Nungali

Look Brian ,,, stop being unfair and a bully okay ... they guy had to run off for burger and coke ....

N Nah ... you walk to the front and make a statement , when you are challenged on that ,,, thats when you run to the back 'for a coke' ... now, excuse me, I am off .... I need a burger .

Warning ! Karl ahead ;

Karl ... I would like to take this opportunity to send deeply apologies to you for any perceived anything that you may have been offended by ... come 'ere bro .... come on ....

That is of no consequence .... when Karl is fishing

Why do you say that ? In my studies the Tree of Life , particularly in 'Western kabbalah', certainly deals with 'things' as well as forces. For example, some things classified under that system ; Mineral and vegetable drugs , animals, plants, incenses and perfumes, gems and minerals, magical weapons, colors, and LOTS more . Simeon ben Halevi , to explain some principles of ToL classification in his book, even uses the systems of an automobile (engine, gears, driver, etc ) to explain functions and relationships between sephiroth . But you make an interesting point in that " universal application to any tradition, with equivalent functions being mapped to the tree. " This may be possible in any system .... its just how many divisions of classification one makes, I am assuming the same applies to an 8 , 16 or 64 level system of classification ... or a 4 or 5 level one (elements) 7 (planetary) 12 (astrological) 22 or 32 (kabbalah). . If any universal / natural principle is in action ( that is, not some human based arbitrary number division / classification ) it seems to lie in the relationship between the numbers, most specifically in the ' four patter' ; the four elements, 4 states of matter, 4 physical forces, the 4 main systems of the body .... even more specifically , how the first 3 relate to the 4th (but that is approaching a unified field theory ... and I better not get into that here )

I remember this from working with bio-dynamics; they use about 6 or 7 different Moon cycles (some of the ones you mentioned plus other, like the Moon opposition Saturn cycle ) * . I read a mention, not to do any type of agriculture , creative or destructive works, no gardening / agricultural work of ANY type when the Moon is crossing the ecliptic. I looked into it and it is also a tradition in many places; including S.E. Asia (where 'astrological agriculture' is practiced. So I started noting it on my Bio-Dynamic (that shows all these Moon cycles and associated practices ) .... on the next one coming up, there ended up being a massive tidal wave in Indonesia, the next one an earthquake somewhere else ... and so on. But I could never figure how to work out the location of where it might happen. *Full-New Moon 29.5 days Moon opposite Saturn 27.3 days Ascending-Descending Moon 27.3 days Moon Nodes 27.2 days Perigee-Apogee 27.5 days Moon in Zodiac Constellations 27.3 days http://www.biodynamics.in/Rhythm.htm

But will it be enough ? Should 'down to earth' low class, 'spritualist', Macca eaters even be here .... it's soiling things for the uppity, whole foods ,'real spiritual' , squeeky clean people. Apparently . Now thats ^ the sort of comment and poster 'they' want to get rid of .

It depends whether you are looking for the similarities or the differences. And one's view of those 'kabbalistic dynamics ' ( ie. whether one agrees with what you wrote about the Kabbalah or not ). I dont know enough about Daoism to make a similar evaluation on that - but I suppose that too has different 'schools of thought' ?

I am waiting for the secret midnight removal of the thread announcing the removal of the thread that got pitted ('cause we dont remove things here ) that got removed from the forum. And yeah, it is unusual isnt it ? Some one must have cried about it a REAL lot Anyway, t was all based on prudish old school sexist sexy stuff ..... and now its gone ! Oh yeah .... oh yeah

yes, you will loose good members, and the site will degrade .... everything does. I move from place to place and catch the good while it happens , but eventually, the good goes to shit ; in jobs, places, opportunities, groups , circles of friends, houses , etc . You wanna good time, you gotta play hopscotch , good time moves from there to here to over there. Then there are those that want to stop that ... for some reason .... I dont even think they are aware of their role ? Anyway , everything used t be a lot better, all over the place. I have had my fun, I will be dead before it gets unbearable . Wasnt that a nice cheery post ! Charm may take you far and leave you there without a prayer no one to care any place ... any place I hang my hat is someone else's home It seems to me - we are not alone . Don't know much I guess a lot Times I miss what I forgot Please forgive the way I live and how the dust surrounds us. It seems to me - we are born to roam like continental drifters from sea to shining sea from here to eternity out is wherever I am. ( Syd Staw - ' Crazy American ' )

... I thought you liked 'winding me up' ?

