Nungali

The 'traditional' Jewish 'energetic stuff ' is way beyond me (in that I am not Jewish - and even if I where it is highly esoteric and only available to a few traditional specialists , as traditional kabalah is ) . The more 'obvious' stuff is based on hermetic kabbalah and mostly comes from the Golden Dawn and similar ( eg. when some of the GD members started studying and practicing Buddhism and yoga ) and correlated chakra systems with the idea of projecting the Tree of Life of the Kabbalah on to the human anatomy . The three main pillars on the Tree of Life ( Boaz and Jachin on the outside ) - when projected on to the body - seem to relate to the three main nadis . There are hermetic / magick practices relating to the middle one ( Middle Pillar ), but I dont know of any being related to the outside two . ( See 'Middle PIllar' by Israel Regardie . ) For me their value lies in their symbology and the associated 'knowledge lectures' that incorporate them ; its about balance, especially the balance between 'mercy and severity ' ; Unbalanced severity is cruelty which leads to oppression but unbalanced mercy allows and abets evil to exist . It seems an unfortunate requirement of the general human nature .

Oh yeah ! It could be regionally biased though .

I see my refereeing came in late . Glad to see a resolve . I was sorta taking the view that it was not trolling and got a bit out of hand and S got dumped on a bit in an overreaction . Although I chose not to say so ( I didnt want the same barrage he got ... well, actually, I dont mind a barrage , but I was worried it would be taken the same way ) , so I decided to hold back and see what played out . You came through ! very admirable Maddie ! You 'salvijed' it and Salvijus .... finally someone who says they are leaving but didnt came back and got resolve .

No, its in the LGBTQ PA restroom .

If I had a referee whistle I would blow it now . It seems to me Salvijus made a relevant point (in the midst of all that kerfuffle ) ' that some ascribe to the belief that spiritually we are neither male or female but incarnation chooses a role for us and to go with that experience we should not try to change that . I had thought that back there somewhere Maddie said . yeah , but I am not totally enlightened yet . Or something like that . Yoy should have accepted that S. as a an answer to what you where pointing out ., And further to that ; how do we know what a persons path really is ? Maybe it is to accept what 'life has given them' or maybe it is to find a way to change that . I would suggest such decisions about that stay with the person concerned and not be projected onto others choices . Just a thought , if I got things wrong I will hand my whistle in .

Not just that ... an inner dialogue with a lot more than just ego .... one could even say 'multiple entities ' ( I only use that term as 'personalities' is lacking ) ..... some of them dont seem to have much 'personality' .

Considering both of you ; meowosis .

I was being serious .

This could end up rather confusing though ; Training partner ; " Why did you relase the armbar when I didnt tap out ?" Maddie ; " Because , when we get home ...... she gets cookies ! " Training partner ;

Actually you have hit upon a technique of managing the psyche that I would really like to explore further . But off topic for here .

Mhe . I think she did much better with that very obvious abusing insulting one . This was a walk in the park after that one !

I like that ..... people trying to 'under mind ' you . Thanks, it is now in the Nungali vocabulary

Some seem to have no trouble at all < snicker >

Yes. Thats why ( I think I added in there somewhere ) ' If I feel like it ' - if I choose to . When I choose to it is only under certain conditions . other times, I am , well ......... <see below > ... outrageous , annoying , persistent, harassing .... as a friend once said ; "You where not put here to make life easy . " But for some I am . Eg when I nursed the old and infirm, some wanted to be treated formerly and professionally , I would do that . Others wanted it to be informal and casual , I would do that . I would observe some of the other workers there , regardless of how the patient wanted to be treated they would be treated how the worker felt they should be treated , and sometimes, unfortunately that was disrespectful . I dont do it, for example ; if a liar wants to be believed . So its not an 'across the board' sort of thing .

Have you seen 'Cave of Forgotten Dreams ' by Werner Herzog ? If not, watch it , it will blow you away . You gotta see them pics 'moving' that is , as you walk through the cave and past the images . A still photo just dont do it justice . Also this expands theory and usage of the caves .

Ummmm ..... that sound you hear when you ask a question and get a lame overused philosophical obscure answer ?

Yeah ..... I should have made TWO lines ; physical ; Female ............................................................................................... Male . and people can be born anywhere along that line . Many seem clustered at either end but few are on the exact end extremities . 'Perceptual' ( add emotions, feeling, 'spirit', whatever ) Feminine ................................................................................................ Masculine same applies . Note ; the points where you are need not be the same on the physical line to the perceptual line . Eg . Some men might be entirely 'masculine' but show vestigial feminine traces in their genitals due to early physical development of genitals .... " The external sex organs – the penis in boys, the clitoris and labia majora in girls – don't start to differ from each other until about 11 weeks. And even then, it takes several more weeks to be able to easily see the difference between boys and girls on an ultrasound. as we know , sometimes this process ' gets confused' and the body can produce any variety of physical combinations or mixtures of those physical organs .

Well, that depends where you got your morals from ; Christian perspective ? No, you are required to see them as you see yourself and treat them as you want yourself to be treated .

Oh wow ... ya GOITTA 'site that one . ( meaning ; reference please )

It wasnt the thing itself I was 'endorsing ' but the persons perception of what their True Will was . I dont support alcoholism , but if that is a persons path ..... <shrug > . I am a Thelemite , so I dont ' Treat others as I want to be treated ' ... my Goodness ! what problems THAT would cause . I aim to treat them as THEY WANT to be treated if I am going to do something like that .... or I might not bother . I know, its probably a weird perspective for most . I said how I gave ........ ten bucks in her street cup . Miss Doo-gooder decided to inform me and everyone else present that ...... is a junkie , dont give her money . Then she went on to delight all of us present in how fantastic she was by buying the woman a healthy balanced lunch instead and giving that too her instead .... you should do that too . Nah ..... she asked for some money, I gave it to her, or I could have decided not to , its up to her what she does with her money . besides , what she gonna do with 2 , 3 or 4 lunches !

Now I am confused again . You seem to be talking about truth as if it has some human type attributes ? Perhaps you are talking about a human's perception of how truth is ?

This thread became very confusing for me .... I have to pay more attention to whats going on . I thought I was reading a post from Silent Thunder but it was from Blue eyed Snake ; I was .... Silent Thunder is like 'Bob' from 'Fight Club ' ? Well, I got that sorted , so now I can return to the world of 'normality ' .

Will he laugh or be offended at that ?

Ah , ya lost me now . Defending something 'devious' ?