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You said it was Biblical - " The concept of 33% of fallen angels rebelling against heaven in the bible " cite the passage then in another book of the Bible that says 1/3 of the angels fell from heaven . I'd love to read it ! Says who ? Show some proof . I see and that is atheism is it ? You yourself said you where deliberately trying to be stupid here .... you are doing a fine job so far . Nobody of course, they will abandon their atheism and run to religion for help Ahhh conspiracies I wonder why you had not gone there yet . Your a fan , of course . The mods should feed you to Old Bob That might be a good idea as you are rather terrible at it . That's today is it ? Last week you were rubbing our faces in how stupid you were being here - deliberately Of the Order of the Good Knights and Nuns of St Francis ( Sir Francis Dashwood that is ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Dashwood,_11th_Baron_le_Despencer and since you ask I also hold an ordination (it was never revoked so I still have it ) .

Let's tour wiki (as it saves a lot of typing ) ; " The daimon (δαίμων), also spelled daemon (meaning "god", "godlike", "power", "fate"),[1][2] denotes an "unknown superfactor", which can be either good or hostile.[3] In ancient Greek religion and mythology a daimon was imagined to be a lesser deity or guiding spirit.[4] The word is derived from Proto-Indo-European daimon "provider, divider (of fortunes or destinies)," from the root *da- "to divide".[5] Daimons were possibly seen as the souls of men of the golden age, tutelary deities, or the forces of fate.[6] " A tutelary (/ˈtjuːtəlɛri/; also tutelar) is a deity or a spirit who is a guardian, patron, or protector of a particular place, geographic feature, person, lineage, nation, culture, or occupation. The etymology of "tutelary" expresses the concept of safety and thus of guardianship. In late Greek and Roman religion, one type of tutelary deity, the genius, functions as the personal deity or daimon of an individual from birth to death. Another form of personal tutelary spirit is the familiar spirit of European folklore.[1] " " Socrates spoke of hearing the voice of his personal spirit or daimonion: - It isn't just the Greeks ; Blavatski had her King John and Yung had his 'Philamon' . We all have one , but not many are in communication consciously with them .... usually they work through the unconscious and seem 'suppressed ' or 'sleeping ' otherwise , which is the usual situation. Not really a problem unless some lesser part of the psyche 'splits off' and attempts to create its own identity . These lesser parts are better known as 'demons' and depending on their level or function can be malevolent . Which means , originally, they were 'out of place ' . Think of bringing inside the guard dog from the junkyard while you have invited people around for dinner . Or an excavator in a veggie patch . If that seems obscure think of your own anger and violence .... something not be used for accessed but kept in reserve for the appropriate time and action ( and if you cant conceive of that think of a home invasion when its up to you to preserve your family ; anger, adrenaline , swift reaction, etc might all be required ) . Like a crocodile that cleans up the dead and rotten from the bottom or the slow and sick from the shore, we too have forces like that inside us . Or even more subtle forces, when out of place or unregulated become troublesome and disruptive . There are more abstract forces 'above ' the tutilary spirit that relate more to the 'Superconscious' but they are more abstract and 'de-personified' ( meaning they don't claim personality or names but give identity as 'forces' or 'regulators' - these seem the opposite of 'demons' and have authority over them . The psychiatrist Dr VanDusen observed that when they are in 'absence ' ( sleeping, suppressed or ignored ) and other parts of the psyche attempt a 'take over' or an independence (or even a 'rebellion ' ) they can, if not overrule the psyche , at least 'pre occupy' it with their dramas, schemes, false information, insults and annoyances ( just like someone that is loosing an argument on an internet forum ) . However once invoked or 'awakened' these 'higher order' superconscious communications have hierarchy over these lower forces and can 'put them back in their place ' .... Dr VanDusen noticed that and recorded it as a ' rule' in dealing with these problems . It's a basic premise of magick So how is one to deal with this all ( if you don't want to 