Nungali

Then again I suppose some cost is to be extracted if one calls up the wrong forces ;

Ohhhh ... the lazy Buddhist countries . Gotchya .

Lois ! Where you been ? had a haircut eh ? (Well, the top bit anyway )

Buddhist leaning countries ?

The answer is best given by Robinson Crusoe in 'Fridays Island' Friday's version of the story in the chapter ' How I came to learn the game of football '. (Its a book well worth reading ! ) They set some poles up either end of the beach, had a ball made of stuffed goat skins, Friday got incredibly bored while 'Master' explained all the rules to him, what he was and was not allowed to do .... and what would be done to him, if he tried to do what was not allowed. Eventually Master kicked off, Friday observed and here is the answer to your question ( the thread title ) .... he kicked the ball a little with his foot, chasing it and giving series of little kicks, then he did a big one and the ball went between the posts. Then he jumped up and punched his fist into the air and yelled out " YES ! " .... but then he turned around " Friday ! You are just standing there, you didnt even try to stop or chase me ?" "No , I didn't. But I watched you and saw what you did. I believe I have a better plan, and now, I also believe it is my turn to 'kick off' ? "Oh , you did , did you ? You have a plan have you? Yes, it is your kick off lets see what you can do ." Friday thought for a moment, rushed forward and kicked the ball, it sailed up over Crusoe's head, through the air and came down right between the posts at the other end of the beach . "How on earth did you learn to kick a ball like that Friday ? " "Learn ? I just made it up then . I took my spirit and made it 3 parts, I put one on my foot, one in the ball and one between the posts, then I just drew all three parts of my spirit together ." "Oh ... you did you ? This is football not witchcraft ! And I will thank you to remember this is a now a Christian Island and while you are here, you will act as a Christian and play football properly ... and no more hocus pocus ... play like a Christian ! " "It still counts though . " "I suppose so , that one all, best out of three , my kick off . " Friday now stands back from the line, Crusoe kicks the ball, Friday jumps up and grabs the ball with his teeth and starts running around with Crusoe trying to catch him , he runs between the posts and drops the ball . " Another goal, thats 2 to me I win ! " "No you didnt you cant do that ! " "And why not ? " "Its football Man ! Not bloody teethball ... you cant do that in football. " " Oh no .... I listened to every world you said and every rule, I didnt use my hands or arms to grab the ball , I didnt do this or didnt do that, I even sat there and listened to your 'history of football talk' ! All the way through it, you never said anything about not using your teeth ! " " Well, its just common sense Man ! For God's sake, no one uses their teeth when playing football ! " " Common sense ! Common sense ? None of this is common sense ! ...... two men running up and down between two lots of sticks on a beach with a ball made of goatskin ? "

Adult diapers are good for that

I bet you love that de-natured water Good old sensible plain water ... with the nature removed ...... Now there is a conundrum for the objectivist !

and you just spontaneously remembered it !

Good Lord Karl ! have you ever heard of this thing called 'relative' .... I would really love to know what motivates you to turn everything to absolutes and then take up a counter position against the absolutes that you created yourself . I for one, know what Marblehead means . I believe this has now become compulsive for you , and you really cant help but respond within the narrow parameters of your 'safe '' ' wheel ruts ' .

Thats my style .... and the places I have ended up ! I was totally spontaneous one day ... man was that an effort ! The constant watchfulness required to not slip back out of spontaneousness ! The end results were remarkable !

I'd support that . My friends daughter decided she was gong to be lion. So she just went ahead early with it. he kept harassing her about .... get off all fours and walk like a proper girl, stop answering me with a roar ! I didnt mind, I would give her a drink in a bowl on the floor and she would lap it up. She grew out of it after a couple of months .... I thought she would, why hassle her ?

