Nungali

This is not the correct version of the picture appropriate for this thread. Look at this version in the collection of Romio Shrestha look at the bottom right corner where we can see flaming skeletons wrestling in hell ... is that two of the members here ? http://books.google.com.au/books?id=DH9_dGFbekQC&pg=PA285&lpg=PA285&dq=wheel+of+deluded+existence+collection+of+romio+shrestha&source=bl&ots=y7EPRFNHpV&sig=3H9zdkzikpRbyfizxaWE_J0n_4A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qlWFUov-JaS5iQeXu4GwAw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=wheel%20of%20deluded%20existence%20collection%20of%20romio%20shrestha&f=false

I have the same deck ... they are all blank ... until I quickly write on one ( with one of my 'witty and intellectual responses' ) here is a card in response to you ( hang on .... scribbling) " You live in poo ! " <smug> that showed 'em ! Now I go on to defeat my next opponent - Hai!

I don't . Shall we post a poll?

Brian, on 14 Nov 2013 - 10:25, said: First hit: http://www.answering...las/suicide.htm I would have thought that instead of making silly insults you would have used knowledge to defeat your opponents and shared some wise advice about Islam, Holy Quran and Prophet Mohammed ??? You should point out that with this suicide story Mohammed did not say he did that ... the words that describe the event are not Mohammed's, it is not in the Holy Quran, it is story via Al-Zuhri’s addition that is not sourced properly because Al-Zhuri does not give a valid reference, is very clear from his qualifying clause, “as we have come to know”. This is no more of a reference than 'it is said' ... or 'some believe' ... or just gossip! Isimsiz Biri ! Fight for Prophet Mohammed properly !

http://www.antenna-theory.com/definitions/magneticDipole.jpg http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/imgmag/magfi.gif Well ... since people are throwing questions at scientists I have a magnetic question; Looking at a magnetic field pattern around a bar magnet (with paper and filings) or around the Earth (as I have seen depicted in images) the 'lines of force' ( force? intensities in the field ? ) run out from one pole (-) at a steep angle, hug the magnet bar or sphere and run in (+) at the other. Yeah ? As the lines run out from the pole, closer to the exact pole, they curve less and travel further out from the surface then curve back in to a similar position in the opposite pole ( because nearer the centre they emerge with or have more force ?). And so on, until dead centre of the pole a line flows straight out of the pole and one flows straight in at the opposite pole and all are aligned along the magnetic axis . Yes? If that is right my question is where do these ends of these central straight lines meet to keep that force flow happening? All the other lines seem to flow out one pole and curve into the other in a + and - magnetic charge. Or am I basically wrong about magnetism ? (I thought was a spin direction) ?

At least prefix your comments with PING! and PONG!

Wow ! Thank you ! ( " .... and these are a few of my favourite things .... " )

Not really ... I can see a bit further sometimes as I stand on the shoulders of my teachers ... and I try to see the similarities where things and people can relate to and understand each other ( Mr 'chop suey' ) There is one or two learned fellow 'lurking' about her though YES! I could go on and on ... their Zoroastrian cultural heritage site is a gas. A friend saw that picture and freaked out as she had visions of him ... she thought he was some type of ghost of a fireman that had died in the burnt out building next door ... but that didn't add up for her . Also one maybe should realise that that pic may be drawn in a certain way to make that connection (okay I am cynical as well ) - it is a comic book after all Yes ... I have a poem ; 'Angel of Light' (I will get around to posting it in mystical poetry thread at some stage Not a fan of that idea ... as it just makes me ask "Where did the 'Atlanteans' get it from then How about we acknowledge the genius and brilliance of the ancients (like the Old Kingdom Egyptians ) in and of themselves they were 'ordinary people' using their potential ... I think the western ego tries to attribute alien technology and stone cutting mirrors and all that stuff as we just cant conceive that they DID do it with the tools and minds at their disposal as our tools and minds just aren't up to scratch .... and we don't like to take a hit at our modern egos ... we ARE wrecking things you know (Australian Aboriginal culture preserved themselves their culture and lived in harmony with their environment without harming it for over 40,000 years ... we have nearly wrecked ours in a few hundred ... how great is modern man ( sarcasm with the cynicism now)

