Nungali

PING A friend challenged me ... he had KI society technique ... he was weak ... he said he can beat me without a touch ... what a laugh ... he did ki society weak aikido ... I went for his eyeballs throat and stopped a big toe kick on his nuts (no injury, perfect focus) he said "You kicked my balls!!! " I said , "Yes" he said, " I felt it but it dint hurt." I said " I know, stopped in time - focus." he ran away and didn't want to 'share techniques again Defeat me without hardly touching me using KI ... what a joke . And he studied at KI society. Etiquette and spirit didn't help him. He didn't show respect first as he said I would get my arse knocked over by KI ... he never bowed ... where is Ki society respect. I continually met you with respect in Taobums threads ... you started disrespect . You have a history of this. no matter to me ... I have strong Ki ... I laugh at your insults as I think you MUST be joking

PONG Okay ... I will not mention a man that has passed on ... maybe it is the Aikido that YOU practice is weak then ... is that better?

PING Now your argument is so weak you have to try to distract me with silly insults that do not hurt me or distract me ... weak like Tohei Akido ... in any case I cleaned out a toilet today ... what is wrong with that ,,, it might do you some good and teach you humility ... my friend

PONG! Yes I did or did you think I sneaked a peek at your link on the 4 principles of Aikido ki then pretended I didn't look then made a post pretending I didn't look but knew them anyway ... but wrote them wrong (according to you and the site) That's one imagination you have there . Oh ... and I suppose you think I made up the stuff about Okinawan Martial arts too ?? (which is actually the only bit ON topic and the bit you ignored ... dude!

Blah blah blah ... I knew that already ... you logic is still faulty; if I only did Aikikai and Akikai did not teach the 4 principles then how did I lean them? I learned them in aikido first they worked good ... like magic. I learned a different application version of them in Shorin ryu they defeated the aikido version ... because aikido got all messed up after the war ... read the history ,,, it was very different before WWII ... they started a movement to be part of a mystical society that would share in rulership of territory after the won the war ... but they didn't win ... they were defeated and weakened in spirit and they changed aikido to be more suitable for their American overlords as 1) the old system would never have been allowed ... 2) if the Americans had found out what they were up to they would have put the Aiki into the then equivalent of Guantanamo Bay.

You ask for links before; http://es.cyclopaedia.net/wiki/Kosei-Nishihira Venerable teacher ... fourth down in family line from Bushi Matsamura ; personal body guard to 3 Okinawan kings ( founder of Seito style Matsumara family traditon ( not temple style ... that was his day job as king's bodyguard ... temple style was what Funokoshi took to Japan ... it was incorporated as chidren's style (primary school) physical education program ... serious ! ) Part of the video is Chinto kata ... taught to Bushi by a Chinese pirate he was sent to capture (but could not defeat, so they made friends ) I learnt all of the Seito kata and their Seito tradition Bunkai (usually hidden) up to Kusanku (also taught by a Chinese in Okinawa but an envoy, not a pirate. I will give you a hint ... if you want to understand Chinto ... imagine you are fighting on stairs or in/on a boat. ... that is why Bushi Could not beat Chinto, Chinto was up on rocks at the back of a cave where Bushi trapped him ... but could not defeat him. Bushi Matsumura was also unable to defeat another challenger, in disguise, it turned out to be a woman ... he married her. I also studied Seito weapon traditon (not from Bushi but 3rd after him , Mr Nishihira's Uncle and teacher Hohan Sokken ... look him up - very interesting ... uncorrupted system ... he was in Sth America and missed WW II and the American corruption of Okinawan arts in the years after the way ... he came back from Sth America much later with a pure family Shorin-Ryu seito tradition. I did aikido as well for 12 years and studied all weapons ... you think I don't know what I talk about Isimsiz ?

What that he " discovered them himself" and " Koichi Tohei was not the first one to realize those principles" You are contradicting yourself ... in any case Tohei Akido is weak like your argument it contradicts itself I did both Aikido and Shrin-Ryu ... I could have kicked arse of everyone if I wanted in Aikido, even instructor - if I wasn't content to be polite and learn what I could. Instructor left eventually, when he left, last day after class he asked me for a dynamic bokkan contest .. I 'killed' him easily - twice ! And not in my dreams. His Ki was weak and not concentrated he had his 4 principles out of order .. Shrin -ryu has 4 principles different and stronger than Aikido but in the RIGHT order. Okinawan arts are different to Japanese regardless of wether the word kiko means qiqong in Japanese ( your argument has broken logic there in relation to Okinawan Kiko but I suppose you wont understand what I mean again ... convenient for you, yes? ... have you done Okinawan arts? I have done both Okinawan and Japanese and tested both against each other. Okinawan martial artists had to defend against swords when they had no swords ... and guns too (Commander Perry and later others ... only with minature ornamental iron fan.

