Nungali

Taoism, in essence, has not been infected. It understands the 3 views. I have come to the conclusion that these two guys Steven and Evan Strong are either reference / research fudging, lying, would be money makers with books to appease new age alternoconspiracist wackos ... or are insane.

so, whats the latest on under the Sphinx ... if I remember Zahwi was cranky and di not want to allow further exploration ... why the F not ??? Then, I guess the s hit the fan in Egypt and has been splattering ever since ?

Ah ... just saw this, thanks

And I heard that was rubbish ... they had a team of savant recorders with them searching for and respecting ancient knowledge. In any case I don't mean the 'blowing of (off) the nose, I mean shaping the lion (?) head down to an out of proportion pin head. And as I said before ; out of proportion ? ... in Old Kingdom ?????

Oh .... my ..... god .... ! How ..... shocking! The terrible man ... he sounds like a Tibetan 'A lie ster Crow ley'

People used to complain about me striking in Aikido and my 'violent' approach. So I bought my old Aikido book to training with a picture of Master Ueshiba evading a sword blow and jabbing fan ribs towards attackers eyes with an insane violent look on his face. [Aikido got 'marketed' very differently just after the end of WWII (funny that ).] It will help you although to get your 'weight' lined up good behind a technique and use body extension . To toughen the body to receive technique I'd suggest going a bit south-west to Okinawa. Its important to remember though, these techniques are mostly related to 'Temple Style' and both have 'sacrificial elements' - just make sure you wont become devoted to something else that you will need to use your body for later. [ I saw the Wu-shu hard head champion smash ,,, well, anything, then they put his head between blocks and hit them with a sledgie ... in slo mo you could see his head flex and spring back ... boooowoooup ! then I saw him interviewed. he said his training started as a small child , he had to continually wack his head into the wall. Then he got this sad look on his face ..... and I did too

Could be the metal in their constitution (big golden hearts - when you get to know them )

I would be happy to read papers on this view except I haven't found one written by a non-Indian ... ? And the one's I did read that were written by an Indian seemed .... agitated and adamant (just as I was about no Australoids being in India - above)

Anyway getting back to the topic (sort of ). I watched medieval battle dudes ... impressed ... asked the guy ... some of those moves you did looked like (insert what you will) did you train in that ? He snuffed at that "anything that works can look similar, we all have the same body, and movements follow the same laws. However ,,, a particular form of art may have passed to China from India and developed there ... I doubt it took over all Chinese arts extant at the time though.

I am stating the opposite (except the Nazi bit) dogmatically and I wont argue it either I never new the Vedic people found India totally unpopulated! (Gosh what happened to all the Australoids - whose genes can be traced back to small indigenous groups still in India today ... smacks of 'Terra Nullias' ... no, no one there - just some black fellas - looks like it's ours then ) Aryan race is a Nazi mis-nomer ... what does race even mean anyway? I have seen no hint that Proto-Indo Europeans, whose culture settled in Aryana (from whence the name was derived ; 'Aryans' ) were a 'race' nor that they battled with the people of Mongoloid cultures and languages (again not a 'race').

,only non-abrahamic tradition in it's original form in the world still standing ??? Do you mean mainstream world wide organised religious traditions ???,

I am sorry if any one is offended by my ‘materialism’ but that article is rubbish IMO (also, read some of the objections posted under that theory on the site, some are quiet valid) Those guys credentials ???? I happen to personally know and are friends with and get taught by Bundjulung Elders. These guys do not understand the indigenous mindset and are interpreting things LITERALLY. Westerners (and some ‘educated’ indigenous … and anyone that has been ‘infected’ by the mindset) have lost part of their mind (i.e. view / observation mode) , a basic 3 model (at least) is required ; westerners sacrificed a very important 3rd perspective when we adopted the dualistic outlook (which is either / or …or, if one likes, ‘digital’). All of this (giants, origins etc.) can be understood if one can again find this 3rd mindset. Which cant be found in a dualistic framework. Apparently this guy’s advice is one of the opinions behind the infiltration of ‘post-modernist’ curriculums in programs to educate whites about Aboriginals in Oz that I was bitching about earlier. The ‘Daimonic Reality’ which breaks into the world of dualism cannot be interpreted with one of the views of dualism (ie. It is a concrete real manifestation OR it is just a myth / story / imagination … it is actually part of both but neither of each). ‘Us westerners’ used to have this 3rd ‘Psychic Reality’ view, but the 17th century empiricism of Francis Bacon seemed to confirm Aristotle’s disdain for Plato’s ‘worthless spirituality’ . The philosophy of Rene Descartes ‘helped’ as well. We come into the modern world with a view of Mind (subject) and Extension (object). The Catholic Church (of course) had a good go at this as well; in the council of 869, they affirmed dogmatically that man was composed of two parts; body and spirit. The third component soul was incorporated vaguely under spirit … lumping it together so the essential distinction is now lost (ask ‘average anyone’ to describe the difference between the two). It is ‘soul’ (Gk; psyche, Lat; anima ) that is an intermediate world that partakes of the other two, not a world that is either of the other two; it is a world ‘between’ the other two that can partake of both). Jung seems to have been grasping towards it in his concept of ‘Psychic Reality’ (perhaps because he encountered it directly). To interpret the indigenous ‘reality’ in a western dualism (i.e. this did really happen physically … or it didn’t) and convey that to dualists is a great disservice to the Indigenous anywhere. The indigenous see it different and will affirm the reality of things ( Auntie B…. will get cranky if you dispute that the first man came out of that waterhole RIGHT THERE <points to it> ) yet she wont get cranky about another ‘dreamtime’ story that is different. (Confused The same seems to applies in Egyptology … for clarity I suggest the work of Rosemary Clarke … I know this applies to Aboriginality as I asked one of the most senior Bundjalung elders (the same the author of that article puts up for his own personal ‘cred’) and he said it is so in their culture … that is what ‘song lines’ are all about. * Just because little people left footprints around the fire last night does not prove their mundane physical appearance … although it proves their ‘ reality’, just as the fact that I can’t catch a little man at night in a box and show him to you the next day does not disprove his ‘un reality’. Tracks in the sand …. Tracks in our DNA … like flies at times … can’t see them … but can see where they have been. *Perhaps I can explain how variant 'myths' can be' true' to the dualistic mind with this quote; “ … thus we gather up all the threads of human passion and interest, and weave them into an harmonious tapestry, subtly and diligently with great art, that our Order may seem an ornament even to the Stars that are in the Heavens at Night. In our rainbow-coloured texture we set forth the glory of the whole Universe— See thou to it, brother Magician, that thine own thread be strong, and pure, and of a colour brilliant in itself, yet ready to mingle in all beauty with those of thy brethren! “

