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. I am starting to wonder about you .

I would change your 'accept' to 'expect' ; then 'any bonus is a boon ' .

At least you got your question answered .

I thought offering someone your tongue to suck had been decided here that it was a bit 'off' ? but then again maybe this is part or your cultures way of expressing endearment ? OR Maybe a 'cultural signal ' to indicate ' I dont have an answer to your question without digging myself further into this hole ?

I already put it in perspective Cobie ;

' Bagua kicks arse ' , many a converse, illumination and hilarity with her . One of my first favorites here ; I had only made a few posts and I had been a bit cheeky , then I asked about a source of information on something and she supplied a website . later ; my response post ( bearing in mind at that stage she was a moderator ) ; " Hey ! ... That reference you gave me was a porn site ! " Back in the days when everything didnt have to be so 'politically correct ' .

Like the guy that goes around threatening to beat people up 'taking the law into his own hands ' .... but when someone challenges him , that he is worried about .... runs off to the police for protection . Here is what I consider a 'tough man ' , even if others do not think so, one has to admit he was 'earnest ' . On 24 February, realising that they would be trapped until the following spring, Shackleton ordered the abandonment of ship's routine and her conversion to a winter station.[139]Endurance drifted slowly northward with the ice through the following months. When spring arrived in September, the breaking of the ice and its later movements put extreme pressures on the ship's hull.[140] Shackleton had been hoping that the ship, when released from the ice, could work her way back towards Vahsel Bay, but his hopes were dashed on 24 October when water began pouring in. After a few days, with the position at 69°5′ S, 51°30′ W, he gave the order to abandon ship, saying, "She's going down!"; and men, provisions and equipment were transferred to camps on the ice.[141] On 21 November 1915, the wreck of Endurance finally slipped beneath the surface.[142][h] For almost two months, Shackleton and his party camped on a large, flat floe, hoping that it would drift towards Paulet Island, approximately 250 miles (402 km) away, where it was known that stores were cached.[145] After failed attempts to march across the ice to this island, Shackleton decided to set up another more permanent camp (Patience Camp) on another floe, and trust to the drift of the ice to take them towards a safe landing.[146] By 17 March, their ice camp was within 60 miles (97 km) of Paulet Island;[147] however, separated by impassable ice, they were unable to reach it. On 9 April, their ice floe broke into two, and Shackleton ordered the crew into the lifeboats and to head for the nearest land.[148] After five harrowing days at sea, the exhausted men landed their three lifeboats at Elephant Island, 346 miles (557 km) from where the Endurance had sunk.[149] This was the first time they had set foot on solid ground for 497 days.[150] Shackleton's concern for his men was such that he gave his mittens to photographer Frank Hurley, who had lost his own mittens during the boat journey. Shackleton suffered frostbitten fingers as a result.[151] Open-boat journey Main article: Voyage of the James Caird Launching the James Caird from the shore of Elephant Island, 24 April 1916 Elephant Island was an inhospitable place, far from any shipping routes. Rescue by means of a chance discovery was very unlikely, so Shackleton decided to risk an open-boat journey to the South Georgia whaling stations where he knew help would be available.[152] The strongest of the tiny 20-foot (6.1 m) lifeboats, christened James Caird after the expedition's chief sponsor, was chosen for the trip.[152][153] Ship's carpenter Harry McNish made various improvements, which included raising the sides, strengthening the keel, building a makeshift deck of wood and canvas, and sealing the work with oil paint and seal blood.[152] Shackleton chose five companions for the journey:[153] the ship's captain Frank Worsley, who would be responsible for navigation; Tom Crean, who had "begged to go"; two strong sailors in John Vincent and Timothy McCarthy; and McNish.[152] The carpenter had earlier clashed with Shackleton when the party was stranded on the ice but, while not forgetting his earlier insubordination, Shackleton recognised McNish's value for this particular job.[154] Shackleton insisted on packing only enough supplies to last for four weeks, knowing that if they failed to reach South Georgia within that time, the boat and its crew would be lost.[155] The James Caird was launched on 24 April 1916;[153] during the next fifteen days, it sailed through the waters of the southern ocean, at the mercy of the stormy seas and in peril of capsizing. Thanks to Worsley's navigational skills, the cliffs of South Georgia came into sight on 8 May, but hurricane-force winds prevented any possibility of landing. The party was forced to ride out the storm offshore, in continual danger of being dashed against the rocks. They later learned that the same storm had sunk a 500-ton steamer bound for South Georgia from Buenos Aires.[156] The next day, they were able to land on the unoccupied southern shore, and a period of rest and recuperation followed. Rather than risking another sea journey to reach the whaling stations on the northern coast, Shackleton decided to attempt a land crossing of the island. Although it is likely that Norwegian whalers had already crossed the island at other points on ski, no one had previously attempted this particular route.[157] For their journey, the men were only equipped with boots they had adapted for climbing by pushing screws into the soles, a carpenter's adze, and 50 feet (15 m) of rope. Leaving McNish, Vincent and McCarthy at the landing point on South Georgia, Shackleton travelled with Worsley and Crean over 32 miles (51 km)[149] of dangerous mountainous terrain for 36 hours, reaching the whaling station at Stromness on 20 May.[158] The next successful crossing of South Georgia was in October 1955, by the British explorer Duncan Carse, who travelled much of the same route as Shackleton's party. In tribute to their achievement, he wrote: "I do not know how they did it, except that they had to—three men of the heroic age of Antarctic exploration with 50 feet of rope between them—and a carpenter's adze".[159] Rescue "All Safe, All Well", allegedly depicting Shackleton's return to Elephant Island in August 1916. To create this image, a photograph of the departure of the James Caird in April 1916 was doctored by photographer Frank Hurley.[160] Shackleton immediately sent a boat to pick up the three men from the other side of South Georgia Island, while he set to work organising the rescue of those left behind on Elephant Island. His first three attempts were foiled by sea ice, which blocked the approaches to the island. He appealed to the Chilean government and was offered the use of the Yelcho, a small seagoing tug from the Chilean Navy. Yelcho, commanded by Captain Luis Pardo, and the British whaler Southern Sky, reached Elephant Island on 30 August 1916, at which point the men had been isolated there for four and a half months. Shackleton quickly evacuated all 22 men.[161] The party was taken on Yelcho first to Punta Arenas and after some days to Valparaíso in Chile, where crowds warmly welcomed them back to civilisation.[162] There remained the men of the Ross Sea party, who had been stranded at Cape Evans in McMurdo Sound when their ship, the Aurora, was blown from its anchorage and driven out to sea, unable to return. After a drift of many months, the ship had returned to New Zealand. Shackleton travelled there to join Aurora, and sailed with her to rescue the Ross Sea party which, despite many hardships, had successfully completed its depot-laying mission. However, three lives had been lost, including that of its commander Aeneas Mackintosh.[163] Then, when he finally got home , suffering from exhaustion , he enlisted in the army due to the ongoing WWI .

