Nungali

You nailed it ! You cant but help see everyone, even throughout history past and future being reflections of Karl. Of course YOU would be dead in 24 hours. people working with that environment instead of against it . Its like you x=cant conceive of any possibility beyond your own experience ! Voila ! ... and therein lies your problem and what is at the bottom of your lack of comprehension in these matters ! Indeed thou art Callicles, even in your approach to nature life the universe and 'everything' ; " man has never and will never be in harmony with nature. Man is not given anything by nature, he has to use his mind and body to survive within nature. The planet is a place of potential resource only and we have to fight to survive upon its surface " Every indigenous person that was ever suppressed by 'empire' is wincing or turning in their graves at that one ! I am not even going to bother explaining how wrong it is, or why it is wrong and what calamity that attitude has lead to as I now know none of that would make a shred of difference to your attitude. I was right in my first reaction to your first comment back when I did , I read you right after all . But thanks for the clarity on your viewpoint . Now I really know where you are coming from .

..... Ahhhh . now I get it ... the guy got a little demo of chi .... which he thought should be impossible. But it happened and he got scared for a Christian (like him) ..... if it aint Jesus 'bendin things' .... must be the 'other guy' working through his teachers .

but Dr Karl, that is why I expanded the idea so much and used the term harmony with nature and explained how we rely on it - air and water mate ,,, our food. Thats why I posted the enviro degradation pics, etc etc and what ? You dont get it, you pull the lets make out Nungers to be new age fairy trip .... gong ! from a term you might even have used first (cant be bothered checking now )

yeah ... wait ! First I thought .... yeah nice .... but then , doubt snuck in. I remembered this date I went on once ; Did I just get told goodnight .... " that was a nice exchange of thoughts .... but anyway ..... "

I am happy with that, But being a fuss pot I would say the origin of 'mankind' lies in the things that the slime evolved into ... and then mixed with 'other stuff ' ( I like the term ' a factor infinite and unknown ' ) ... some call it God, Space Turtles , comet delivered, whatever . . . because Mankind is unlike all those other critters , in a special way , that came out of that algae. Thats what "mankind; is about, not just our animal origins but what made us and makes us different . So there is the physical stuff, but there is the stuff that makes us different . That is what anthropology tries to discover and know about.

karl, its all to confused to continue as I have, so in brief; yes they did and still know a lot of things, the value of knowledge lies in the facts of how long they survive in successful cultures, from an anthropological perspective that is. Then yes, you 'paraphrased' . There is no side track into 'relative merits' its all about relative merits . It isnt a different argument it is the original one I was making that resulted from your brief and rather ignorant first comment that I reacted against but now you have explained some things a bit clearer than that. Re the invasion; its a toss up. The cultural dynamic operating in this isolated mini-world ( over 600 inter related culture/language 'groups' actually ) that allowed successful and such long term cultures due to its relative isolation and highly regulated periods of input (more than one 'wave' of Aboriginal migration into Australia ) that , somehow, resulted in their great and long term success may be balanced against the isolated vulnerability that eventuated is yet to be fully played out, its still underway. So there is no final out come on that yet. Personally, I hope to see the best of both worlds and in harmony with nature and the environment . I am glad to have left the city, I never said I wasnt nor did I say I wasnt in the above . I said , well, what i said , Dude,, stop paraphrasing and jumping to conclusions, I am not 'someone else' I am the guy that IS glad every day I left the ' city ' - even though in the past I had great fun there , but it aint like that no more ! : Beep beep :

Junko .... I can here wild dingoes howling across the river up in the rainforest tonight Maybe they are saying thank yooooooou - oooooooooouuuuu ! ?

Longer. I plan t make a memorial out of it !

You seemed to be saying oxygen was made on earth in the oceans . I said twernt. I knew all the stuff about photosynthesis and agrred with you, but there was more to it and you seemed to be opposing that there was . there was NO 'converted into' in the begginning, I bought that into it . You guys are funny, Karl is classic in that he 'figured it all out again' ..... anyway Its all JIM'S FAULT , he started it .... speaking of whom ... where is he .....

Ah yes ... OH the quote function is actually working ! Ah yes BUT .... that is pretty much hard science, so its easy to agree , the science I am dealing in is soft science (anthropology ) so more easy to find a disagreement . Especially when one side is anthropology and the other is ... well .... Callicles .