Who knows ? English terms are not suitable for such distinctions . It does nit seem a language that goes deep into the philosophical or theological, thats why we have to keep borrowing Sanskrit, Buddhist , Germanic etc terms to better explain such concepts . I can say spirit , but I have then to say ... not a type of ghost one but a type of spirit that ..... An ancient Egyptian might do better (Ka, Ba, Akh , etc .) .... or a Zoroastrian (Mainyu, Urvan , Fraveshi ) ... or anyone ! I think English is the 'language of commerce' .... just not suitable for a deeper spiritual understanding .

AMORC ? Spencer Lewis started that from the 'authority' of a certificate declaring he had done his preliminary ( O degree ) Minerval initiation in the O.T.O. However , some may consider charging a glass of water in sunlight 'alchemy' . Gotta admit .... they got a snazzy HQs !

I am not necessarily saying their magic and alchemical medicines actually work though

Of course it is . depends what you consider a mystery school. Some have a 'magic medicine' at the heart of their 'central mystery ' Some more 'outer ' groups medicines may be available at their shop outlet in your local city ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthroposophic_medicine

You old tripper ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdd5xI9l7Ns

yeah ...... it took me 40 years to get that little snippet out .....

I just decided to cut out all the 'spiritual baloney' and decided .... its 'you'. The essential you ... the 'spirit' of a thing and the associated qualities that thing has .... the thing that makes marblehead marblehead , regardless of if; another has his exact same astrology, is an identical twin, was bought up exactly the same way in the same environment ... that which can make us different, regardless of all these things. How do we get it ? Again trying to cut out the baloney ... perhaps the genetic code carries a LOT more than physical traits ? The expression of this individual nature ... or rather , the desire of it to express its individual nature, I call 'soul', specifically, the imaginative creative soul. Its expression, particularly in the 'hard objects' man makes is one of the things that makes him unique. This 'spirit' and 'soul' are dependent on each other for satisfaction, expression and fulfillment . .... thats all .... you can calm down now .

Hey small steps , I dont mind sharing my small bowl . One way of finding that 'abode' (which isnt that different from the goal of other paths ) is to find ones 'true purpose , reason for being here, mode of expression, life's work or mission, ' and to express that creatively with you own expression ( or 'genius' ) , to rise in a balanced way to your fullest expression , etc . ' Crowley termed it a seeking, finding and expression of one's " True Will " . There are many paths and practices towards it , some advocate specific ones, others an eclectic approach (* see chart below ) . For some easy reading on this, and relating to the sort of magical approaches Crowley advocated (and to cut through the sensationalism ) I recommend these two little pieces ; http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib30.html http://hermetic.com/crowley/equinox/i/ii/eqi02016.html * YOGA AND MAGICI. Yoga is the art of uniting the mind to a single idea. It has four methods. Gnana-Yoga. Union by Knowledge. Raja-Yoga. Union by Will. Bhakta-Yoga. Union by Love. Hatha-Yoga. Union by Courage. add Mantra-Yoga. Union through Speech. Karma-Yoga. Union through Work. These are united by the supreme method of Silence. II. Ceremonial Magic is the art of uniting the mind to a single idea. It has four Methods. The Holy Qabalah. Union by Knowledge. The Sacred Magic. Union by Will. The Acts of Worship. Union by Love. The Ordeals. Union by Courage. add The Invocations. Union by Speech. The Acts of Service. Union through Work. These are united by the supreme method of Silence. {199} III. If this idea be any but the Supreme and Perfect idea, and the student lose control, the result is insanity, obsession, fanaticism, or paralysis and death (add addiction to gossip and incurable idleness), according to the nature of the failure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPKQJQWQhKo

..... vague and abstract cosmo-spirituality jingoism to avoid the difficult questions . When a tree makes a post here , I will concur with your last paragraph . .