The Higher Self .... thingo .... seems to me to be a part of the process to becoming 'the sage' , not the thing itself. Like the 'akh' is formed from the dynamics between ka and ba and other components . The 'Higher self' seems more like a component . The Zoroastrians speak of thee that come together to form a 'united fravashi ' . a fravashi is a divine spark we all have , a khvarenah is sort of like the 'true will' concept . When both are united ; United FravashiA person's spiritual components, that is, the person's urvan (soul), mainyu (spirit), fravashi and khvarenah can unite and the spirits of the departed are generally referred to collectively as that person's (united) fravashi:http://heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/overview/index.htm#components That would make a sage I would think

Oh yeah .... I am like ... totally spontaneous too !

Sounds like you are really unevolved old and grumpy ... not like me ... I am really enlightened and still expanding .... and the more I can expand .... the more hot air I can blow out

Its a way of making some sense of the phenomena you experience in life , especially socio-cultural relationships , with each other and to environment . Its basically about individuation within society, learning the give and take ; in a good society, the individual 'spirit' is supported and bought forth , it is seen as having something special to offer. In turn, the society has many benefits for the individual. The initiate learns about the value of the ' trade off ' between a certain amount of liberty and expression in exchange for not letting his 'Id ' run amok in his society, and the society also benefits him by protecting him against other 'amok Ids' . Basically they consist of distinct patterns ; eg; the child ( a man of nature , an animal is taught to be a cultural person in the first initiation series . later the cultural person becomes a 'magical person' . Often they emulate the major stages of life' birth , adolescence, adulthood, death . We all go though our levels of initiation - well, some fail at step 1 , but basically, we go though it our own way, no one has a monopoly on it . One form that has always been common is dramatic ritual ; in that the candidate learns possible behavioral modes and solutions for events he may yet encounter , or to help put in context events he has experienced. Such rituals offer learning expereince on multiple levels 'in action' ..... to help it sink in. Recent experiments have shown a similar dynamic can work ( quickly getting the message and learning in, so it is 'cemented' ) cam be done with AR learning , as the artificial reality one is 'in' via the senses, emulates this type of 'dramatic ritual' which is a stylized emulation of life experience, but often enacted by a more direct link into the unconscious . Maybe this is one of our first 'initiation temples' ? : (do watch the whole thing when you have time . )

No way there would be an unbroken line ..... maybe some dotted lines ? This one is interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidis but accretions are always picked up over time, unless there is a total isolation happening

OH! Gosh, after reading what Karl said about you , I had not realized ! You actually sound like a half decent chap after all . ...

Like a child he said ... not a new born baby . Why do you always instantly twist things to the most silly scenario and then go about attacking it ! ? The funny thing is Karl .... when I hear this statement of being like a child , for some reason, I get flash backs of the happy parts and wonder and delight of my childhood. That you instantly react the way you do ( not respond, but react, and that is triggered by emotional response , and that is triggered by whatvere happens to you when you read a certain type of post ) is quiet telling . I dont even get where this one is coming from, it makes little sense ... oh wait ! Thats right , I have to remember you are going to interpret what Marbles said , twist it a bit, put your own definition on it and then go on the attack - against your own definition

" NO! Swim across the current , not against it ...... NO! stop fighting it ..... swim with it until you get out of the drag then swim across until you are out of the current , NO - you will wear your self out .... Karl ... you cant fight the power of the ocean .... Karl ! come back ...... Kaaarrrl ! Oh crap ! " What the hell was that about ? Are you crazy ! " " I didnt want to show evasion and moral cowardice of the worst kind ."

I think you can find much better sources of information on Crowley than that book . Or from Wicca ..... or from a 'Wiccan' that calls herself ' Thelema ' , or a 'male witch' who was actually a stage magician and toured around doing a 'Black magic Show' . I am not sure what you mean about 'this part of your life ' ? What part of your life ? Oh .... yeah, you dont answer questions about that .... what ever it is

Ones state of mind relates to ones health and speed of recovery . Thats basically it, I think. Do placebos actually eliminate disease .... or just ease symptoms ?