'deal' with it the usual way - stick head in sand ) ? Through 'magical technology' - available through some forms of magick or religion . One might then pose the question how to manage these forces in the psyche . The usual way is to go about believing there is one self with a will that decides what it is doing and then go about that . yeah right . But as some say " Well, that seems to work ... look how far we have got , we are doing pretty good ." Are we ? ... Are we really doing that good at managing things, ourselves and our environment ? Psychically we are collective . So who is going to run the show ? This is why one of the main symbolic accouterments ( or weapons or tools ) of the magician is the crown , you will often see them depicted wearing one . It is the magician which must rule this kingdom of internal 'spirits' or forces or 'drives' .... tendencies , influences , compulsions .... ( if you find this hard to comprehend , have you ever admonished yourself ? " Why the hell did you do that ? " or " I didn't want to do that but I had to and gave in ." - maybe it's violence or just eating chocolate cake BUT who is talking to who here ? Who is admonishing who or what ?) Of course it isn't as simple as putting on a crown and declaring your kingship ( many try , hence all the fake unbalanced egotistical masters and magicians in many areas . The tree of life titles offer some help here ; The first observation is that there is a male / female side , IE it has a polarity . Starting at the top the Magician has his crown . It is based on , or has worth in or was developed by the twin forces underneath it ; wisdom and understanding . . . of a higher nature , above the 'abyss' wherein lies 'knowledge ' ( Daath - not shown in diagram ) . Knowledge alone is not enough and can be dangerous without the other aspects ; Understanding is about the results of applying knowledge and wisdom is about creating those results within the right circumstances - the results of the knowledge itself and the wisdom in where and how to apply it and what will come from it . A King needs that . below that is mercy and judgement (or severity ) , very important for a king to have balance in . As it says in an important initiatory document " Remember that unbalanced force is evil; that unbalanced severity is but cruelty and oppression; but that also unbalanced mercy is but weakness which would allow and abet Evil." And so the qualities continue down until we get to the foundation which the Empire / Kingdom (psyche ) is built up on . In the hierarchy of the Psyche there are all types of levels , some have been briefly outlined above , but there are others which are 'autonomous ' ( a physical equivalence would be our autonomous functions like heart rate or respiration ) ; they care care of a LIMITED field ' by themselves ' without the need for higher or conscious regulation UNLESS they move out of place ( become 'rebellious' ) But also , they don't have a say in running things on a higher level and make higher decisions . Those forces are further up in the hierarchy . Its all spelled out clearly in the second degree initiation - life ( 3 degrees relating to birth life and death ) - including how to live your life , which includes , of course 'the vehicle' ; how to run and regulate your life ; " 1. This is the Constitution and Government of our Holy Order; by the study of its Balance you may yourself come to apprehension of how to rule your own life. For, in True Things, all are but images one of another; man is but a map of the universe, and Society is but the same on a larger scale. ..... 34 .... Such is a brief outline ... It combines monarchy with democracy; it includes aristocracy, and conceals even the seeds of revolution, by which alone progress can be effected. Thus we balance the Triads, uniting the Three in One; thus we gather up all the threads of human passion and interest, and weave them into an harmonious tapestry .... See thou to it, brother Magician, that thine own thread be strong, and pure, and of a colour brilliant in itself, yet ready to mingle in all beauty with those of thy brethren... " I realize hierarchical ideas are not popular like they used to be . Smart modern people just do what they feel like and justify and rationalize on a whim .... 'know without learning ' and act on what they think is 'intuition' , all the time praising this approach and complaining about the 'hierarchical authority ' that long term learning and trial and error and resultant adjustment brings about ... well that's turned out real well hasn't it ?