Oh , Karl, I missed this bit ' " I'm trying to show you that man doesn't work like that, despite how you wish it, I don't say it's perfect, it's not perfect for you, but no one stops you moving to an area and living a Stone Age existence if that's what appeals, it just doesn't appeal to me, I see it as entirely a retrograde step, but I note you haven't given up on your 21st century computer technology :-) " I dont know what you mean by 'man does not work like that ' . Man modern men and groups and companies are developing our technology towards working in harmony with the planet and nature , after all, it does sustain us . Did you read my series of posts a while back about USA and UK scientists working with the indigenous elders and their knowledge in NW South America ? The scientists acknowledge what the indigenous tell them to do works, but they do not understand how it works. But they are desperate fro results, results win, every time , science or not. The same way blushwood berry juice shrivels a cancerous tumor and causes it drop off in days AND then has another substance to rapidly heal the after sore. It hapenned in front of the scientists eyes, repeatedly, in lab conditions. Cant argue with results. What has me on my computer got to do with anything, Are you suggesting that when I go and visit indigenous friends that live a fairly trad lifestyle that I long to live like that and be one of them ? You have to be kidding, I would be speared in the leg within the week . The only reason I havent been is I am a visitor, and they are polite and welcoming and hospitiale . Live with them as one of them ... no thanks ! But then again, you appear to know all this about me before I said any of this, eh ? Jumping ahead without reading because you know how it is all panning out anyway.

You 'know more NOT than you did yesterday' ??? because of my input and tenacity ... you guys are doing my head in today .... I still cant get over what Karl claimed ... It could be me ... I realize I am having great communication probs recently ... not that I feel its me , as when someone actually LISTENS to what I actually said and I explain it all to them, they agree ..... but more and more, its getting like this ; I go to the telecom shop 2 days ago to complain about their service and equipment : I bought the latest modem, prepaid credit, I put $50 credit on it from a voucher . I use the internet . I check the modem 4.9 gigs left , thats $49 " Shop girl "yes thats right ." "Then I stop using the internet , I go the whole night not using it , I live alone and have no visitors, everything is turned off. I wake up in the morning ... no credit , red screen on modem 0.0 gigs , cant connect "you are out of credit " BS ! where is my $50? I try an hour later ... the same . I try 3 hours later ... modem goes 'blink blink' .... you have 4.9 gigs of credit left . What the hell is going on ? and why cant I get connected when I DO have credit ? " Shop girl " Do you watch a lot of movies ... movies will use up your credit quickly . " I explain all over again emphasizing and explaining the relevant info more . "But movies DO use up credit fast ." She looks blankly at me, uncomprehending ..... just like that cow did before I shot it though the third eye to make our winter freezer full . Hmmmmm .... THAT gives me an idea !

Its science Marbles ... not my fault ... I tried to explain it to you too . In my own words, and with the related science . Looks like we didnt make it . Of well. < shrug >

Wow ... now we are going to confuse 'pressurized' , 'sealed' and 'a vacuum' . really guys ... really ? What has happened to you lot ?

Not unless you understand some basic high school science , especially about respiration and photosynthesis ...... and some first year anthropology

I will stay at home thanks

I am finding it hard to follow you with this one Marblehead .... more so with each post (unless yo dickin with me ? ) .... hiw was that close to using magic ? You asked a question and that is the fairly standard answer to that question . ? ? ?

No idea at all .... you do realise what you wrote is full of mistakes ?

Indeed it is relative, that is my very point about western culture ! I was talking about these things from an anthropological perspective. About cultures which are collective things ... over time ... not about 'Karl's lifestyle ' ... or mine . You judge world cultures historically on a scale of your own personal comfortable 'drathers' ?

Yes I understand that. Did you know that plants respirated too? Most living things do, life is oxygen based on earth ... is our fuel that burns the internal fire .

.... and .... ? I understand what it is. That article only talked about one side of things and very simply. The point is ???

It is continually pumping into the atmosphere ( at the current set up, the way the atmosphere is working - it changes over great periods of time ) from a variety of sources; from rotting logs in the forest to volcanic gasses. Now, apparently, we are adding to it.