THE AUGOEIDES. * * From a letter of Fra P. Lytton calls him Adonai in 'Zanoni,' and I often use this name in the note-books. Abramelin calls him Holy Guardian Angel. I adopt this: 1. Because Abramelin's system is so simple and effective. 2. Because since all theories of the universe are absurd it is better to talk in the language of one which is patently absurd, so as to mortify the metaphysical man. 3. Because a child can understand it. Theosophists call him the Higher Self, Silent Watcher, or Great Master. The Golden Dawn calls him the Genius. Gnostics say the Logos. Zoroaster talks about uniting all these symbols into the form of a Lion --- see Chaldean Oracles. * *A similar Fire flashingly extending through the rushings of Air, or a Fire formless whence cometh the Image of a Voice, or even a flashing Light abounding, revolving, whirling forth, crying aloud. Also there is the vision of the fire-flashing Courser of Light, or also a Child, borne aloft on the shoulders of the Celestial Steed, fiery, or clothed with gold, or naked, or shooting with the bow shafts of Light, and standing on the shoulders of the horse; then if thy meditation prolongeth itself, thou shalt unite all these symbols into the Form of a Lion." Anna Kingsford calls him Adonai (Clothed with the Sun). Buddhists call him Adi-Buddha --- (says H. P. B.) The Bhagavad-Gita calls him Vishnu (chapter xi.). The Yi King calls him "The Great Person." The Qabalah calls him Jechidah. * We also get metaphysical analysis of His nature, deeper and deeper according to the subtlety of the writer; for this vision --- it is all one same phenomenon, variously coloured by our varying Ruachs * * Ruach: the third form, the Mind, the Reasoning Power, that which possesses the Knowledge of Good and Evil. --- is, I believe, the first and the last of all Spiritual Experience. For though He is attributed to Malkuth, * * Malkuth: the tenth Sephira. and the Door of the Path of His overshadowing, He is also in Kether (Kether is in Malkuth and Malkuth in Kether --- "as above, so beneath"), and the End of the "Path of the Wise" is identity with Him. So that while he is the Holy Guardian Angel, He is also Hua * *The supreme and secret title of Kether. and the Tao.* * The great extreme of the Yi King. For since Intra Nobis Regnum deI * * I.N.R.I. all things are in Ourself, and all Spiritual Experience is a more of less complete Revelation of Him. Yet it is only in the Middle Pillar* *Or "Mildness," the Pillar on the right being that of "Mercy," and that on the left "Justice." These refer to the Qabalistic Tree of Life. that His manifestation is in any way perfect. The Augoedes invocation is the whole thing. Only it is so difficult; one goes along through all the fifty gates of Binah * * Binah: the third Sephira, the Understanding. She is the Supernal Mother, as distinguished from Malkuth, the Inferior Mother. (Nun) is attributed to the Understanding; its value is 50. Vide "The Book of Concealed Mystery," sect. 40. at once, more or less illuminated, more or less deluded. But the First and the Last is this Augoeides Invocation. [snaffled from someone else's work] ..

Yeah it is zero ... when you add it all up ... but it isn't added all up, its still in the 2 phase ... separated. It was 'added all up before the 'big bang' But it still doesn't explain the 'secret infinite and unknown' , I.e. what created the = WHY did the O separate ? What caused the separation .... now don't fob me off with that 'everything was perfect 0 {with a few little imbalances} <under breath>. And what about all that supposed dark matter that cant be found (in some theories) that is needed to balance the equation?

Surely this is a blurred distinction between something that can be so basically expressed as a 'bad' spirit or a 'good' spirit. Basic Hermetic groundwork in those areas should include IMO , at least (from a qualified spiritual, mystical {and successful} Hermetic perspective) Swedenborgh and (from a qualified scientific medical psychological psychiatric and successfully professional level) Dr, Wilson VanDusen. Both came to the same conclusions about ‘good and bad spirits’ and were able to classify, communicate and in many cases modify and balance them by ‘invoking their opposites’. it looks like, from my perspective S.A. realises the above but I.B. seems to think they can only be bad, Cannot a good and helpful 'bodiless being entering your astral body' be helpful ... even if , or especially if, there are bad bodiless beings or spirits that have already entered or surfaced ?

Pure poetry unassuaged of purpose and delivered from the lust of result is in every way perfect

Of course that means 2=0 gives the 0 a type of value that 'holds' the energy in suspended 'stasis' .

No 'loss' of energy, that is against the laws of physics ... energy changes from one form to another ... you can't loose energy out of an 'unsealed system' (if there is such a thing) ... like the heat and gas that comes out of the exhaust system of your car (why petrol is efficient comparatively and inefficient potentially). When you DO something you convert one form of energy to another.

Its still a Theory. Where did the energy come from in the first place ... now they are calculating (much more complexly ) 0 = 2.

Check out the temperatures recorded in the system Marblehead referred to when the central collection pillar contains liquid salt

Not to mention thousands of years of agricultural success using Moon patterns and cycles ... Actually, to be fair, Bill Nye is no more the scientist than the daily newspaper astrologer is an astrologer. What he is doing isn't Science ... it is Scientism. And not all scientists appreciate this literalist dogmatic fundamentalist 'scientific' approach.

