! How does telling someone your story equate with ignoring it ? Anyway Ascetic , do you think it just might have anything to do with this .......

I could not post the link , its in reddit . . So it appears they where not under the influence of Rabbis that said it was an heretical book . Like the Bishop of Canterbury doesnt take orders from the Pope . Some Jews did accept it ; "Copies of the earlier sections of 1 Enocoh were preserved among the Dead Sea Scrolls in the Qumran Caves.[2] They were kept by a Judaic splinter group not aligned with the mainstream Jewish sect of Pharisees. The Book of Enoch, alongside numerous other texts discovered in the caves, is recognized for its substantial variance from Rabbinic Judaism " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch and some didnt; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbinic_Judaism

They have the 'real' Ark of the Covenant too ! There is a story that during Exodus the Jews split and some went south , eventually to Ethiopia . Supporting 'evidence' for this is that there was a 'Jewish Settlement' on Elephantine Island in the Nile ( and some cite that as 'proof' that the Kingdom of Israel was ancient - but as an be seen in the flow charts for the borrowing and transference of 'Diety' , Gods and God names , at the beginning of my 'Construction of Judaism ' thread , this offers little proof of much ) . The thing is , errrm .. they just LEFT Egypt after causing ( supposedly ) horrific problems , plagues, infanticide , etc and had the Egyptian army hot on their tails (only to be drowned in the Red Sea ) . .. and then a portion of them turned back and said " WE have decided we want to go back to Egypt ." and Egypt said " Well, okay then ... but what about 'Let my people go ! " and that little matter of killing all our firstborn kids ?" Obviously we have to look elsewhere , but its interesting they accept a different reduction of the Bible than the other Jews . We know why the Rabbinical Jews didnt accept it ; " The main reason for Jewish rejection of the book is that it is inconsistent with the teachings of the Torah. From the standpoint of Rabbinic Judaism, the book is considered to be heretical. For example, in 1 Enoch 40:1–10, the angel Phanuel presides over those who repent of sin and are granted eternal life. Some claim that this refers to Jesus Christ, as "Phanuel" translates to "the Face of God".[b] Another reason for the exclusion of the texts might be the textual nature of several early sections of the book that make use of material from the Torah; for example, 1 En 1 is a midrash of Deuteronomy 33.[10][c] The content, particularly detailed descriptions of fallen angels, would also be a reason for rejection from the Hebrew canon at this period – as illustrated by the comments of Trypho the Jew when debating with Justin Martyr on this subject: "The utterances of God are holy, but your expositions are mere contrivances, as is plain from what has been explained by you; nay, even blasphemies, for you assert that angels sinned and revolted from God." But their collation of texts , as I have been saying , came from a much later period and was relevant to the situation of trying to create a retrograde Israeli state as the smaller south Israel area around Jerusalem wanted to create an Empire that supposedly existed previously, to justify their expansion in to the previously larger northern Judea, now decimated after the conquering , ruling and withdrawal of the Assyrians there . The south expanded to fill the vacuum in the north . Anyway , this split off that went south was supposedly the Tribe of Dan . It seems that there where Jews there in the far past , historically . " According to Jewish traveler, Eldad ha-Dani, the Tribe of Dan established their own kingdom in Ethiopia, "They went by way of Egypt further down the upper Nile River and settled in Ethiopia, in East Africa. The Danites were great warriors, and after fighting many battles against native tribes, they established themselves securely, with a kingdom of their own." Marco Polo and Benjamin of Tudela also mention the existence of an Ethiopian Jewish community. " Ethiopian Jews are Biblical, pre-Rabbinic Jews. They have the Torah (Written Law) but not the Talmud (Oral Law). Why ? Because , of course , another scam is going on here " It has been proven that they [Ethiopian Jews] actually started out as Christian schismatics. They adopted a form of Old Testament Judaism as a way of rejecting Christianity. So actually, their scripture was originally really just the Christian bible from which the Christian parts were removed. Both the Beta Israel oral traditions and the testimony of their literature offer strong evidence that crucial components in their religious system developed no earlier than the fourteenth or fifteenth century. Beta Israel accounts of their history trace virtually all major elements of their religion to the influence of the originally Christian monks Abba Sabra and Sagga Amiak. Monasticism, purity laws, holidays, literary works and the prayer liturgy are just few of the features credited to these culture heroes. While doubtless a somewhat idealized and condensed view of their role, it finds support in ... (oh oh ... it got 'archived ' 'thread closed for review ' )

Nothing to see here ... just the birds . " Swarm robotics is the study of how to design independent systems of robots without centralized control. The emerging swarming behavior of robotic swarms is created through the interactions between individual robots and the environment.[1] This idea emerged on the field of artificial swarm intelligence, as well as the studies of insects, ants and other fields in nature, where swarm behavior occurs.[2] Relatively simple individual rules can produce a large set of complex swarm behaviors. A key component is the communication between the members of the group that build a system of constant feedback. The swarm behavior involves constant change of individuals in cooperation with others, as well as the behavior of the whole group. ... " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarm_robotics " The use of swarm drones was also done by the Israel Defense Forces to find the rocket launchers situated in Gaza City. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarm_drone .

Another talk with Dr Finkelstein , not a 'lecture' this time . In these series he is more relaxed and I find erudite and easily comprehensible. for the non academic. Viewers might find this 'discussion format' easier watching . This is about the archaeological finds in the 'Levant' in the bronze Age , a time when the 'Empire of Israel was supposed to have existed (according to the Bible) . It is important background to be able to understand the 'retrovisionist ' writings of the later periods that claim events from this time , underpinned their validity and claims ... much later ... that is the construction of the state of Israel , projected back in time to attempt to give it some validity .

