Nungali

A yarrow witch is a person who throws the I ching I dont know much about overall different country , I thought Armidale was Gamilaraay, so when you wrote Nganyawana I looked it up and the map I looked on, it seemed to come down into 'Oxley Wild Rivers' area , which I thought was Dhungutti , so to get a closer look I went to google maps , roughly over the area, zoomed in and ended up between Yarrowitch and Walcha . I cant really say how things come up in my mind , its mostly unconscious stew, then something pops up through the surface and ... bing! - there it is. The area, has some history for me; My elder brother was a teacher for a while at Yarras (back then a one class all age tiny little schoolhouse by the river, near the sawmill ) , I stayed at the bottom of Mt Seaview for a while camping and had pretty rad experiences ending with a rushed evacuation and escaping a flash flood by minutes. ... and that waterfall on the way to Walcha ... talk about intense energy in that area ! I have only zoomed through Yarrowich ( that I can remember, but it has a strange 'magnetic' attraction to me since I was young ) . Strangely enough, about a week ago, I was thinking of going for a little trip that way. Sometimes when I think about Yarrowitch (which has happened a few times during my life ), I get the same image of a small house / cottage with extensive gardens . I should take the trip, I can do a circuit , down to Port and up the Oxley Highway, Mt Seaview, Walcha, Armidale, Dorrigo, down the mountain and home. But not at this time of year, to much crazy Xmas traffic. Where are you now ? Armidale ? { I noticed you said you were not Murri , I didnt realise they used that word up there ( here it is Koori , Gorri ) I only heard that in north of Bundjalung. } - Look, I am interested in learning a lot more about this , but it is getting pretty far from phurba and dorje ... maybe we should PM ?

Someone's take on it , going back to Africa ; The following paired tribal names are in an African/Australian order. Keep in mind that these books were written by two different men at two different times on two different continents. The exact spellings are taken from each respective above book: Anna/Anna, Bemba/Bemba, Goa/Goa, Gogo/Gogo, Jang/Jang, Jawara/Jawara (Adaman Islands), Koko/Koko, Kuri/Kuri, Madi/Madi-Madi, Maori/Maori (New Zealand), Mau/Mau, Mau/Maui (Hawaii), Meru/Meru, Munga/Munga, Nana/Nana, Ngala/Ngala, Ngumbu/Ngumbu, Ngundi/Ngundi, Njao/Njao, Nyamba/Nyamba, Tura/Tura, Waka/Waka, Woga/Woga, Yang/Yang, Yao/Yao. Several near duplicates in the order of African/Australian here follow: Ngaga/Ngadja, Ngalaga/ Ngalagan, Ngama/Ngamadi, Ngamatak/ Ngamatta, Ngan/Ngan:a, Nganda/Nganadjara, Ngiri/ Ngirla, Ngoal/Ngoala, Ngolo/ Ngolok, Ngombe/Ngombaru, Ngoni/Ngonde, Ngulu/ Ngulubulu and Nguludjara, Nguru/Nguro, Njamus/Njamat, Njanja/Njana, Njungene/Njung, Nyamang/Nyamba. In the 20 to 40 thousand years that it took for Africans to migrate to Australia, the tribal names remained intact. If tribal names remain intact, what could be deduced about other aspects of culture and tradition? http://historum.com/speculative-history/29186-ancient-black-presence-americas-10.html

Gotchya ! I'm confused .....Nganyawana is Armidale. Gamilaraay ? .... Then who came down to this place and nabbed the women, I thought it was Gamilaraay 'from Armidale' . Someone from beyond the end of the valley, up past Point Lookout ... thats where Old Man Nungli is still staring at ; http://www.timaickin.com.au/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=17115&g2_serialNumber=2 Anyway, I move in pretty limited circles - closer to the coast . Are you comparing words from different languages finding similarities with each other and Indonesia ... and Tibet , and some related concepts ? Interesting, but linguistics was one of things that helped me to choose not to try and graduate ( back in those days of free Uni ), but I am interested in it. A friend speaks several languages based on Bundjalung and what he calls the 'Mother tongue' an older style of Bundjalung that nearby languages evolved out of. Uncle LInk told me a story about how they came down from Gulf country into this area due to tribal displacements when the oceans rose. Up there there was a lot of contact with Indonesia, some Aboriginal men even had Indonesian wives and children there, the Indonesians would take the Australian men back and forwards. Some of them have an old and very secret dance that is about and mimics the use of swords. Going further back, I often wonder about the Australoid culture in India - SW Asia ( the relationship to the Dingo and the Indian wild dog is interesting to ) , there are a few remnant pockets there that are pretty interesting . The Andaman Islanders also seemed part of it ...... either the ocean was a lot lower than we realise, or they were pretty good seafarers , to get out there. Interesting stuff .

