Nungali

Hmmm Magic AND Psychology ...... together ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Regardie

In some Aboriginal systems 'past life awareness' and 'genetic memory ' seem the same thing . Simply ; one could have been one's great grandfather . ' The ancestors live around us (as themselves ; that is , they are able to appear , seemingly from their original form , in various ways , symbols and methods - in 'landscape ' - 'Country ' ) but also 'in ' us . They where not aware of 'genetics' but passed on traits to offspring would have been obvious to them , as well , they didnt have a concept of 'genes' , but something similar they called - in a recently adopted 'pidgin' ; 'germs' - originating in ' germ baby ' , that is, 'one's essence ' ( pattern ? ) that exists before the combining of male and female to create offspring ; one example is ; due to certain conditions coinciding , a man may feel a 'germ baby ' has entered into him (eg. from a special waterhole or other significant place like a spring ... usually where water comes out .... as they are associated with the Rainbow Serpent Creator , coming out from underground and the underground water following ( as opposed to where it dived through the surface back down into the underground , eg. a soak ) . He would then take the germ baby home and tell his wife that he had a germ baby for her . She could take it into her body and the germ would multiply and grow . - Certain waterholes and special places where deemed (and this is not just in Australia , other traditions hold this as well * ) 'increase sites' for other species as well . These hold the archetypal pattern of that animal and seem to generate species fecundity , which is why they are protected especially and have guardians to to learn, study , protect and manage them (ie. by one's totem ) . * Eg In the NW corner of Sth America , a team of scientists from various places where managing an ecological repair attempt . It had some success but not enough to reverse some losses , regardless of the science they employed . Then they consulted some indigenous for input , learnt about their concept of sacred increase sites that are not to be interfered with and implemented that . They found that, not only did it help , but it enabled their own system of remedies to address the problems development was causing . They re-arranged some targeted areas , making some available for further development and the increase sites and other significant ecologies they had already targeted, off limits . They reported that with this addition , the plan they first put into action was now working.

OR ' Genetic memory' ? [ " Neuroscientific research on mice suggests that some experiences can influence subsequent generations. In a 2013 study,[3][4] mice trained to fear a specific smell passed on their trained aversion to their descendants, which were then extremely sensitive and fearful of the same smell, even though they had never encountered it, nor been trained to fear it. Changes in brain structure were also found. The researchers concluded that "the experiences of a parent, even before conceiving, markedly influence both structure and function in the nervous system of subsequent generations".[5] Scientists speculate that similar genetic mechanisms could be linked with phobias, anxiety, and post-traumatic stress disorders, as well as other neuropsychiatric disorders, in humans.[citation needed] " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_memory_(psychology)

When I saw the topic I got a flash back to ...... when was that ? It was when I first read about it ... maybe in the late 70s ... and not heard anything since .

So, what went wrong , where and with whom ? Some people became more controlling of their environment at an exponential rate after a certain stage of technology was developed. Yet some never really approached that level of technology nor 'dualistic separation ' from their environment ( eg. Australian Aboriginals pre Euro invasion )

At least it wasn't Brian Cox " I am ever so cute ... and wistful " " and rather irresistible . " " Problem is, when I am not posing, I look like Father Dougal from ' Father Ted ' . .

In my groups constitution it arranges for , amidst the levels of 'admin' , to have two 'revolutionaries' to be the 'King's' 'adversaries' .

Great questions . I dont think it is the fate of ALL of them . It does beg the question though , should potent systems / techniques be taught to the 'mentally unstable ' ? A can of worms in so many ways . I had to debate on that in the system I was in . One person high up in the organisation ( who was also a psychiatric nurse ) thought they should be , as they had the 'right' . I thought they should not be , or at least that decision on it should be made by their sponsors ( two where required to gain membership ) who should know well the situation and extent of things . if it goes wrong then it should be up to the sponsors to take 're-sponsor - ability ' for whatever happens and help resolve it . Also an organisation or teacher should take responsibility if things go wrong with people THEY have admitted . But I know this is not always the case . Still, what has a solo practitioner got equivalent to this ?

" Yessss ... a dear dear sweet lady "

Ummmm ... to become master of your own destiny and not be pushed around by what you perceive others are 'doing to you ' . ( Just in case you access this from the public entry ) .

Thank you for staying here on DBs Maddie and helping us get through these rare but sometimes ( but certainly, too often ) unpleasant and unevolved moments .

All sorts of spiritual 'thingos' * kick out 'certain people ' . * monasteries , congregations, organisations , etc . I am running late in this thread .... I just saw the 'consequences of certain actions' .

How did you get that sword to make music like that ?

Regarding Bagua city planning . Walter Burliegh Griffin designed a primitive version for our nation's capitol at Canberra , a sort f 'double one' with some 'ponds' in the middle less traffic light ? Well, no ... ACT Government fixation with traffic lights - Riotact the-riotact.com › act-government-fixation-with-traffic-lights Unfortunately in Canberra the opposite seems to be the norm. Even keeping to the designated speed limit it is usually the case that traffic will come to a halt ...