Depends on the Muslim and the area . I would say a lot of Muslims in Turkey feel the way the article states . Maybe not so much in Central Asia and a bit further south . Many of them want to throw the whole thing out and see it as a source of continual trouble , politics, oppression and war . There where some calls to get back to their indigenous religion . But as usual , this might not be any fault with Islam, itself , but more a localized , long term political misuse of religion ? https://theconversation.com/how-big-a-threat-is-islamic-state-in-central-asia-54424

It is not easy for a LOT of people to just 'up and move' . The Gulf Stream , or that part of it that warms most of Europe ( The North Atlantic Drift / Norway Current ) is part of a complex of interrelated currents that the north pole ice cap interacts with . Its the ice 'up there' in the norths crazy floating pole ! Where is the polar continent up there ? The cap is melting from the top , and all around , in the warmer air and the warmer water lapping it . But also underneath . It is floating but is also 'deflecting' ocean currents and some of those pass underneath and as they melt from the bottom, all those factors make the ice less and a little lighter , which makes it float higher, and let more warm water underneath , which makes it melt quicker and get lighter and even more water .... you get my 'drift ' ? At the same time, all that melt is cold fresh water , not sea water , it interferes with the density difference of the high warm and deep cool currents . * Recent News Feb. 12, 2024, 10:01 PM ET (MSN) Scientists say the Gulf stream could collapse by 2025 Feb. 10, 2024, 3:21 AM ET (Yahoo News) Atlantic Ocean is headed for a tipping point − once melting glaciers shut down the Gulf Stream, we would see extreme ... * https://www.britannica.com/place/Gulf-Stream So, if the Gulf Stream breaks down I guess we have to look at similar locations in latitude without a Gulf Stream influence to see what a HUGE section of Europe's weather will be like . That basically equates to the north east coast of Canada ... but then again , that severe climate is 'moderated' by the Gulf Stream as well . But with these ' billiard ball reactions ' , who knows what could happen . Yep . I have been getting loads of wood delivered through summer . Some people wonder why ... then again , we dont have squirrels down here . I also put in a rainwater tank although I also have a supply from the river , a selection of rechargeable tools, new heavy duty large batteries and an upgraded solar ( did it myself a few years back ) .... why trust the 'system' any more ? ( a while back , I had collect agencies after me for a bill I had paid ages ago , it was for electricity when I stayed elsewhere for a while . They tried to threaten me with a threat to cut of my power { you pay the bill first , and we will not cut it off, then if you dispute it and its valid, you will get a refund later .... . I told them to " Go ahead and cut my power off now you ******s, what you gonna do? Park a blimp between my solar panels and the Sun ? " )