Pemulwuy apparently did the same he thought he was immune to bullets, he would just stand there out the front of Parramatta stockade yelling and being ferocious. A visiting english officer took a shot and got him, they put him in cell for transportation to Sydney the next day. A doctor examined him and said his chest and some ribs were shot away, he could see the lung, even if he survived the night, the trip to Sydney would kill him. The next morning the cell was empty. A few months later he was outside the stockade again, brandishing his spear and yelling at the soldiers, he had massive scar tissue across his chest, Later they shot him again and cut off his head and took it to England. removing the head and placing it across water from the body ... that will kill a kadiatcha ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdaitcha

thanks ..,. you might like working with magic squares then ... just draw a line from 1 to 3 to last number in square ; magic square of 6 ( The Kamea of the Sun ) = ... look what happens when you 'join the dots' in ben Franklin's square of 8 !

Yes, I see what you are stating generally , but the last part of my responses are not against your idea generally ... it was in reference to you commenting about my concept of a split not occurring . Remember ? ( @ your post # 126 ) There is good evidence though that an original version of the caste system predates Vedic Indians ( but no historical evidence ... by the way, there is no historical evidence going back to 10,000 bc ; " I would recommend that you focus on the 90% of human history from before 10,000 BCE " ???.... I may seem picky, but it is the things I am pointing out are things that academics will see and make them think your research is lacking and impact on your general theory ). Here is the ref for the split being as I described above (and the reason I say drug fueled speed freaks ( remembering that Indra is also known as 'the 1000 testicled one' ... so add some testosterone to the amps ) ; In the Rig Veda (4.42.1-6) * , when Varuna declares, "I, Varuna, am the king; first for me were appointed the dignities of asura, the Lord. I let the dripping waters rise up, and through rta I uphold the sky." Indra replies, "Men who ride swiftly, having good horses, call on me when surrounded in battle. I, the bountiful Indra, provoke strife. I whirl up the dust, my strength is overwhelming... . No godlike power can check me - I who am unassailable. When draughts of Soma, when songs have made me frenzied, then both the unbounded regions are filled with fear." The hymns addressed to Varuna are more ethical and devout in tone than the others, and form the most noble or high-minded portion of the Rig Veda. and the caste system is shown to be developed by King Jamshid : King Jamshid developed the concept of specialized professions. He instituted the four main professional guilds of priests and learned (athravan), nobles and warriors (rathestaran), farmers (vasteryosan), and artisans (hutokhshan), with members of each profession working in freedom and dignity. Farmers had their own land free from dispute. King Jamshid also instituted the tradition of the wearing the sacred thread or belt as an mark that the wearer had been initiated into the guilds (see (Sad-dar - 'Hundred Doors' chapter 10, and chapter 39.18-19, Dadestan-i Denig - 'Religious Decisions'). The Hindu Vedas list four similar professions called varnas (from var, to enclose, cf. Av. vara meaning enclosure): the priests and learned (brahman), nobles and warriors (khshtriya), merchants and farmers (vaishyas), labourers and artisans (sudra). Each varna has its own dharma or system and rules (also called laws) which included an initiation ceremony called the upanayana (meaning bringing within). The Vedic name for the systems of professions, varnas, and the Avestan name for the Jamshedi settlements, varas - both from the root vara meaning enclosure is significant and bears further examination. The Hindu initiation ceremony like the Zoroastrian initiation ceremony is also called a thread ceremony. Hinduism calls the initiate a dvijas meaning twice born signifying that the initiate is "born again" into spiritual life. Zoroastrianism uses the term navjote meaning new life. The Hindu initiation is conducted during a person's teen or early adult years. The Zoroastrian age for initiation was the age or reason, deemed by tradition to be fifteen years of age. Hinduism developed the professional guilds into a caste system, a development that violated principles that Zarathushtra would promote. The initiation ceremony in Hinduism is now limited to men of the first three castes, while the initiation ceremony in Zoroastrianism is available to all women and men. In Zoroastrianism, the initiation ceremony is an initiation into the faith and a coming-of-age ceremony for all Zoroastrians - rather than an initiation into a guild or caste. again; http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/aryans/prehistory.htm which also shows the development of the vara settlement - 'urban planning' a key development alongside the development of agriculture. I am seeing the significant departure, not as development of agriculture, but development of a concept of power the ruling elite wanted to maintain; see the quote from the Rig Veda above * and consider; " If the qualities of the gods reflect the values of the worshippers, then for asura worshippers building and maintaining a peaceful society based on law and order was a priority. For the deva worshippers, the priority would have been the exercise of power through might and fear. The asuras are ethical where the devas are materialistic. While in the Rig Veda both deities and their respective allies are worshipped, Indra and deva worship clearly take precedence. The largest number of Rig Vedic hymns are dedicated to Indra - nearly 250 out of a total of 1028. Agni, an asura, is invoked in about 200 hymns, a greater number than the number of hymns dedicated to Varuna. "