Let's blame China . They are weird enough to do that . remember the 'strange seeds ' thing (if you guys got that there ) . However this might not be just 'strange ops' * ... considering the targets .... what comes next ? or maybe they have them 'Elon Musk weapons neutralizers ' slung under them ? * strange ops ; eg. Soviet Germany ; while you are at work, agents break into your apartment , you normally keep 1 bottle of milk in fridge , so they put another two in there , maybe change the position of your radio , turn your shirts inside out and rehang them in the wardrobe , put a plug in the sink and fill it ... and then leave .

I find that all confusing ... of course it is 'something' to be a human being . the passage seems to relate to materialism Vs spirituality . In either view it must mean 'something; to be a human being , one way or the other . It looks like you are asking if the human being is purely a materialistic construct under the view of scientism ?

Is my fat stomach being a sign of fitness Biblically sound ? I mean lots of Bible characters where fat , so I must be fit . And if you disagree I shall attack you with vehemence, consider you a sinner and Jesus hater and assail you with illogical and crackpot responses until you fear for the future of a sane humanity ! There ! I hope ya learned ya lesson ! .

It looks like you are saying that Jesus saved you from the 'works of the Devil ' . What are these 'works of the devil' . Yes, visiting North Sentinal island is illegal , I think the Indian government patrols the waters around it ..... to protect them ! Can you guess what THEY are being 'saved' from ? here is a hint ; http://www.historyisnowmagazine.com/blog/2024/10/11/the-andaman-islands-and-why-we-need-to-protect-the-people-there

Now you are making up stuff you where never asked in the first place . Its JUST LIKE you are attributing those questions to Sir Darius However you seemed to have demonstrated and answer to some of his questions ... by that very post you made up of Q & A . and first you responded : " Dude. You're not anti for asking. Your friends aren't either. " then go on to make the above posts ? WTF ? and then YOU go off in huff ! .

Now you have yet again resorted to bad language and insults . Of course that has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the research Dr Finklestein showed to PROVE his case . yes, the readers WILL understand or not .... when they watch the video . The rest of the attempt at distraction comes after that , it in no way matches the interest and import of the video . Its too late now in this thread to shut down the info with diverse tricks

Another great lecture from Israel Finkelstein . That also supports my theories in the other thread 'Construction of Judaism' . As Dr Finkelstein pointed out . King David and Solomon are more like the legends of King Arthur ... 'myth' and constructed revisionism . Nearly everyone agrees other cultures myths are myths ... so why so stuck on this one as a reality ? We might find the brief introduction here gives us a clue . This is , for MANY westerners ; "... part of the reality that we learned as children and where part of our lives we assumed where the real history .... "

Look, you just are not going to get a straight answer from him . You got post bombed ! You should have asked me I would have said a simple 'No' and left it uop to you to challenge me on it . Now you have been given the pre-emptive strike in case you do make a challenge on the answer you didnt get in the first place .

The one I use ( to illustrate this rise of technology surpassing human intelligence and 'common sense ' ... or us being collectively used by our own very base drives and desires ) is that of a child ; he is still a child and does not understand responsibility or consequence of actions ( wisdom ) but ..... he has found Dad's gun cupboard open ..... whoop-eeee ! " Someone once compared Faust to the avatar of this age ; how he sold his soul to the devil (technology ) to get whatever he desired , easily ... and it lead to the loss of his soul . And you dont even have to die to loose your 'soul' first ... as we soon found out :

There is the 'apocryphal' Book of Enoch , thats easy to find and has been for some time ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch Its best to cite what part of it one wants to discuss . If your source is general and unknown then it could come from all the spin off stuff that has come out of that book and used out of context, in part or mixed in with other things to support all kinds of possible wacky agendas . The reference in the Bible is usually from Genesis 6 . Or In the Book of Enoch ; 1 Enoch 6 - 8 . [Chapter 6] 1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not 4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn 7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, 8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens. [Chapter 7] 1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones. [Chapter 8] 1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . . https://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_1.HTM

I am . I said it is simple : You said : " I ascribe to annihilationism. Its not a widely known teaching but it echoes Jesus words that 'only the saved are given eternal life.'" I asked you ; "Saved from what ? " You responded that I hate Jesus . ... and I am the one not making sense ? .

... and please dont keep posting off topic side conversations in this thread including ones with gummy bears cartoons , thanks .

No. I cant agree as I find your post too obscure and I dont know what you are asking me to agree to . There is a part quote from me , which was an answer to a previous question , followed by your comment of 'exactly ' . ? Exactly what ? Then you go on to talk about 'this method ' . What method ? Finklestien's research ? New in relation to what ? Are you asking me if archaeological research and compiling history misses a significant amount of information ? If so, then any 'significance' depends on the parameters of the investigation . Again see the beginning of 'Episode 1' for that . Its hard to comprehend without watching the video , a significant amount of information would be missed . Then you go on about 'standards are impossibly high ' . What standards ? Then you ask me to agree .

There was an paper published some decades ago about the people that preserved their culture the longest against colonial invasions ... it was called 'Kill them and eat them ! ' - its the only way to deal with some 'types'. " Put .... it ... in ... the ... curry ... "