Well said ( and thats even coming from 'a grumpy old man with too much time on his hands ' ) . I would change one thing though ; " I also think that trying to detach religion from a system that is deeply tied into these beliefs historically, shows an aversion to religion in general, which I don't entirely agree with " . Many may have an aversion to religion as well but I think we cant detach religion from it as people didnt think that way ; they rarely detached 'religion' from anything , to the point where 'religion' may have not existed as some counter position to the secular' as it does today - that is a modern 'dualism' ( scientific revolution again ! ) - or in other words ; " Religion is tied to the evolution of culture, the foundation of how people thought and why they did things. I think if you completely detach the religious aspect from the philosophical aspect, ( I will add ; or from just about anything back then ) then you reject it as a whole. " The problem is 'we' are saying that a distinction we now have ( "religion" ) was implicit within the ancients - but they didnt see it as 'religion' becasue they had no such distinction .

Actually , that distinction applies across the board and into western 'esoteric' systems as well . Eg , Astrology used to make sense 'all round ' - the medium of transference was obvious ; if one is influenced by Mars being on the horizon at birth , the medium is by the 'fact' that the planets are points that move around a shell or sphere , all inside each other like Russian dolls with the earth at its centre . . . 'simples' . But what is the medium of transference for astrological influences today ? 'Cosmic rays ? Magnetism ? Gravity ? 'The tides ' ( dont start me on that one { ie. that common misunderstanding } again ! ) ? [ " The Origins of Modern Science by Herbert Butterfield | Goodreads www.goodreads.com › book › show In The Origins of Modern Science Professor Herbert Butterfield argues that past scientific achievements cannot be viewed through the filter of 20th century eyes ... " - worth a read ]

Now this ^ is more like it ( for all of us 'others' ) ; 'Squiggly picture Chinese word' does not mean that .... it means this ! Finally , some real Daoist discussion here ! [ Reminds me of when I asked what the distinction between goat and sheep was ...... hooo boy ! ]

Mhe ..... I prefer some of Lois' older classics

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I am in late here , didnt read all of it, just the last few pages .... it seems to have come out as I suspected . In my brief perusal here (and of my familiarity from elsewhere , I feel confident that I can declare ... Yes, Buddhism as a religion is a complete system . It has teachings , practices , temples, fees, donations, political motivations and operations, an attraction to gaining 'funds' , an elite 'priesthood' , sexual impropriety , coverups , genuine simple practitioners that dont want any of that 'stuff' , extravagant robes , cool objects ( jeweled phurba ! Wow ! ) , hipster cred , etc etc ... I mean, for a religion Whaddaya want ? Thats the 'full path' .

But .... but ... surely there are some things here of value ??? https://www.thedaobums.com/forum/425-taoist-texts/

Currently ! 'I am not advocate of 'global weather warming ' but weather 'weird ing' , one effect of that is more extreme weather and greater extremes . +40C here is HOT and considered unusual and it doesnt go below 0 (well not down in the valley , maybe rarely a few degrees lower up on the associated plateau ) . Also we are supposed to be one of the better located places - like the tides , when we have a high tide, some places a few inches , others a few meters , the predictions show some places a lot more effected than others . On a variety of fronts . I think another factor is infrastructure already set up and expandable for various localised agriculture subsistence . River transport and sailing might get more popular . ... but dont tell anyone about this or my location I said ... don't say Mars ! You can also not say 'Elon Musk ' as well , thankyou . [ NO WAY would I even consider that bullshit ! ]