And you be aware of what YOU SAID; " Koichi Tohei did not learn those four principles from his sensei Morihei Ueshiba, rather discovered himself.

Arrghhh ! Put the robe back on .... pull the hood down ..... struth!

No I am right .... trust me

A good observation ... lets not whitewash ... I am sorry if I offended anyone... I spent many years working in the real world; hospital emergency ward <hide gruesome details> where that was part of life. In refugee relocation programme , I dealt with people that <hides horrible and gruesome details> .... in my life curtains were opened to reality and the more the veil was dropped over things (to make us all feel good and safe and shielded) the less people seemed to care about it .... until it happened to them or their families ... however I will respect the advise and requests of the forum regulators I am sorry, you are doing it again. Of course I judge the entire church of this crime! That is part of the whole gist of the problem; that the WHOLE church ( administration, ministry, Papacy , organised body, legal entity , egrigore, whatever you want to call it has been complacent in covering it up, and moving people around knowing full well what they were up to. and exposeing more of their flock to the same. I am not saying the whole church is responsible in the concept of a real church being the body of believers ... of course every member of the church isn't responsible .... many of them were the victims. I will stop holding a grudge when the situation is addressed and proper action has been taken. I act so it doesn't happen in the first place and if any trace of it appears THEN it should be acted upon before evil happens. of course nothing is perfect and things slip through and do manifest evil, then you are right we must act to make sure it ... firstly STOPS! and then we can start to make sure it doesn't happen again. How can we act to ensure that it can never happen again while we haven't even come in with a guilty verdict yet! " Remember that unbalanced force is evil; that unbalanced severity is but cruelty and oppression; but that also unbalanced mercy is but weakness which would allow and abet Evil.

Or this; "Honey; prepare a feast ... a man from another country and culture is coming here. he will leave all his ideas at the airport and come here to learn new things and .... " Wait a minute ! Did you say poker? Please don't tell me you gamble ???? NO! Seriously ... gambling is BAD! that is the ONE thing I cannot accept! Please tell me you do not gamble in your house ... if you do I cannot come there ... any house that gambles in it, anyone who enters will go to hell. gambling is from Satan you know? And coffee is the drink of Satan ! did you know that? .... SUGAR ! .... Don't start me on sugar ..... OMG! Coffee gambling and sugar This changes everything! Now; "Honey ... everything has changed ... still make the food though ... he will have take-away."

VERY good ... see! I knew you had a sense of humour ! Not too good. How about this; "Honey, a guy who looks for the connection between everything and tries to find areas where very different things relate to each other so he can help bring peace and understanding between very different peoples by understanding their view point wants to be our guest. You must cook him beautiful Turkish food and I will take him to the Blue Mosque and the archeological and spiritual sites of Turkey. He is a bit different and wild and lives in nature so he smells a bit ... but he will sleep in the garden.

Oh? maybe this subject is completely unnecessary? Do you think YOU really stayed on topic ... this is about Okinawa art ... not Japanese ... But I will accept your blame if it makes you feel better Where do you think Aikido came from? Ueshiba didn't 'invent it' ... he paid for it! Sometimes a LOT for just one technique. Much came from Daito Ryu ... old style though ... I doubt you will even find a clip of it on internet ... what is there is modern stuff corrupted by the usual corruptions. If you think Tohei was the first person to realise those principles ... well that is okay ... you are free to think what you want. But he didn't . But I wanted to see if (for once) I knew what you were talking about without looking at the link ... my friend; you place a lot of faith in the validity of 'links' and internet. I disagree ... that is the order you LEARN in. 1. Sitting meditation ... don't loose one point .... you loose it ? WACK ... across the back with Jo. moving meditation, you lose one point ... WACK! Senior black belts strike your face (but stop one hair away) - you loose one point? Wack! then with bokkan ... then with live sword ... stop one hair away from face - do not loose one point. Now you do a technique ... move at last instant, take the sword and trow them away ... do not loose one point in confidence! Then work your way through 2 3 4. But it is not in the order of flow this is the order of learning, See the order I listed my 1 2 3 4 ; Fire air water earth ... must be in order or your Ki will be depleated I reality though you must have all 4 at the same time. You wont understand it (or me ) unless you TRY to understand it

You do not know how to correct them? Maybe if you only see them as wrong you know how to correct them. Crowley is dead, so nothing needs to be done. I would like to come to Turkey ... thankyou ... can I stay at your house? I would like to see how you get on in your country by never clearly answering a question or having a logical sequential conversation with anyone it must be fascinating, I have a friend from Turkey, he is a Jew , he told me people in Turkey were good and kind to him.