I left out my note to * (forces are collated ) ; *

Ohhh ... your quotes gone ... anyway , it reminded me of the 'gateway' of Saturn - Binah on the Tree of Life , The Great Sea but also The Great Mother . The forces are collected * and joined together and birthed through the abyss ..... when the energy is coming 'down' , so she is the giver of life . Hence Saturn represents structure, order, systems and the discipline to keep it all together and functioning . But going up the Tree it is a dissolving , Saturn is seen as 'destructive ' pulling things apart, releasing and a death through the abyss and a rising beyond - death and 'liberation' from life . It's a perspective thing ; from 'down here ' we rejoice when the gate opens and life comes forth , but not when life departs and the gate closes over .

Also then here is the quote you where referring to " ts tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. " Rev. 12 : 4 stars . the number of religiously unaffiliated individuals, including atheists, agnostics, and those who identify as "nones," continues to increase in many parts of the world, particularly in Western Europe and North America. What you are seeing is a rise in the birth rate of places that have more religious people as the less religious people don't breed as much because they are not restricted in things like contraception and abortions . How did 'wokeness' get into your religious / atheist comparisons ? And of course we have never learnt anything from examining fossils Besides , if you can remember it was YOU that started digging up 20 years ago ; " Making those types of unsubstantiated claims is an integral part of how atheism lost ground over the past 20 years as well " Your own comments are irrelevant and ancient knowledge to you now ? I responded to what was happening in the last 20 years You then respond with a lame comment about me digging up fossils from 20 years ago . Your brain works strangely ! Nope, I don't consider your view of it new at all . Its about to increase actually .... due to the current forces in the greatest country in the world and its illustrious leader .... but I am not allowed to talk about that here . NO , they got banned for being inconsistent argumentative dorks that could not hold their end up in a debate and used all those BS tactics people use in a discussion when they cant address the facts presented to them reasonably, then they start playing games and insulting the person because they are loosing their faith based arguments . people like that , of course , cant help themselves and inevitably they tried it on at least one moderator here and then 'ended up being banned ' Take that up with the moderator team . Its not my issue . Got any thing else ' on me ' ? .

I bet when you do a genius job on fixing something ... you followed those principles - even without knowing it .

To that end I always liked this 'invocation' ; The following invocation is conceived by John Seed in Thinking Like a Mountain: Towards a Council of All Beings. This invocation is appropriate as an opening for any nature-based practice and rituals. We ask for the presence of the spirit of Gaia and pray that the breath of life continue to caress this planet home. May we grow into true understanding ― a deep understanding that inspires us to protect the tree on which we bloom, and the water, soil and atmosphere without which we have no existence. May we turn inwards and stumble upon our true roots in the intertwining biology of this exquisite planet. May nourishment and power pulse through these roots, and fierce determination to continue the billion-year dance. May love well up and burst forth from our hearts. May there be a new dispensation of pure and powerful consciousness and the charter to witness and facilitate the healing of the tattered biosphere. We ask for the presence of the spirit of Gaia to be with us here. To reveal to us all that we need to see, for our own highest good and for the highest good of all. We call upon the spirit of evolution, the miraculous force that inspires rocks and dust to weave themselves into biology. You have stood by us for millions and billions of years — do not forsake us now. Empower us and awaken in us pure and dazzling creativity. You that can turn scales into feathers, seawater to blood, caterpillars to butterflies, metamorphose our species, awaken in us the powers that we need to survive the present crisis and evolve into more aeons of our solar journey. Awaken in us a sense of who we truly are: tiny ephemeral blossoms on the Tree of Life. Make the purposes and destiny of that tree our own purpose and destiny. Fill each of us with love for our true Self, which includes all of the creatures and plants and landscapes of the world. Fill us with a powerful urge for the wellbeing and continual unfolding of this Self. May we speak in all human councils on behalf of the animals and plants and landscapes of the Earth. May we shine with a pure inner passion that will spread rapidly through these leaden times. May we all awaken to our true and only nature — none other than the nature of Gaia, this living planet Earth. We call upon the power which sustains the planets in their orbits, that wheels our Milky Way in its 200-million-year spiral, to imbue our personalities and our relationships with harmony, endurance and joy. Fill us with a sense of immense time so that our brief, flickering lives may truly reflect the work of vast ages past and also the millions of years of evolution whose potential lies in our trembling hands. O stars, lend us your burning passion. O silence, give weight to our voice. We ask for the presence of the spirit of Gaia.

Ohhhh ..... you want me to substantiate my claims do you ? Okay then ; Now if you could get to the end of that , past the attempts of 'the believers' to derail it (who got banned , by the way ) , I would have gone on to this . 26 episodes there are . I have studied all of them . After you have , we can discuss it . Oh and by the way , my first 'theories' in that Judaism thread have been well backed up by Dr Finklestien now , and also, when I started that thread I had never heard of him . Now moving on to your UNSUBSTANTIATED claim about religion growing ... rather sully as now anyone can check with a quick Google and get ; " AI Overview In recent decades, religious affiliation has generally decreased in many parts of the world, with a rise in the number of people identifying as non-religious. While some religions, like Islam, have experienced growth, the overall trend shows a decline in religious affiliation and a rise in the number of religiously unaffiliated individuals. " Of course no proof or evidence or logic will sway you from this path you are on here though will it ?

