Nungali

Or this; "Honey; prepare a feast ... a man from another country and culture is coming here. he will leave all his ideas at the airport and come here to learn new things and .... " Wait a minute ! Did you say poker? Please don't tell me you gamble ???? NO! Seriously ... gambling is BAD! that is the ONE thing I cannot accept! Please tell me you do not gamble in your house ... if you do I cannot come there ... any house that gambles in it, anyone who enters will go to hell. gambling is from Satan you know? And coffee is the drink of Satan ! did you know that? .... SUGAR ! .... Don't start me on sugar ..... OMG! Coffee gambling and sugar This changes everything! Now; "Honey ... everything has changed ... still make the food though ... he will have take-away."

VERY good ... see! I knew you had a sense of humour ! Not too good. How about this; "Honey, a guy who looks for the connection between everything and tries to find areas where very different things relate to each other so he can help bring peace and understanding between very different peoples by understanding their view point wants to be our guest. You must cook him beautiful Turkish food and I will take him to the Blue Mosque and the archeological and spiritual sites of Turkey. He is a bit different and wild and lives in nature so he smells a bit ... but he will sleep in the garden.

Oh? maybe this subject is completely unnecessary? Do you think YOU really stayed on topic ... this is about Okinawa art ... not Japanese ... But I will accept your blame if it makes you feel better Where do you think Aikido came from? Ueshiba didn't 'invent it' ... he paid for it! Sometimes a LOT for just one technique. Much came from Daito Ryu ... old style though ... I doubt you will even find a clip of it on internet ... what is there is modern stuff corrupted by the usual corruptions. If you think Tohei was the first person to realise those principles ... well that is okay ... you are free to think what you want. But he didn't . But I wanted to see if (for once) I knew what you were talking about without looking at the link ... my friend; you place a lot of faith in the validity of 'links' and internet. I disagree ... that is the order you LEARN in. 1. Sitting meditation ... don't loose one point .... you loose it ? WACK ... across the back with Jo. moving meditation, you lose one point ... WACK! Senior black belts strike your face (but stop one hair away) - you loose one point? Wack! then with bokkan ... then with live sword ... stop one hair away from face - do not loose one point. Now you do a technique ... move at last instant, take the sword and trow them away ... do not loose one point in confidence! Then work your way through 2 3 4. But it is not in the order of flow this is the order of learning, See the order I listed my 1 2 3 4 ; Fire air water earth ... must be in order or your Ki will be depleated I reality though you must have all 4 at the same time. You wont understand it (or me ) unless you TRY to understand it

You do not know how to correct them? Maybe if you only see them as wrong you know how to correct them. Crowley is dead, so nothing needs to be done. I would like to come to Turkey ... thankyou ... can I stay at your house? I would like to see how you get on in your country by never clearly answering a question or having a logical sequential conversation with anyone it must be fascinating, I have a friend from Turkey, he is a Jew , he told me people in Turkey were good and kind to him.

1, Project Ki. 2.Focus on one point. 3.No mind 4. Keep weight underside. You will be immovable Did I get them right? Is this what you mean? Also 1. Not just hands or fingertips or sword ... every pore of the body, and the eyes as well 2. Hara - make it a black hole at the centre of the Universe, everything is attracted to it and falling into it. 3. If you cannot do this ... think only and see only 'clear blue sky'. 4. Underside changes when you move so weight underside moves ... all 'under' surfaces, even the bottom of the ear lobes and the bottom of the top eyelid ... all of it. And Isimsiz Biri will be immovable. Every meeting cut you will drive opponents sword off-centre. Tanto will not find you. Jo will not either, place them back on the Shoman. Clear blue sky - one cut Clear blue sky - another cut. But this is not Okinawan ... see Daityo Ryu

Yes ... lizard is sitting up and being still and attentive.

I believe . At times when I used to train at the park by the river ... we would do "Rohi' a form supposedly based on the heron. Heron would turn up and show us how its done, hunting amidst the riverside rushes. PS. I did say tail feathers

I ascended 'Jacobs Ladder' in the Red Lodge does that count?