Damn! pressed unlike instead of quote again ! Do people get notified of unlikes as they do likes? I pressed quote (eventually) as I agree with your observation re 'usage'. 'Most studies' might benefit by forming an 'agenda' after the data is analysed

So ... who did the vandalism to the Lion's head ... it would have had to have been someone at least as 'outrageous' as Ramses II ... some distant ancestor perhaps?

You cant hold a good Diamon down As I wrote somewhere else around here ... its like sweeping it under the carpet and stomping down the lumps and like suppression of 'natural instincts' will surface in one way or another if it cant find expression in the new system. I like going into the basement of architecture, especially churches ... come of it has interesting symbolism ... as if 'someone' realised some of the above posted ideas .

yeah ... I was joking , Zawi (now sacked) used to 'chuck a tantie' like a squabbling penguin when any one came up with a 'maybe ...?' that was different to 'straight' interpretation. Last time I looked into the tunnels they just ... (ha! ... ) I mean last time I caught up with that story ( I haven't been down there) It just seemed to have faded away ... they found some stuff ... there was more ... they haven't done it yet. I am curious to know what IS under there. One of the more recent very large finds in the area was located by just digging there because not much was marked on the site digging map in that location. Many old sites were built on existent and natural cave complexes as well. Who knows what links with what.

Some people seem to have a remarkably strong constitution. I watched a brawl (from a distance ) in Auckland. Islander guy runs across the road, jumps, swings out an empty glass wine flagon from behind his back and lands, with all of that momentum, flagon first on the side of this Maori's head ... Maori winces to the side a bit, shakes his head like a wet dog, and turn to the guy and 'shapes up' ... (next day, giant Maori sitting near me at bar, staring at me ... I buy two beers and slide on over to him ... "There ya go mate." <big friendly Maori grin> Ohhh ... cheers cuz! " )

http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/images/aryans/devaMahishasuraBattle.jpg Here is a face off after the Indo-Europeans split , (after that we have very distinctive separation of cultures and locations; Indian through the Hindu Kush into India and the others fanning outwards and eventually establishing the first Persian Empire in the west) Armies were obviously well established even before this time. These examples don't show a make shift skirmish. However I know of no P.I.E. peoples war with China . I wouldn't want to take an army like that along the silk Route !

I was having a poke at the view that all Martial Arts in China came from India. Humans are supposed to have originated in Africa. I believe human Martial Arts started with humans. Later, specific styles may have migrated into other areas and influenced the forms there. The history of battle and war is a pretty long one ... especially tribal warfare . people learnt from the processes of invasion and defence as well. The cross-cultural influence in Martial Arts may have been going on long ago between China and India, before Buddhism. The time I am talking about above is before the Vedas. 'European looking' people were established in empire, in position with access to China and possibly Tibet. (One needs to remember that Persians (the western moving P.I.E. descendants ) were quite varied, some with light skin and hair , brown and green eyes ... it wasn't until after conquest and invasion of Arabs that many Persians or Iranians took on a their modern appearance.)

I believe so ...

Quick! Someone inform Zahi Hawass !

Okay ... excuse me again ... may I ask another question? Why is Tsongkhapa in you profile picture blocked with the international symbol for 'not allowed' ?

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Here is how you adapt spirituality to protect land, crops and people without 'justified violence'. Westerner : "But surely you must have other exceptions of when you are allowed to kill, what if invades come and try to steal your food, women and children?' Islander; "We have a secret place we go to and hide that I cant even tell you about, some men stay." Westerner; " Ah! The warriors?" Islander; "We have no warriors, they are spirit men. When the war canoes came, the last ones, a very long time ago , we leave some food and water on the beach, behind the beach on the way to the village is the ancestor ground, if they can get through that and get near the village then, the spirit men have all sorts of tricks hidden around, things appear and disappear, strange shapes and noises, and at night it works even better as the war canoes prefer to come at night . They usually just run away. "Sometimes for fun , we do that at night time to make the children laugh."

" Monks wouldn't want to fight without a spiritual side to the art, without it it just becomes violence " Without it , it does not become justified violence