Nungali

Oh .... I like this ! had a young friend that insisted on learning by her own mistakes . I agreed that can be valuable , but also, observation has its place . I would say to her ; " Cant you also learn from other's mistakes ? From observations ? " She felt she needed to do it .... oh well, she sure messed up a lot, and some effected others adversely ...... her life will never be the same again, or become what it should have ... which she constantly now laments about . Add this to your non-participating experience ;

Well, you dive into the pool (unconscious ) , you are bound to stir some mud up from the bottom ; " The student, if he attains any success in the following practices, will find himself confronted by things (ideas or beings) too glorious or too dreadful to be described. It is essential that he remain the master of all that he beholds, hears or conceives; otherwise he will be the slave of illusion, and the prey of madness. "

To the second part . I have always seen the conundrum, and there is no way out of it. Being old enough to witness the earlier form of the Mass in Latin, and being expected to learn some to be an assistant ( an attempt at making me an altar boy ..... fail ! ) even then at that age the question sprung to my mind; if we are supposed to do the Mass the way we are 'supposed to', then how can it be changed in order to attract more people. The answer is, the Pope says so, as he has a direct line in. The mechanics are flexible depending on any Pope 'updates' . The first issue above ; any 'operator' just isnt enough, he has to have church approval. No matter how perfect his techniques energy ritual understanding .... it is all null and void without proper 'spiritual' administrative approval . A defrocked priest cannot say Mass ...... he can however say a Black Mass This issue seems to encompass the old conundrum ; is Abracadabra a magic word that anyone can use as it holds power itself ? - Open sesame ! Or is it a tool that can only be used by those 'permissible' , that use a 'power' not contained in the word alone ? IMO those questions off the table, as that is not the reason for practice , not where I am heading.... for me, however, for religion priests and churchgoers, it is a different destination. I had experience with it in the past myself ( being once ordained the Gnostic Church. The same applies there , doesnt 'really work' unless the admin approves) . For me, with this, it is little different from any club or organisation. MY ability is changed in no way whatsoever if I do or dont do my black belt exam that my instructor has been harping on about for years . It has no effect on my ability to teach or coach either. It does have purposes related to things like marketing and 'authority' and hierarchy and 'important' stuff like that (and puts $180 in his pocket .

sounds like torture . We have this one kick ( That Mr Nishihira taught ) , only one guy in our club can do it ( I am not sure I can even describe it ! ) Sitting on floor with legs under you , the other punches at your head and the one sitting does a circular type of shuto block , rolls the wrist around and grabs the others wrist while rising on one leg and the other leg kicks up, as you are standing , then as the other leg straightens, the first is retracted and back on the ground and the other leg kicks . Its like that horrible exercise - 'bunny hops' with front kick added. I'm too old for all that now . . . . We been concentrating on knife work lately . When I was young and had better hips, I did some Sikaran .... man! those guys can kick ! .... kicked him in the head while his own other leg was trapped .

That above link was to the other story that referenced this one , here is the DL story ( and search function still works ) http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/41707-chat-room-sexcapades/page-2?hl=%2Bthe+%2Bdemon+%2Blover#entry703414

"Group Initiations" ?

did I ? Damn elusive thing !

Ha! I must have embarrassed the software , the search functon finally works for me ! http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/33168-bkas-guide-on-how-to-pickup-women-and-lizard-people/page-7?hl=%2Bthe+%2Bdemon+%2Blover#entry510779

A 'lesson' . I have two (main ) 'tantric' stories from 'either side of the coin'The Demon Lover' and 'The Egyptian' . I am sure I posted it here somewhere , the search function here has never given me a single result on anything though have a try . ( I can dig out my files if you need it )

Is this some sort of 'spell' ? ...... what ever happened to that bum that used to lament the same way , lived with his Gramps and was a bout to take off on a bike ride cross-country ?