... or the 'lollipop man ' ( stop / go either side of a sign on a pole operated manually ... or womanually ) gives the go signal for three cars waiting , I am approaching with no cars behind me, the three go through and then he turns the sign to stop .... bastard ! Not 'Mrs Smilie ' though ( Lollipop woman with a huge permanent toothy grin and a wave ) , same situation , she leaves the sign at stop but mimes to me ' Oh , go on then ' and then gets on the radio to her opposite end , I suppose to say ; "...Make that four cars coming through. " AND the nice lollypop lady that looks like 'Big Mum' ( the indigenous ' Genius Loci ' ) .... smile , wave ... enthusiastic wave back and after a few times she ' knows you ' .... waves , now I'm blowing her kisses I'd like to run out and give her a hug and say " Thanks for everything you gave me " .... but that might not go down well ... I think you are supposed to stay in the car and NOT get out and touch hug or kiss the lollipop lady But one cant really complain too much .... when the road does this ; .......... or this , a different location near by ............. Road inspector's car accessing the safety on another section after heavy rain .... fortunately he had left the car to walk down the road a bit for a closer look - in the right direction .... then SHLUMP ! The local upper valley road meets a larger road that goes between towns ( the only way out out basically ) , at the intersection .... a small 'village' and local store . In both directions where land slides blocking the road , and other one's further along that stopped access to machinery needed to clear these ones ( they are not allowed to just push it over the side into the river any more ) . So we where cut off for about a week . It was interesting at the shop , some old unregistered paddock bashers ( cars ) where being used for transport . Parties where happening on the road , people drinking, smoking joints , loud music . . . Wah - hoo ! No one can 'get us' . A helicopter eventually came and landed in the park and people scattered . But it wasnt the police search and destroy (and bust you ) unit - as usual , it was the media wanting to do a story for the news on the 'isolated people ' . No one wanted to talk to them , eventually our lovely Laylarny ( one of the nice young 'shop girls' ) fronted for an interview , I saw her on the news that night - Reporter : " And how is everyone coping " "Well, I have been selling a LOT of alcohol .... as long as supplies hold out its all good . "

... and I passed 5 of them on the a into town the other day Where there are no intersections ! " Road repairs " .... some should be signed "no repair work is being done hence the road will now stay one lane each way, alternating until .... " . other places they ARE doing the roadwork, but going over new works finished less than a month ago and the line marking done , now all tar sprayed over again ... and new sections being dug up and re-done while old bad ones left to neglect . As some patriots declare : "Well, if ya dont like it , go live in China ! "

I think we just proved astral projection CAN be real ! ( and dude ! clean up your room - its disgusting ! )

I was thinking of Egypt eg , the Horus Set 'duality . But this came 'later' in their 'ancient times I think , perhaps after the original Avestan concept , and I think that came via north-east Indo-European groups and before that , perhaps, further north west influence from Siberian Shamanism . But perhaps the Egyptian concept originates much earlier , in the 'two lands' concept ( Upper and Lower Egypt ) ? In any case, as I stated , it seems a pre 'civilised' concept ... possibly part of an original programme even ?

Leotardigrade .

Oppps ! Excuse me Mark ! i was just testing to see if I was in the real world or not .

" Sesame seed bun and butter " you mean ?

Oh ... some one DID 'go on ' . I knew a girl version of Drew once

Go on then ....

Its standard magical training , one should undergo a period of it . " ... THEOREMS I. The world progresses by virtue of the appearance of Christs (geniuses). II. Christs (geniuses) are men with super-consciousness of the highest order. III. Super-consciousnes of the highest order is obtainable by known methods. Therefore, by employing the quintessence of known methods we cause the world to progress. ESSENTIALS OF METHOD I. Theology is immaterial; for both Buddha and St. Ignatius were Christs. II. Morality is immaterial; for both Socrates and Mohammed were Christs. III. Super-consciousness is a natural phenomenon; its conditions are therefore to be sought rather in the acts than the words of those who attain it. The essential acts are retirement and concentration — as taught by Yoga and Ceremonial Magic. " ... As long as the basic essentials in life are supplied , an awe, joy , abiding happiness, etc. can seem as a natural state in humans .... in the right social conditions , and that is mostly pre-western civilisation societies , then pre industrial revolution , before that , mostly noticed in indigenous or 'tribal' societies . Of course , the 'conflict urge ' ( war ) also seems another natural state of humans . Modern western society , and perhaps because of the 'age' we are in ( the age of the individual ) it is an unhealthy way for primates to structure their societies , they prefer extended families . . . and of course with periods of 'isolation' - which in some indigenous societies I know , are required for good development of the individual and their society . Also I have some posts here on DBs on Eudamonai ' .... if the search engine works for you . On another note , I find I am constantly thankful and appreciative for what I have ... it seems miraculous mysterious and wonderful . That includes the idea that just being alive ... even 'existing' is .... well, according to the 'white school of magick' ; existence is pure joy . I have been very close to death a few times , some 'strange survivals' , one was a medical issue that seemed to be surfacing with multiple symptoms . I had already had a good life back then and if 'this was it' then I was happy and satisfied ... ready for my death . That was a phenomenal state of consciousness to be in ; every blade of grass, insect , cloud , passing by was some type of existential wonder . Then it turned out the symptoms where all something else , and I got cured, and then ended up having a relationship with a beautiful woman with three babies ! Something I never encountered before ( the three boy babies ) wow , what a trip , that was 9 years back . Still going , still having great things given to me ..... I'm not sure why I am still alive ? I retired from just about everything some time back .... so I thought