1, Project Ki. 2.Focus on one point. 3.No mind 4. Keep weight underside. You will be immovable Did I get them right? Is this what you mean? Also 1. Not just hands or fingertips or sword ... every pore of the body, and the eyes as well 2. Hara - make it a black hole at the centre of the Universe, everything is attracted to it and falling into it. 3. If you cannot do this ... think only and see only 'clear blue sky'. 4. Underside changes when you move so weight underside moves ... all 'under' surfaces, even the bottom of the ear lobes and the bottom of the top eyelid ... all of it. And Isimsiz Biri will be immovable. Every meeting cut you will drive opponents sword off-centre. Tanto will not find you. Jo will not either, place them back on the Shoman. Clear blue sky - one cut Clear blue sky - another cut. But this is not Okinawan ... see Daityo Ryu

Yes ... lizard is sitting up and being still and attentive.

I believe . At times when I used to train at the park by the river ... we would do "Rohi' a form supposedly based on the heron. Heron would turn up and show us how its done, hunting amidst the riverside rushes. PS. I did say tail feathers

I ascended 'Jacobs Ladder' in the Red Lodge does that count?

Did Jesus emotional body need tempering, did God send him to the dark reaches of the astral for turning the tables and whipping the money lenders out of the temple? What do you think Jesus would do to the temple now if he came back and discovered the state of 'his' church?

Firstly ... may I correct you it is Aboriginal ( think of it as 'an original') not Ab origin (although that is interesting as it can mean the 'origin of the father' ) Also, I have no master ... he is one of my teachers. Cannot a good man and bad man have the same father? Here is ONE connection for you. Aboriginal wise man points to Mars " You see that fellah up there! That's Bungil ... he is old eagle eye ... he can get angry, his eye is red. He looks after the Law, if you break the Law he will punish you . he is always flying around up there like an eagle hawk he is watching us. Don't break the Law, you will make him angry and he will swoop down and punish you, and maybe us too if we let you break the Law. Crowley speaks in terms of Egyptian Gods to explain things ; one concept is Horus. His planet is Mars. He is shown as has a man with hawk's head, In the form of Horus Ra Khuit (Ra-Hoor-Khuit) he is known to vengeful , you can read about him in The Book of the Law. Australian Aboriginals never met ancient Greeks yet their mythology that is around that group of stars we know as Scorpio has all the traits that come from a Greek astrological (and later) concept/s of Scorpio. I could go on ... and on ... are you familiar with Jung's concept of the collective unconscious? That is another level where we are all connected ... through the mythic as well. Inside we are all brothers ... our blood is all red, Each piece of fruit on your table is wonderful and different (and I know Turkey has some of the best food and diet in the world,so you are fortunate ) ... some do not like the lemon ... Iranians eat the lemon and the skin as well. I do not chastise them for it as it hurts no one else.

Dude! That doesn't make sense, there will be no momentum for uplift until I get the speed up , so there cant be any evolution (like an inter-celluar 'super-efficient machine' it cant evolve ... its a built in 'design by intelligence' ) Of course I will need feathers growing out my arse as well for steerage (might make a change from my words coming out of there?)

I am not going to cover it up , the church or a moderator can do that. I was asked a rather insensitive or naïve question. And here lies the truth in plain and clinical language (not rude or swearing ). If I choose to start being rude or swearing then I will do as you ask. Thank you , in that case, for the instructions.

I find it hard to believe you do not know ... it is a world wide scandal there is a big government enquiry about it in my country. I will spell it out for you as plain as I can Priests, whose spiritual duty and responsibility before God is to educate and lead their church members in a spiritual way and under the laws and rules of their own church culture ... and who were trusted by the parents and the small children ... took some of those children and victims. Well ... look at that ... I found another definition of Evil ! (with a capital E ) ... You asked me ... ( I stood up to them ... these sorts don't try it on those that will smash them in the face if they try it .... that's why they preach non-violence and to put up with c**p in life and get your reward and fairness later in 'heaven' .)

But they are all connected ,... don't you see the one? Stand back and see that the shining light that attracts YOU isn't THE light, it is just one facet of the jewel. The jewel reflects a greater light from beyond. Do not be afraid of the eclectic . You can live on chop suey you know ... if you make it the right way it can be healthy and nourishing ...pity is not a required ingredient though. Maybe a dose of salt is ? I remember Idris Shah ... I read some of his stuff as a teenager ... many many years ago. .... Its gotta be better than' Mutant Message Down Under ???? yes ??? why would you read a book of that name anyway ??? Did you watch the link I posted for you ... it is many gifted people sharing their traditions ... acknowledging the jewel they are all part off; each a beautiful thread ... or, if you like a chop suey “ Thus we gather up all the threads of human passion and interest, and weave them into an harmonious tapestry, subtly and diligently with great art, that our Order may seem an ornament even to the Stars that are in the Heavens at Night. In our rainbow-coloured texture we set forth the glory of the whole Universe— See thou to it, O brother, that thine own thread be strong, and pure, and of a colour brilliant in itself, yet ready to mingle in all beauty with those of thy brethren! “ Amen / Amoun ..