That's a classic 'sanity check ' comment ! if you had not noticed , I don't just try ... I do it , all the time . That's what Neo-hermetics is ! Well not exactly , I do it a bit different ; NOT " searching for parallels in science which might apply to esotericism " but understanding the essential principles in hermetics (esotericism is too broad a term for this ) and discovering how they apply to the essential principles within physics . Here you go ... just one example of a post here on record " I might want to try it sometime "

Nope . They were "stars fallen from heaven " . Like I said , if you REALLY want to know , follow the history of the word and do some research EG . Realize what Revelations actually IS and there metaphors in it . Realize its a story about the then current political world in context of the COMMON 'war in heaven ' motif that is throughout the ancient world : Aesir - Vanir War , Asuras , Devas, Gigantomancy, War between Angels and Jinn, Theomachy, Titanomarchy, etc . That's some deep gematria you got going there Rubbish ! You going to claim some special power of the Bible now because it may or may not have deep hidden meanings about fractions ? - excuse me Sir ..... your indoctrination is showing .

There where Gnostics that thought exactly that and thought to do 'bad' in the eyes of this terrible 'God' actually means you are doing good , So they worshiped other Gods , practiced homosexuality, adultery , etc . Then there was the other group that wanted to do all that but were still too indoctrinated . Solution ? They found some passage that said while man walks on God's earth he must obey his rules .... when they were 'on the surface ' they were good . For 'other needs' they set up down in caves party time !

Dao = 0 the unmanifest . Giving birth to the one unveils its inner 'potential' ... the 'one ' being expressed as ( n- + n+ ) which = 0 The one giving birth to the two , n _ n+ unveils its inner potential ; - and + which is within the signature of all creation (10,000 things ) ; in physics this relates to 'supersymetry theory ' . I better not go on about that here , but it is a principle theorized to exist in many fields ' The supersymmetry algebra Supersymmetric quantum mechanics In finance Supersymmetry in quantum field theory Supersymmetry in condensed matter physics Supersymmetry in optics Supersymmetry in dynamical systems Supersymmetry in mathematics Supersymmetry in string theory Supersymmetry in particle physics Supersymmetric extensions of the Standard Mode Supersymmetry in alternate numbers of dimensions Fractional supersymmetry

That singularity that 'emanated ' before the big bang but after ..... whatever came before it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity Before ? Aside from being termed Dao ; 2. Models and Theories about What Came Before: Quantum Foam/Multiverse: Some models suggest a pre-Big Bang state of "quantum foam" or a multiverse where our universe is just one of many. Cyclical Universe: Another idea is a cyclical universe, where the Big Bang might be the result of a previous phase of contraction and expansion. Beyond the Big Bang: Some argue that asking about what existed before the Big Bang is meaningless because time as we understand it may have originated with the Big Bang. Inflationary Cosmology: Inflationary cosmology suggests that the universe underwent a period of rapid expansion very early on, which may have started from a finite state rather than a singularity. Hot Tricks in Nova Mix: For those that don't need to speculate on the details but just need a general idea . or ... " A Wizard did it "