On a similar but different note; back when I worked in a hospital, i escorted a patient from emergency to x-ray. He was working on the mechanism on his garage tilt-a-door when it collapsed on his head, he drove in his car to the hospital, he had a 'cut' on his head. he waited, talked, filled out forms, walked with me and talked to me and then died on the x-ray table . When the film was developed it showed a large cold chisel , with its butt just under the skull surface and flush with it and through his brain with the point down in his brain stem .

Agreed it isnt normal and looks impressive x 100 ! By the way, I am curious about this at first I thought it was based on a magic square, but maybe not ? What line and color formulas did you use to generate it ?

Because it would make a home run waaaaaaay to far back to home base .

Oh yeah .... I am sure there is an explanation

I went to that link and it showed a short passage from a book that , to me, doesnt indicate anything like a split between two peoples being debunked ? This link shows a solar connection, but I am not disputing that, I was questioning the use of the term dynasty which indicates it was one family and its descendants. Also this link isnt a good source for understanding the dynamics that evolved with and apart from each other in pre-Zoroastrian religions , it talks about the religion of the devas being current in Iran before Zoroaster. This didnt happen in Iran at all, it happened further to the east, in a collection of ancient 'nations' detailed in the Vendidad. It was after the societal split, when the 'Daevo' permanently crossed over the Hindi Kush and stayed in India, after this Zoroaster reformed the original religion of Mazdayasni Paoiryo-Tkaesha with the developing Ahura - Tkaesha to create (reform) Mazdayasno Zarathushtrish Vidaevo Ahura-Tkaesho, - Zarathushtrian Mazda-Worship opposed to the daeva through the laws of the Lord (Ahura) ..... that is, specifically against the 'Deva' worshipers (still giving us such 'badly connotated' words such as deviate, devil (div) evil ... etc . and then it went to Iran, much later ... The branch that went to India first honoured the Masdayasni (asuras - older gods) then of course, the Vedics began the same process of denigrating the older, Asura / Mazdayasni ( enemy's) Gods ; Durga-devi killing Mahish-asura in the form of a buffalo http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/aryans/religion.htm In a way, but it is more the whole system, it seems that after agriculture was developed the idea of the 'vara' was the significant step, it outlined a new way of living, also the laws and regulations of the society (and the good environment and climate it was in ) were advanced and liberal for the time ... causing people to flock into 'Aryana Vaeja' ( the ' first nation' of the Vendidad ) , it was the moving away from this, into the violent war lord, drug fuelled culture that caused the 'original split' ; I understand that there are parallels , I am not disputing that at all, however this reference look like it is out of OOI theory - Indian Nationalist Part, etc . OOI is not currenty accepted. It isnt that Zoroastrianism has used Hindu religion, it is that they both came from similar sources. This last one seems to be whole book ... why give a whole book as a reference ... to what ? vedic zoroastrian parallels ? I already know there are parallels. I am not sure what your post and all these references are about ? I said there was an original split between the two , and you seem to be disputing what I said by offering examples of their similarities .... well, of course, things have similarities ... when they come from the same or similar sources ... so I really dont get your point . Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean ?