Cancer goat here ... oops ... I mean a Gemini Goat Actually . Goat jumped into me from an interesting sector of 'heaven' near the Cancer Gemini constellational border, which IMO is in a 4 way relationship with 2 constellations off the ecliptic (what ? shock , horror, you cant count them!). Also individual stars off the ecliptic can be used (and were used before) check thse tools out ... very usefull: http://www.astro.com/cgi/genchart.cgi . Go to ; OPTIONS - Zodiac: click on the down arrow next to the box ( but note the warnings … these are to avoid confusion for people that don’t understand and may want to calculate their own chart, get confused and blame the site J also for star positions, and constellational mythology and star meanings from a variety of ancient and classical and varied cultural sources; http://www.constellationsofwords.com/ And thank you those above for explaining the mechanics of the variations The weird thing is that although many astrologers deny the validity of non-tropical systems (not as vehemently as they did only a few backs – which is why I stopped posting on astrology forums) they still rave about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0G8XJNz4bY So how is that fitting into an insistence of tropical astrology being THE and ONLY astrology ??? ..

The first thing I noticed before I even pressed > was the smug look of self assurance on his face. Then there is the attitude and posture in the chair, a bit much for the kindergarten type presentation . Where it all falls down is lack of understanding of the subject he is criticising. In other words as has been said before ; "I don't believe in God ... I cant believe in a God that ...." A: "Well, I believe in God but I do not believe in the type of God you do not either." There are many types of astrology other than Western Tropical astrology and they all follow (as far as I know) a sidereal system (based on star positions, constellations and asterisms) not signs that are a 12 segment division of equal 30 degrees based on the starting position of the Equinoctal point (the intersection of two great circles). Even western astrology has a sidereal system. This vid is like proving that magick (theurgy) is invalid and then demonstrating how a stage magician pulls a rabbit out of his hat (aside form the relevant symbolism involved ).

The tech is there, a friend had one that fitted into a water pipe than ran down hill from a creek. I should have said "I wonder if I can get it together to .... " on small scale of me (and my 'not that many people squashed into one space' environment) I don't waste water much; often in Oz we have to be water wise, a friend visited and was horrified about my kitchen sink water wastage. I explained that waters the garden outside the kitchen window and if they don't get enough water I have to then use the hose and use the same water anyway,

Especially when the word "PERPETUAL" is in the formula One 'perpetual' energy that seems to be generated and just keeps on going is Gravity ... but only until Shiva's eye opens again As far as harnessing love for energy ...I did consider connecting a tidal/wave generator to my bedsprings at one stage ... but that would fail on the' perpetual' side of things as I couldn't 'keep it up' for that long.

I think confusion comes about as the 'soul' is seen as one indivisible substance in some traditions and religions and as the one thing that should 'inhabit' our spirit. [ 'Khu, 'Khabs' and all that ], Also that 'spirit' can relate to 'objective identity' for some. My view is that 'soul' (subjective ... that is my soul, and its intersection with the 'World Soul' - 'objective soul' or Anima Mundi) is PART of what makes up my 'spirit' and that is PART of what makes up (with all the complexities of the Personna) that strange idea I keep having of ...'Me'. That seems to make some uncomfortable ... (like bed bugs). I think it is an expression of the two formulas a of 'banishing' ; the first is the classic circle 'I am in here and they are out there' formula. One relies on a type of 'protective dualism'. This level of consciousness is involved with battle (one sees it in how some view their work on the inner planes ... slaying demons cleaning up the lower astral by instilling violent energy, I have read it in books about supposed experiences in the 'Aethers' - some times not even written as subjective experience but saying this is what YOU must do ... defeat this being, who looks like this, with this weapon, or you shall not pass to level x ( astral dungeons and dragons perhaps but one hopes a preliminary step to greater things) and fixing the outside but of course in these realms these demons are just parts of the 'self' and one is battling the self. The next stage is to open the circle and balance opposites by absorption IMO an advanced and more desirable formula and outcome ... and even more possibly (if I dare say ) more apt for a forum of this title in a site with this title. But it does require some art ... and can be dangerous to try (well at least naïve to try) if not balanced yourself or understanding the energies involved. Instead of slaying the energies (a type of repression that will resurface again anyway, providing an 'escape loop' for the ego- which is no escape at all, just a trapped cycle of de/illusion) one can use their energies when they are balanced, and take their rightful place in the self I also believe , in this day and age, and for me, the divine soul (both subjective and objective) is lost and is in need of finding and 'redeeming'. Apparently, according to many, if not most, Western mythological themes it isn't just me and it isn't just now. Usually it is in the mythic form ( various forms, juxtaposed, repeated, modulated and inverted) of the female (Anima) which needs rescuing, awakening, releasing (from towers) and saving (from dragons and ogres) either within a dynamic of the active (knight) ego (hence the 'self' or the ego, to an extent 'choosing' to take the journey or having it thrust upon him or stumbling upon it) or the soul itself sending messages and assistants to help the ego/self come to a realisation (via omens, forces in nature 'coincidences' ( ) ; see the Myth of Psyche (she seems hopelessly lost but animals and natural forces come to assist her). Perhaps this idea of the soul and the HGA have some relationship?