I notice you saying it .... ( and I notice your attempts at giving it validity ; 'at some point ' ... more 'tone of being correct ' ) but I notice no one else ever saying it . I call bizzaro on that one . It seems like one of those overly head trip construct one can get from too much armchair and not enough field work ( theory / practice ) . .. and I mean worthwhile practice that gives everyday material benefit Sleep deprivation will not do that . No ... its a stage of 'energized enthusiasm ', is usually transitory ( except in the case of advanced 'genius ' ) and requires 'payback ' ( 'crashing' ) One the six spoked wheel it lies in the segment ruled by 'Bhakti Yoga' and 'Invocative Magick ' aka 'love ' ... heading towards the dark outer realm ( towards ignorance ) of obsession , but not in it , and heading out of the light inner realm ( towards enlightenment ) of the ' love section ' . Some of our greatest ( male ) heroes have been driven by their passion ..... it is a distinctive energy between Mars and Venus and without the driving Mars force , well, there is no 'passion' its more passive . Originally passion ( its roots ) meant to suffer or endure ... under that understanding , some women might agree with the above This is why I have never been a fan or practiced eastern 'tantra ' (of this type ) , its either totally mistaken and an old outworn sexist influenced load of rubbish ... or a different cultural mindset - either way , not for me . The western tantric view is not fraught with such inconsistencies . In short I would ask , if the container becomes full or is filling , what was the source ? Why not connect to the source and 'flow ' . To flow in and not out or to flow out and not in is not flow , and no flow means stagnation ..... 'pooling ' . If I draw in ki to my hara and extend out my hands ( let's say 'to heal ) , why would I stop ( ever ) drawing in ? No energy like this comes from another but it can be received direct and given to another or received from another .... but it all comes from a source .... why rely on a full bucket and worry and fuss and blame over it being depleted ... when you can just turn on the tap whenever you want water ? Unless you believe chi, ki or 'spiritual energy ' is generated by the person themselves ? The practices that seem like that are about making sure the 'hose' is allowing flow properly and the 'tap' is on .... and of course there is an outlet somewhere . The 'issue' that you are feeling a loss or drain should indicate lack of flow , or output beyond input . It isn't that the bucket is being filled and emptied that causes the problem ... you should not even need a bucket . But this eastern view is probably all mixed up with the physical process of ejaculation . . . a problem in the west as well . 'We ' consider that men and women contain both yin and yang . Do I need to go back to my point about old school sexism here ? I think I am glad the meaning is masked (although suggestive ) by the poor syntax ! Now I'm going to go 'Biblical on you ' " Actually Man lost part of his manliness so God could make the female body . A little diversion ; my brother informs me his grand daughter 'has my genes ' ... and here they where thinking I was the lone black sheep of the family ! She is attending Sunday school he informs me and ... Little Millie : " Why did God need to take Adam's rib to make a woman ?" Teacher : " Well, that's ... just what he did ... they way he did it . Why do you ask ? " " Well, he just said 'let there be Light' and there was light . He made this and that and everything just by saying so . But to make Eve he needed an Adam rib first ... and some dust and spit .... why didn't he just say " And let there be woman ? " Why is it different for making the woman ." Teacher : " Ummmm ..... look that's just what he did and it said so in the BIble . " - 'God' bless her ! ... and down the rabbit hole we go ... Silver vomit eh ? I seen that before ! don't leave out sexist , rude, comparing women to buckets , adopting a tone of being correct .... Yoiks ! .

This is amazing and groundbreaking ! Now I no longer have to waste my time ; searching for the right woman , paying money on dates , having a swish car , ( or even a shower ) , foreplay , condoms .... even 'being nice ' ..... all solved .... just wait until phone is at low power and place it on my LDT .... .

I doubt Christians never knew ( and probably still do not ) 'demonology' . Most of what is in their old manuscripts , they picked up in the early period by copying the lore from Greek and Arabic grimories and some passed down Mesopotamian lore and Jewish mythological sources. And a lot of the Jewish 'demonology' merely refers to aspects of other religions ; going to the actual Biblical references ( ;heaven forbid ! ) se'irim - an Assyrian goat like creature that sacrifices are NOT to be made to , shedim - does seem to refer to a demon but it comes from an Akkadian term for demon . Both are about idolatry and forbidden sacrifices . Basically ; don't sacrifice to other Gods ( even though they supposedly do not exist ) only sacrifice to Jehovah . But most don't know that ... as they have been 'indoctrinated' . Even the modern word 'demon' is not usually understood etymologically . I suggest looking at some variant spellings like diamon / daemon and the history of its concepts through Zoroastrianism , Greek philosophy and Jung . THEN maybe you might start to gain an understanding of the concept .

I'm pretty sure that was the raccoon's meth pipe .... smart move blaming the old lady for it

