Nungali

They do to me ..... BUT ... two female friends who recently where told they needed one , refused for that very reason . One said the doctor suggested all sorts of benefits no more PM , no more this, no more that . She was very upset with doctor and declared that was what makes her a woman .

I actually agree with that . ' Say something' could be anything and not be offensive at all . Why get offended over 'something' . Saying 'something offensive ' is different ; subjective / objective . I would have to change it a bit though , as I dont expect others to behave as I do , ie make it an 'I statement ' . ' If I am offended about what someone else says , it was ME that got offended .... I could choose not to be offended , or take it in any way I choose .' EG . I might tell a friend they are a dickhead and they might laugh and say " Yeah .... I am sometimes .' The exact same statement ( caused by observation of same behavior ) might cause another (or the same person on a different day ) to be offended, hurt , sad, laugh, take it quietly, fire it back .... would I be responsible for all those different potential reactions or is it the person 'reacting' to them ? - yeah , I know I am off topic as this is not a 'transgender' issue but a general one . . .

I asked the same question to a 'mid-trans' guy in a magic group I was associating with for a bit , his answer was , " Because I needed to experience both in one lifetime ." < shrug > I thought that answer was 'fair enough ' .

Probably not . I doubt there would be any interest in it here aside from two other people .

Why is it confusing ? I dont understand that at all . " If one is true, the other must be false, right? " No, wrong . Why are you setting up this either / or thing ? I do not understand the statement 'if one is true the other must be false ' ... why ? You actually stated and set up at the beginning " which is beyond all " . You didnt state and set up ' this is the reality ' about either realities . You first made a distinction between them , then claimed confusion by saying how can they have a distinction . Now, THAT ^ is confusing ! UNLESS there is some doctrine I dont know of that states ; absolute or relative , there must be one or the other . " '

Ahhhh ... but this isnt 'an act' . Its about being . Not acting . Many men , in this new age of ( moving towards ) equality know how to act . And they can act however they want in more liberal societies that are more open and inclusive than Texas ( what do you like about it by the way ? You are still there , although it must have been difficult for a long time ) . But, the old 'act like a man ' and being told to 'man up ' and what that meant and implied ... well, a lot of that has been tossed out now . If I had asked those questions to my parents generation it would be easy answers ; "Of course I know what it means to be a man ! To be the bread winner of the family and work , to fight and defend my country, if need be . To be master of my emotions, while women stay at home and do the cleaning and childminding . ... and so on . Nowadays ? Many men aint so sure ... even in places like the opposite of Texas . You would not turn an eye here Maddie . But still this is where I find male identity confused or unknown . They threw the SNAG thing out some time back . There are 'New Age' type of workshops about it ... but OMG ! The stuff they are putting out ! . Nothing is out there that seems to be adopted as an overall model . If I ask women the same questions , I get an immediate response ... they are on 'the up' (a bit ) in our society , some are even enthusiastic in their descriptions of what it means and where they are going . I am nearly tempted to ask you ..... what does it mean 'to be a woman ' , to you Maddie ?

I have , of course I am sure you have read my views on initiation and 'coming into manhood' ... and how the western system of it has virtually become extinct . So I could put my hand up on each of those questions . My definition is on 7 levels; a man should have '7 heads' . But I won't go into that here ..... off topic . I will say however that in some of these systems , what 'makes you a man' might be considered effeminate in some western views . Eg . in the Samurai tradition , you are not a 'real man' unless you can arrange a nice bunch of flowers (ikibana ) , appreciate nature and beauty , write beautiful and meaningful poetry , and in a beautiful calligraphic style and spend some time on your hairdo and facial make up ..... and there is the killing people with swords and stuff . In my tradition , the 'consciousness of a poet ' and of a 'certain type of woman ' is also required . One must be a warrior as well . And this path is also open to women ; Artemisia I - historically famous for her valour at the Battle of Salamis toward the end of Xerxes I's invasion of Greece in 480 BCE. ... or these 'girls ' ; YPJ - Kurdish women's army defending and liberating women and children from IS capture .

Wait ..... doesnt 'the anti-Christ' come first

Well, in my experience ,, gender is a line with male one end female the other , VERY few people are on the extreme points. But in some cultures and societies , they seem obsessed with extremes ; you are either one or the other , on many levels . So if your 'natural state ' is in conflict with supposed ideologies then those that hold to those ideologies, or have been brain washed by them , may feel threatened . Or they might feel threatened by you ..... upsetting the apple cart , so to speak . Then, there is all this .... I am sorry .... BULLSHIT about 'being a man ' and what that means to some and how that is threatened in a similar process . " You say I aint been a man ! ? ... thems duelin' words ! and I will add that concept is really suffering and failing ! I went to a men's workshop and after listening dumbfounded for half an hour I had to ask ' Who thinks they have been through a process or even that made them a man , or some transition in life where you thought now I am a man - purely under your own definitions' . Less than half the hands of the group went up . I asked the others 'do you know what it means or what the term is describing 'to be man ' , again, less than half . So near 1/4 of the men present did not even have a definition of what it means . ... even to them !