As a kid , reminds me of For some reason , everything stars crystallizing - the jewelled alligator seized my young imagination . Here is how 'snow dumb' I was ; first time I saw any significant snow (on the roadside , going up a mountain road in Tasmania ) I saw all this grainy white stuff so I stopped and got out to check it out . Did a truck delivering bean bag filling loose its load ? .... Hey this white stuff is wet and cold ! I received curious looks from drivers passing by . But your above description reminded me of a very similar experience I had of similar landscape , also the same time in Tasmania - they had a '1 in 20 year' blizzard that ended just before I arrived and I was oblivious to it , thinking the things I encountered where normal for there . This was in a different zone- to the NE , a type of rainforest . I think it was an Antarctic beech forest , the ground was a mass of gnarly roots and mosses with myriad little streams running braiding through it from the excessive rain , but they where all solid frozen ice woven between the moss banks and roots . There was glossy ice on everything and near horizontal icicles . There was an understory of tree ferns and this was covered in glossy ice as well, its canopy was one sheet of joined domes but the small gaps between the fronds where clear of ice , repeating in ice the filigree of the fern fronds. The sun was shining through the higher canopy in dappled light and refracting through the lower canopy in a multi-coloured kaleidoscope of light needles all around . I was amazed and stumbled through it . It was the closest I had ever come to getting lost in nature (I have a good 6th sense in that regard ) , but after a while I realised I had no idea which turns I had made nor where the road and car was . Magic ! So imagine what you described above but covered over this type of landscape Antarctic beech forest Tree ferns under Antarctic beech Must be rad to have that . I hit ice covered streets in Hobart early one morning (same 'after event ' ) , all covered in slippy ice and smooth . I realised why they had hand rails along the footpaths . But then I had to cross a road , so no handrail , how to do that ? And the cross road was a steep down hill . I started to slide and got into a squat and used my hands an d ended up getting there . Then I saw a very elderly lady attempting the same crossing . She was rugged up in a big coat , thick hat, gloves and scarf and clutching a big handbag , this could go bad I thought . She stepped out onto the road / ice and methodically plonked along one foot after the other to the other side . Impressive ! Obviously an old Tassie local . Thanks for the memories . ... and explanations .

I am going for that money ! I am going to write a dissertation about Trumps use of mopai for semen retention ..... all explained graphically , on line here , with an AI voice generator copying his accent . I wanted to illustrate this post so I googled 'Trump semen retention' for an image . It showed

You see ! ^ That CANT be an online translator problem .

I have tried . Good luck with that one ! Communicating nicely and rationally with Lois .... even considering language difference and his use of on-line translator , its difficult to tell if its him or the translator ... but when one compares all the other stuff he does with this issue .... nah, its more than the translator at issue here . You will not get a reasonable response ... and if anyone does , I shall eat my hat !

I been saying that for 10 years . . . well, the AI stuff is more recent . Dont forget all those 'mysteries' he shared with us (usually pretty lame and easily transparent ripoffs and 'ancient' 'mysteries ' ) ; of the lowest quality . Now we have 'Aryan' tough guys , fueled by God who are Bible heroes for Russian Jews ... all explained by personal fantasy AI generated / Lois directed 'explanatory images ' . Perhaps its a new art form , unlike surrealism, which is supposed to show ideas/ associations / echoes from the unconscious this stuff shown direct ego projection / material 'wishful thinking ' . He isnt really here for the conversation .

... all totally alien to me ! What happens when all this snow melts ? Lots of slushy mud ?

Where are these better locations ? ( and dont say Mars )

Our doom and gloom in the 70s (aside from nuclear world war ) was an impending 'big freeze ' . The we got smarmy when they first bad ozone layer hole news got out - amazing ! We where going to freeze, but now, thanks to our recklessness this will stop it happening . 20 years back, I look out the window in winter and the front paddock is white and covered with frost , now that happens maybe twice a year and its only a fine dusting . However, regarding 'climate surprises' I remember the Euro history of this place records the biggest flood / unusual climate event back in 1950 ; a cyclone came down the coast ( unusual for them to go this far ) in the middle of winter (not cyclone season , not even any where near the wet season , winter is when it is dry here ) and parked itself off the coast and stayed there for weeks on end (unusual , they usually dissipate or move on after a day or two ) .