We have ways of making you 'participate '

If he is anything like the Lamas I have had contact with yes ! One cracked me up ! and he was pretty ..... 'sharp' .... at some people .... they are looking at getting you to see your reactions and attitudes at times . Another time, at the Buddhist center . One goes ; 'We are out of milk , I am going to the shop. Do you want to come for a drive?" "Sure, why not . " We get in their car, its a bit hotted up, he does this big burn out fish tail and drives like a hoon . Something seemed really funny to me about that ..... he had robes on and stuff (street robes ) , he was a Tibetan and looked like one , so obviously a monk - how undignified !

or giving a lesson on English I am a similar 'Sufi prankster ' * at times ; In doctors surgery, I have not been happy with the doctors disinterest and unlistening to my described symptoms , he sciibbles on a script pad tears it off and says "Here, apply this to your rash twice a day. " I apply the script to my chest " It doesnt appear to be working ." he gives me a strange look and " No .... take that to the chemist and he will give you ..... " * also known 'down here' as a 'smart arse' .

According to Zoroaster there is a reason for living - it is to have a good life . 'His' teachings are geared towards that. Well, I suppose it is actually about making the best of your situation , not every one 'ends up' 'landing' in a good spot .

Some one could make a point of eliminating the existence of this damn quoting glitch plaguing us .

Stop asking me that .... look, we were going to run away and live on an island together, but we didnt , and I have no idea about her now missing whereabouts, I swear ! I mean, I never even left this country ! I supposed she maxed out on practice. Remember her new rule ? So many posts = so many circles. She made a lot of posts after that , probably still trying to catch up . That, and her 'spooky business ' would keep her busy. Besides, I doubt this 'comes back atchya x 3 business ' isnt up her alley ...... unless I am wrong and there is some trad reason somewhere for it ? I mean, aside from my 'law of three in one ' stuff ...... ohhhhhh ha ha .

What you are supposed to do is this : Dont listen to such 'advice' , especially if it is going to be taken the way you did , which, by the way, I find quiet valid. It can have some significance, depending on interpretation, but often it is supplied as the answer by those who have no answer , and prefer to be 'spiritually cryptic'

I know the pieces fit 'cause I watched them fall away. Mildewed and smoldering. Fundamental differing. Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers souls in motion Disintegrating as it goes testing our communication The light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us so We cannot seem to reach an end crippling our communication. I know the pieces fit 'cause I watched them tumble down No fault, none to blame, it doesn't mean I don't desire to Point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over. To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communication The poetry that comes from the squaring off between, And the circling is worth it. Finding beauty in the dissonance.

Cautious and relaxed ..... yes, great combination !

Wait ! ....... over analytical knowledge can spoil enjoyment ? Karl ! Have you read this ^ ?

Yes, that sounds like some modern wiccan sort of ' explanation ' .

I did ? I think it is entirely possible that Kabbalah, via way of Heremticism came into Europe and may have effected some traditions in some locations . That vid looks interesting, but I am on prepaid and that would use up a lot of credit to watch it - probably all my credit . (Its just this thing I do, I won't sign a contract, or anything with the provider, their conditions are unacceptable to me * , so I am stuck with expensive pay as you go . However if you know of a link to similar via text I would read it . ) * some would be outraged about this as I was, if they knew what goes on here, especially compared to other places. We are assured we get 'up to ' so much data per dollar - no speed on that data is assured ... and not many people here understand what 'up to ' actually means . Up to 1000 cherries for $10 ! Wow ! ..... pays $10 , gets 20 cherries .... 20 is within the range of 'up to' 1000 . Then there is this ..... I go to complain at their shop ; " I have your prepaid mobile device, I put $50 credit in it, it shows 5.0 on the screen. I go on line and do some stuff. I am finished, the screen shows 4.87 . I turn everything off. I check the modem later that day (as some charges, I know, can take some time to register ) - 4.87. I go to sleep for the night, no uses the computer, I live alone, no one has broken in and used my computer . In the morning ; no credit, need to recharge, cant go online . Where did my credit go ! Later that day, I turn it on again and .... 4.87 and I can connect What the hell is going on ? " Shop girl ( 'telstra expert ' ) " Did you watch a lot of movies? Movies use up credit ." What ? ! " Okay .... listen carefully : I have your prepaid mobile device, I put $50 credit in it, it shows 5.0 on the screen. I go on line and do some stuff. I am finished, the screen shows 4.87 . I turn everything off. I check the modem later that day (as some charges, I know, can take some time to register ) - 4.87. I go to sleep for the night, no uses the computer, I live alone, no one has broken in and used my computer . In the morning ; no credit, need to recharge, cant go online . Where did my credit go ! Later that day, I turn it on again and .... 4.87 and I can connect What the hell is going on ? " Shop expert : " But .... movies do use up a lot of credit . "