Did Jesus emotional body need tempering, did God send him to the dark reaches of the astral for turning the tables and whipping the money lenders out of the temple? What do you think Jesus would do to the temple now if he came back and discovered the state of 'his' church?

Firstly ... may I correct you it is Aboriginal ( think of it as 'an original') not Ab origin (although that is interesting as it can mean the 'origin of the father' ) Also, I have no master ... he is one of my teachers. Cannot a good man and bad man have the same father? Here is ONE connection for you. Aboriginal wise man points to Mars " You see that fellah up there! That's Bungil ... he is old eagle eye ... he can get angry, his eye is red. He looks after the Law, if you break the Law he will punish you . he is always flying around up there like an eagle hawk he is watching us. Don't break the Law, you will make him angry and he will swoop down and punish you, and maybe us too if we let you break the Law. Crowley speaks in terms of Egyptian Gods to explain things ; one concept is Horus. His planet is Mars. He is shown as has a man with hawk's head, In the form of Horus Ra Khuit (Ra-Hoor-Khuit) he is known to vengeful , you can read about him in The Book of the Law. Australian Aboriginals never met ancient Greeks yet their mythology that is around that group of stars we know as Scorpio has all the traits that come from a Greek astrological (and later) concept/s of Scorpio. I could go on ... and on ... are you familiar with Jung's concept of the collective unconscious? That is another level where we are all connected ... through the mythic as well. Inside we are all brothers ... our blood is all red, Each piece of fruit on your table is wonderful and different (and I know Turkey has some of the best food and diet in the world,so you are fortunate ) ... some do not like the lemon ... Iranians eat the lemon and the skin as well. I do not chastise them for it as it hurts no one else.

Dude! That doesn't make sense, there will be no momentum for uplift until I get the speed up , so there cant be any evolution (like an inter-celluar 'super-efficient machine' it cant evolve ... its a built in 'design by intelligence' ) Of course I will need feathers growing out my arse as well for steerage (might make a change from my words coming out of there?)

I am not going to cover it up , the church or a moderator can do that. I was asked a rather insensitive or naïve question. And here lies the truth in plain and clinical language (not rude or swearing ). If I choose to start being rude or swearing then I will do as you ask. Thank you , in that case, for the instructions.

I find it hard to believe you do not know ... it is a world wide scandal there is a big government enquiry about it in my country. I will spell it out for you as plain as I can Priests, whose spiritual duty and responsibility before God is to educate and lead their church members in a spiritual way and under the laws and rules of their own church culture ... and who were trusted by the parents and the small children ... took some of those children and victims. Well ... look at that ... I found another definition of Evil ! (with a capital E ) ... You asked me ... ( I stood up to them ... these sorts don't try it on those that will smash them in the face if they try it .... that's why they preach non-violence and to put up with c**p in life and get your reward and fairness later in 'heaven' .)

But they are all connected ,... don't you see the one? Stand back and see that the shining light that attracts YOU isn't THE light, it is just one facet of the jewel. The jewel reflects a greater light from beyond. Do not be afraid of the eclectic . You can live on chop suey you know ... if you make it the right way it can be healthy and nourishing ...pity is not a required ingredient though. Maybe a dose of salt is ? I remember Idris Shah ... I read some of his stuff as a teenager ... many many years ago. .... Its gotta be better than' Mutant Message Down Under ???? yes ??? why would you read a book of that name anyway ??? Did you watch the link I posted for you ... it is many gifted people sharing their traditions ... acknowledging the jewel they are all part off; each a beautiful thread ... or, if you like a chop suey “ Thus we gather up all the threads of human passion and interest, and weave them into an harmonious tapestry, subtly and diligently with great art, that our Order may seem an ornament even to the Stars that are in the Heavens at Night. In our rainbow-coloured texture we set forth the glory of the whole Universe— See thou to it, O brother, that thine own thread be strong, and pure, and of a colour brilliant in itself, yet ready to mingle in all beauty with those of thy brethren! “ Amen / Amoun ..

Birds fly down all the time ... I plan to start that way ... the tricky bit is zooming upwards at the end ... I think the trick is to just get up enough momentum...

what is the subconscious?