You probably already have become 'prey' . This goes way beyond the concepts mentioned here . Consider indoctrination, advertising propaganda .... etc . One of the aims of demonology though is to improve and strengthen - and manage the right way - that 'strong inner conversation' . Then there is the question of how external are those 'external' forces ? If they were external, trouble comes about when they become internal . Or a lot more accurately , the other way around ; an internal force or drive becomes separated from the 'governor' and assumes or becomes convinced ( and then tries to convince you and itself ) that it is disparate . Not just the Bible - throughout the whole magical tradition ( well, the 'valid' tradition ) ; Its a Central theme and power source of Magick But also of Psychology Hence first steps like pentagram / banishing / middle piller , etc. exercises . BUT I note your inclusion of " strong enough " . Here is the issue - hence the 'subliminal approach' of the 'demon' ( whether spawned from an unresolved nagging internal doubt or an external Coca-cola advert) . It's a bit like saying if you are healthy enough you will not catch a cold . That takes some time and evolution to accomplish though . The Magician . O Lord, deliver me from hell's great fear and gloom!Loose thou my spirit from the larvae of the tomb!I seek them in their dread abodes without affright:On them will I impose my will, the law of light.I bid the night conceive the glittering hemisphere.Arise, O sun, arise! O moon, shine white & clear!I seek them in their dread abodes without affright:On them will I impose my will, the law of light.Their faces and their shapes are terrible and strange.These devils by my might to angels I will change.These nameless horrors I address without affright:On them will I impose my will, the law of light.These are the phantoms pale of mine astonied view,Yet none but I their blasted beauty can renew;For to the abyss of hell I plunge without affright:On them will I impose my will, the law of light. - Eliphas Levi . Are they not at least discouraged practice for the non-clergy in Christianity ... if not banned or even considered 'sinful' ? Does not the Bible preach against them ? Maybe I missed something , perhaps you are ordained and 'allowed' to practice magic in the church ? Sometimes one can realize one is immersed in a surrounding ocean of wrong doings - the correct path may not be clear at all for many. Then of course there is the huge blunder that one might be self assured they are full of right and righteousness ... we see that constantly . . Can you explain what this means please ? What does 'there is no occasional anger or depression ' mean ? You never have 'mood swings' . Are you talking about some 'above it all state ' where you are never effected by the external world due to your inner world being so illuminated ? Demonology has always been a part of magic though and its part of maintaining and cultivating a healthy inner world . I found that many many years back during some visits to a Kama Kargu temple - straight in the door ; demonic invocations . Yet all the monks there very happy and compassionate - they looked after a few homeless youth , and had taken in a one eyed cat and three legged dog , all there seemed to have ...... ' resolved ' certain things .

and which has nothing whatsoever to do with what I wrote . But anyway , I predicted a personally safe space from it , not getting it , Australia doing well during it compared to many other countries , it personally benefiting me and the environment and a financial boon . of course some here mocked and reviled me for that ... but as usual , my predictions where right . I'm wondering now if you got infected by COVID and what long term effects it had on you " You wrote ' There's no need to try to say anything smart or insightful. People have no use for such things " I said 'I DO " and now you wonder why I think you where 'referring to me ' ? What ? I am not 'people' now ? Your cognition regarding what you write seems faulty . I am sure this one is entirely relevant for you ;

The Christians . But they should not have ... they should have said it leads to hell and eternal damnation ! And that is without examining the whole historical concept and understanding of the term . I guess the Christina demonologists left that bit out ? Ya never know .... walking down the street one day and ..... Dr Wilson Van Dusen in his article 'Presence of spirits in madness ' observes that psychiatric patients that complain of possession or similar conditions are often previously 'normal people like me and you ' that have a strange event 'happen to them ' ... you need not have a history of 'psychosis' . and of course, as you hint, there a variety of other reasons to study as well .

There are many reasons that are valid , but I assume they are beyond you . And if one is going to study this , I would not recommend 'Christian demology' at all . No wonder you got a biased education on it !

better than getting a high from retaining and accruing and selfishness . I believe it is the essential interior human motivation . Sure we dress it up in all sorts of dignified clothing but ... if one can have honest and accurate introspection . As the saying goes " even Sister Teresa did all that because she wanted to ." ... and on examination , her whole 'service' now seems in doubt . Just because I help an animal does not mean I am its master .... that is entirely sus ! A dog is capable of finding his own water in my environment . As are the animals I share food with . Possum can find honey , but I enjoy feeding her some , not to be her 'master' , not at all . I think that is a very strange concept . By they way , I only have 'feral' pets ... we share the environment here 'naturally ' ... with the exception of a few fish in a tank . However I think I understand what you mean ... after observing some with pets . being master is not a good way to relate to animals ... all the good experts ( like horse whisperers and good dog trainers ) only use that approach with an animal that has a natural hierarchical instinct ( eg the head mare of a herd ) , and even then , the relationship is not based on force .

Daily Dao .

I do and I will thank you to NOT put your overall judgement on me that was formed within and from your own limited experiences . All you have accomplished in acting like an idiot here ( for some time ) is to add more stupid to the stupid soup and made people think you are not capable of anything smart or insightful . ... which you now claim to be capable of ? In any case it's an admission on your part so I feel justified in writing you off and not seeking to penetrate into the diamond quality I believe each possess - but a few deny or cannot find within themselves . - But maybe I am just too much of an optimist .