'Diving Into Love.' by Nungali. She stepped off! Oh God! How could she have done that? What space must your head be in to be able to do that? She stepped off, I imagine, calm and serene, not screaming and clawing and falling down, down but streaming through the layers of swirling mist to the rainforest floor below; like a rainbow arching down to ground itself in the earth. She stepped off beside the plunging waterfall, at the top of the vast vertical rock abyss, at the head of the steep, deep, twisting serpentine gorge. Right at the top of the world, right at the top of her world, she stepped off. Right at the top of her world, young, beautiful and healthy, (they told me) the last person in the world you would ever imagine that would do such a thing. I have stood on that very spot and tentatively peered over the edge into that vast vertical chasm, watching the water racing down and turn to spray and felt that urge to fly myself, down to the rainforest below and quivered and tried to inch back from that spot, the inexorable force drawing me down to where the tops of the giant rainforest trees are bunched together like far away broccoli. "Get away from there!" a voice shouted. I turned (without falling) the old 'Uncle' emerged from the bush. He took my arm, pulled me from the edge and looked deep into my eyes. We sat staring into each other by the swirling pool, his dark, crystal eyes surveying my pain, his black skin wrinkled from searching my face. "It's the tail of the Rainbow Serpent." Gunabar told me. "The twisted gorge is his body. You have to be careful here, you'll fall right into it." He talked. I asked questions. He looked at me - through me. "You ask me questions, questions about energies and places. I'd say to you ...” Gunabar said to me, "... It's all about love. It all comes down to love, from your heart." And then I heard the story for the first time: "Not long ago a young white girl from around here, stepped off the edge.... It's not the first time. She was happy they said. Nice girl, good job, nice car. Why did she do it? They didn't understand. She left a note at the top, I found that note, 'I couldn’t find love anywhere,' it said ‘the only place I could find love was here'. That's all it said. She left that note at the top of the waterfall and stepped off." My heart was shaking, my eyes watering, a giant ball of emotion was surfacing from some inner deep part inside myself. I looked down the valley. I turned and looked into Gunabar's eyes. They were like black far away pools, they were like places I have never seen. "The white people didn't understand, I understand." he told me. "They had a service at the top of the falls, they floated flowers in the pool at the top. I floated a broken branch and a broken boomerang - symbols of a broken life. My offering went over the edge. The flowers didn’t, they got stuck in a whirlpool at the top, I gently pushed them over with a stick." I have since returned and stood in that very place, high above the clouds and been drawn again to that roaring air. That same place where Gunabar told me that story. Not at the edge beside the falls but around the side, near the lookout where you can see the whole drop. And I can’t help thinking what space must your head be in to be able to do that? The shock of the first news is still there. It probably always will be there. She stepped off... Oh God, how could she? So now I sit, inexorably drawn and look at the view, the drop, the falls and I imagine that young, beautiful girl, that child of nature, feeling so much love but finding it nowhere else, gazing out over the mountains, head held high, standing on the edge, beside the plunging, roaring, drawing water and gently... stepping on the air. I imagine her calm and serene, smiling and streaming down, down, the spark of her soul a streaming meteor accelerating through the air, down, down through the layers of swirling mist, hurtling towards the far away now zooming closer broccoli forest below. Not screaming and falling down but plunging, unstoppable, totally committed heart first, into love. .http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Ellenborough.JPG/200px-Ellenborough.JPG .

The worse time for solar power at my cabin is the wet season when it pisses down, I notice my neighbour, up hill has water gushing out the rainwater tank overflow ... I wonder if that can be diverted to a little hydro generator as a back up ?

Def! I did my first system myself with a truck battery,2nd hand panel, a few fixtures (like junction boxes) from the marine supply shop (all 12v dc in that shop) ... no regulator or anything (just emergency fuse for shorts) I could run small TV , all lights (sensibly . with support from candles for constant background lighting when required - I have spot lights set up that get turned on and off when needed; over sink, deck, lounge chair { for reading} ) , sound system, (and later installed a $65 camping inverter for lap top and phone recharge station ). Batteries last for years and years and cost about $180 to replace .. that was my power bill from then on