I have written elsewhere here on this trinity concept. There is an originating unity that manifests it, which you acknowledge but also a resultant 4th principle, that is 'born from within' , ( I recently put up a diagram here for this ) and a 'resultant' that is like a 'pendant' that 'comes out from' the primal triangle ( the 'carrier' of the 'multitude of things' ). This is why so much of nature is based on the 3:4 principle ; fire and water are in polarity + ---------------- - the mediator is air , to form the stable triangle Air Fire Water or Sulphur, Salt and Mercury of alchemy, or Mars Venus Mercury of the personal astrological planets, or R B Y in primary colours . The mechanism of sight and how we see colours is a perfect example. The 4 natural colours are R B Y G . Green is not a primary ... like 'Earth' is not a primary element, it is generated by the other three. This is reflected in physics with the 4 forces, the first 3 are primaries and can be unified by theory, but gravity ( the 'earth' principle) has not yet been (nor will be ) as it is a resultant ...... unless they do prove a 'graviton' ( then I will eat my hat ) . There is an extensive list of them somewhere here; vision mechanism, gunas, elements, astrology, kabbalah, etc, all unified by the same internal principle, but it seems lost in the machine, the original article has turned into programming language - Michael Sternback was trying to decipher it for me. It is also coded in the structure of the human hand ( duality, a basic 3 modified by 4 and using a system of base 12 ) . But I see the above Kabbalah as faulty - but whatever, this isnt a debate on western Christian Kabbalah . Also a dynasty is a term used for a ruling family , 1. A succession of rulers from the same family or line. 2. A family or group that maintains power for several generations: a political dynasty controlling the state. The original split I am referring to is in prehistory and is only inferred in later developments and tracked in the early Avestas. It is also partially attested to in the Vedas, one can observe the gradual degradation of the 'elder Gods' - Asuras, in Zoroaster's prohibitions (against animal cruelty, environmental degradation, the horse sacrifice, taking drugs as ritual and a religious practice, etc. ) the forces of organised and just ( for that time) by the warlord speed-freaks (soma drinkers) such as Indra. Also by latter and even modern day comparisons between remnant Zoroastrians in and around Iran and Hindus in India, regarding both people's 4 fold division of society. I also have a few detailed posts around the site on that too. Thanks for the above links , I will look into them .

Western males are not real males ?

whatever ... your quote about Christ consciousness Trinity Symbol: The Tree of Life starts with a TriadFrom this primordial triangle proceed all of the other figures, shapes, forms, all other numbers, the magic of manifestation. doesnt mention christ. It talks about 'a son of the father' which actually does not manifest until Tiphareth, half way down and central to the ToL ... its a vertical extension down the middle pillar ... the same way as 'the daughter' is at the bottom and last sphere of 'material creation' - malkuth . If you are going to blame the sources of what you cribbed and pasted together to make a blog and accept no responsibility for their content or accuracy ..... well ...... and if you call this a dynasty : " This Freemasonic gematria left-brain phonetic ritual sacrifice science was first used in the Babylonian Zoroastrian, Egyptian, Vedic and Hellenistic Solar Dynasty technology... " I think you better look up the meaning of 'dynasty' .... unless you claim it is some ancient world encompassing family . The original split that caused the Zoroastrian / Vedic cultural separation is enough to see they had radically differing viewpoints.

I am not sure what you mean by the question 'How do I view them" ? Could you be more specific ? ( Your mob Gunbaynnggir neighbours ? out near Yarrowitch somewhere .... Walcha ... Mt Seaview ( I saw some weird shit at Mt Seaview ! )

A diagram ( which I am not allowed to copy and post 'on this community' ) of the Supernal triad of the Tree of Life, removed from the rest of the Tree with the caption under it " The Cosmic Christ' Just posting something out of context and wrongly labeling it and assuming it fits the confused narrative seems vapid to me . I am still researching it . So, seeking further evidence and researching something aside from your evidence supplied is wilful ignorance now is it ? I am looking . I did ? Direct quote thanks Otherwise it looks like you yourself are not reading the actual words written and are jumping to wrong conclusions What evidence do you have for that claim ^ ? Assuming what is written without actually paying attention to the words creates said 'accusation' . I said it was an ET claim ? I missed that. The site seems to be claiming some ancient technology from a past civilisation . " the blocks used are undoubtedly the largest ever worked by human hands. " I think your 'enthusiasm' for certain subjects is clouding your analytical faculties . I am not after any praise or honour thanks all the same .

Sometimes I dont know why I even bother trying to comprehend what these internuts are on about a lot of it is downright dishonesty in some stupid effort to get their silly ideas and theories accepted .... and I get called closed minded ! or maybe I am just pissed off that I forgot to right click on that photo up there and track it 'ancient Siberian site' my arse !

but now I am told that pic is photo shopped and the original is in a national park in USA ( the other pics of the 'wall' , I checked with some photos off that site where more of the structure can be seen in geological perspective. Looks natural to me ... and the 'cave passage' looks like a rock feature I had in a back yard where I used to live (only more weathered ) . Now this Siberian site is starting to look faked.

trying to find pics of the GT stones with machine marks , no success but found this in Siberia ! (along with this rad article http://bump.ru/page/adaptive/id5250/blog/2301151/ ... Russian site but in English ! )

So a question is wilful ignorance now is it ? Not a good advert for you or your 'book / blog' methinks . (And I will tell you what else is not a good advert for your blog; I had a quick look at it and focused on something that looked familiar ... it was totally wrong totally ... and I immediately lost interest . )