Yeah ..... I wasnt going to mention the 'surgical changes ' ... they can be a bit gruesome . To give you an idea about 'gruesome primitive surgery ' - eg . circumcision ; the bower bird is revered for suggesting that a sharpened piece of shell be used for the circumcision ... much better than the old way .... a glowing red tip of a burning stick was used . Thank goodness for improvements in technology !

An X represents the shape of a chromosome , they pair to make XX . We have 23 pairs of them so a woman is ' 46 XX ' . What distinguishes a man is that on the last chromosome pair , on one of them , the shape of it seems to have one 'arm' missing , hence a ' Y ' shape . It is designates as 46XY . The 'dont fit in to those categories ' , you might be thinking of what is termed ' 46 XO ' , that is, the last pair has an X and not a Y but it is missing or ( I am bit rusty on this, going off memory here ) it might have a different shape ? This is also the genetic designation for ' Turner syndrome ' . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome

I could not find the map on line I was thinking of, it is in a book I have . But I found this ; https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/

Somewhere in my anthropological studies I came across a map of the world showing ' permanent transgender identification in indigenous societies' .... 'across the board' , apparently , or as I like to say ' across time and locations ' . Seems its always been a part of the 'human condition' . I will try and find it and post it .

At the moment .... my false teeth - I cant find them anywhere !

But is the aim of joining such a society to get 'symbolic stuff'' ? . Of course not . If it was then there would be no point in joining as what you want would be widely accessible . I have heard, many times and many different answers , but when 'the seeker' is asked , 'What do you seek ?' I have never heard anyone answer ..... 'Symbolic stuff' or 'symbolism' or any such answer . If they did i might suggest 'Its out there and widely acceptable ' . These answers seem off topic in that they are supposed to be about people that HAVE been in such a society and not poeople who have never been in one giving the usual outside perspective . /

My neighbor had a visiting rabbit that did that - it came from the camp ground across the road where some woman was living in a teepee with three kids, and for some reason , 5 rabbits . He didnt get far , the rooster came flying out and beat up the rabbit ; " Not on my turf you dont ! "

.... so, it got corrected ?

At first I was afraid, I was petrified Kept thinkin' I could never live without you by my side Then I spent so many nights Just thinking how you did me wrong And I grew strong And I learned how to get along And so you're back from outer space I just walked in to find you here, with that sad look upon your face I should have changed that stupid lock I should have made you leave your key If I had known for just one second you'd be back to bother me Go on now go, walk out the door Just turn around now 'Coz you're not welcome anymore Weren't you the one who tried to break me with goodbyes? you think I'd crumble? you think I'd lay down and die? Oh no not I, I will survive For as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive I've got all my life to live And I've got all my love to give I'll survive I will survive Hey hey (I, I will survive) Hey hey (I, I will survive) Every day (I, I will survive) Oh yeah It took all the strength I had not to fall apart Just trying hard to mend the pieces of my broken heart And I spent oh so many nights just feeling sorry for myself I used to cry, but now I hold my head up high And you see me, somebody new I'm not that chained up little person still in love with you And so you felt like dropping in and just expect me to be free But now I'm savin' all my lovin' for someone who's lovin' me Go on now, go walk out the door Just turn around now You're not welcome anymore Weren't you the one who tried to break me with goodbyes? you think I'd crumble? Did you think I'd lay down and die? Oh no not I, I will survive Oh as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive I've got all my life to live And I've got all my love to give I'll survive I will survive Hey hey Go now, go walk out the door Just turn around now 'Coz you're not welcome anymore Weren't you the one who tried to break me with goodbye? Did you think I'd crumble? Did you think I'd lay down and die? Oh no not I, I will survive Oh as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive I've got all my life to live And I've got all my love to give I'll survive I will survive I will survive

Our group had fun wearing 'elaborate costumes ' ! We worked on many levels , some private some 'communal' , that is rites and celebrations that are put on for the 'general populace ' . One, for example, was a great maypole we did one year . Everyoone enjoyed making and wearing their elaborate costumes . And the art , installations and sculpture we did . We had vine wreathed lithe dancers , a crazy stained green man , a harp player , stayrs nymphs and made a great multi colored woven maypole . For other rites - astrological / mythical , similar (but more a closed group .) A group of 'thesbians' we where .... and it was fun . Also learnt a LOT too . - but, you might have noticed (if you look into such things ) many .... many many , initiation rites , the 'serious' or real ones , cross culturally , start of .... ' Get yer gear off ' . - you 'start off' how you came into the world . So , flamboyant dresser-uppers going to be disappointed .

Did you know Sichuan 'pepper' isnt really pepper ? Its a type of citrus .

You won't have to go back . Soon its all going to be connected to the internet ... even refrigerators fer gawd's sake .... just need the internet to fail and .....

Not necessarily .... all you have to do is show us a youtube of your balls on a table .