Difference is I have done it, realised both sides of it and the middle ... and I joke about it. Its not about fantasize for me, its about doing it and learning the real life lessons ... not postulating never doing it through fear of change or it all might go wrong ... I know what you mean; I have had to make the minimal infrastructure and help others do the same and pick up the mess that others left when they couldn't stand their 'roughing it fantasy'.

Fun aint it? I got sorta bounced on the ground (still standing up) and POW .... off I went like an explosion went off under me "Whaaa happened?" " I bounced your Ki'" "You did what now ??? - Ha! 'Play martial arts' ... I stepped up for a demo dummy once ... it got 'vigorous and enjoyable' ... after, the demonstrator says to me, "Ah! You have played aikido before!" Me; "Why do you say 'play' aikido?" "Because until we start carrying around live swords and using them against each other again, and learning again how to do that, it is all playing."

Feeling whiny ? Then get thee to a winery - that'll fix you up. His ring is extremely useful

And I am sorry I cant spend my valuable time doing research for you about things you want to know about That book sounds like a fake to me too . My friend ... if I wanted to know about the poetry of Rumi I do not read Bhagwan Shree Rajneeshe's book on what Rumi meant about his poems or some hippy rubbish about it ... I would read the works of Rumi and latter Sufi commentaries, then maybe some academic studies about Rumi and Sufism It is not a 'demon' that is a modern / English / Christian word and has a perverted meaning. LIke many English words ... it is a good language for commerce but not metaphysics. Unfortunately I am stuck with it I tried already to explain it to you as a third view ... a view the indigenous and religious have about the world they live in and things they DO see and DO experience (all around the world through all times) and the religious see as a miracle. But the religious turn it back to dualism and see a miracle from God or a 'bad work of magic or sorcery' from Iblis Devil Satan ... and under him , demons. The indigenous do not necessarily think like that (unless they are religious and not shamanic). The works of Joseph Harpur are a modern look at an attempt to understand this. It is probably too deep to work it all out here but the 'uberstanding' ( larger understanding with penetrative insight) of all of that may be essential to getting the gist of this thread?

If only you knew of the evil seeds that many of the members and clergy of the RCC and the concepts of that church itself and others and others have planted in the minds of children you would not have put it that way. I hope you can then extricate yourself from this 'philosophical muddle'. Thanks, but I already know what Sin is; "The word of sin is restriction." and " Nevertheless have the greatest self-respect, and to that end sin not against thyself. The sin which is unpardonable is knowingly and wilfully to reject truth, to fear knowledge lest that knowledge pander not to thy prejudices. "

So now you dream of flying - well good luck to you, I hope it felt good. I miss my very vivid childhood flying dreams . I also believe some simple / psychological dreams can hold messages, morph, represent other things processes and developments. The "Dreamtime" is a place, where amongst other things, metamorphosis of and development of forms take place .... the archetypal world is flexible in this realm .

Wow dude! That is one big piece of psychological projection (look it up, wiki has a good page on it) and assumption about someone else's .... everything ... how on earth did you get 'insight' like that. I mean how do you know what she might do want dream become or find out there I mean .... sheesh! .... <walks off mumbling >

Welll ... I just might prove ALL of you wrong ... it might just be the last thing I do ( I never said which direction I wanted to 'fly' ... it might be straight down ) .

Maybe read between the lines and not just on the surface ??? Didn't I say somewhere that people don't believe that I have actually found happiness and satisfaction with my life? Maybe not. It doesn't matter, this a gift for me, not them , and I am going to accept it - bogglebear ! I'm not talking about a fleeting satisfaction or a situational one or one that disappears when sickness, pain and 'misfortune' abound ... it is a simple state of just being that because you are alive and in existence and even possibly looking very near death straight in the face with no problems or false assurances or beliefs in an after life or absolute non-existence for all I know... and the feeling / state / rewiring / stasis / is still there. A lot of that was 'dreaming' ( also relates to 'dreamtime' ) (plus yeaaars of other and eclectic practice, but here we could also have a cultural misunderstanding as well ... plus I realise my 'sense of humour' isn't for everyone. But then again I really don't expect anyone else get it so ... <shrug>