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That is nearly an exact copy of conversations I used to have when I worked as a 'menial' in the film industry ; "You are , smart enough, have enough contacts, well placed, etc to run your own department , why are you wasting your time .... ?" " And then what ? " - on the converse goes as above , I ask 'What about you , whats your end game / aim ? " then they describe mostly what I got - the important stuff, that is . . . not the jet skis , etc . I say " But I already got all that , I just do the occasional few months stint here for some pocket money ..... it aint no career , no way ! " Same to my boss then ; ' No way am I going to do all that admin , tax, organisation, responsibility and others letting you down to impact on your responsibility and reputation .... I'd rather chop carrots, drive cars , and order people around and then stick my hand out at the end of the week, and thats it ! I dont want anything to interfere overtly with my real life . " Boss's response ? bad day ; " Fuck off ! " good day : " Want to swap jobs ? " Its obviously a problem with our society, views and conditionings , instilled by that society ..... wecome to the machine .

Specially chosen ..... for punishment . That's some God you got going there . I prefer mine ; 'specially chosen .... to have a good life ' . I would not be able to cut this 'Jew - Christian guilt thingo . I would have ended up a confused mess .

I think it goes back further ... to whenever it was humans started to realise they had a material body and a non material mind . Siberian shamanism ( the 'real' shamanism .... other cultural systems have appropriated the term or been designated 'shaman' from 'outside' ) might be an early manifestation of that , pre-Zoroastrianism . Even with Zoroastrianism it relates to a quality within the mind - a 'tendency' for our minds to 'go' , develop or be 'stuck in' a negative mode , as opposed to a good bright and 'healthy' mode - evidenced by their use of the term 'mainyu' - we told it could mean this or that (in later Zoroastrianism ) , even devolving to a personalised concept of the 'bad tendencies ' of mind in 'Ahriman' , who was a 'bad spirit' but also apparently some geo politician enemy of the 'Zoroastrian tribes' , but along with that explanation the 'literal' meaning is given ; 'mind' .

oh yeah ... and in last pic, dude on left has three skis (now let's hear it .... he was a sai master , and any real sai master knows its actually a weapon form where three weapons are used , although the third sai is usually in the belt at the back but not on the ground between your legs . ... and they dont usually do it on skis either . But one never knows . Any one here got into a 'bover' while skiing .... with the skis still on ? I knew a guy ( the only one that could boast such a story ) that got involved in a punch up in the chill out room at a health spa resort ! .

There are mistakes in these pictures too ... its very hard to change from one kung fu stance to another .... when you be wearing skis

Is it a 'he' because its name is Bing ?

ha! I can do a MUCH better job at being grumpy than that ! Third arm ? 'Computer says ' ; Ahhhh , that'l do . Just like those fancy computers that over ride pilot manual input ; Pilot; " I think we are too low ! " Computer says Ahhhh that'l do . " Pull UP ! PULL UP ! " - computer says no .

A curious thing . It was Muslims that where first receptive to Hermetic Science when they first came upon it . It was virtually dying out . They picked it up and before long we had the beginnings of science, medicine, arts, architecture , etc to a level we had never seen before .

' Reasons ' ? “Ideologies” or “Theologies” of the Pentateuch in Their Historical Contexts https://www.ias.edu/ideas/2018/schmid-torah Author of the Torah ? https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/244/book/29516 An in-depth examination that separates the historical Ezra from the biblical legend The historical Ezra was sent to Jerusalem as an emissary of the Persian monarch. What was his task? According to the Bible, the Persian king sent Ezra to bring the Torah, the five books of the Laws of Moses, to the Jews. Modern scholars have claimed not only that Ezra brought the Torah to Jerusalem, but that he actually wrote it, and in so doing Ezra created Judaism. Without Ezra, they say, Judaism would not exist. In Ezra and the Law in History and Tradition, Lisbeth S. Fried separates historical fact from biblical legend. Drawing on inscriptions from the Achaemenid Empire, she presents the historical Ezra in the context of authentic Persian administrative practices and concludes that Ezra, the Persian official, neither wrote nor edited the Torah, nor would he even have known it. The origin of Judaism, so often associated with Ezra by modern scholars, must be sought elsewhere. After discussing the historical Ezra, Fried examines ancient, medieval, and modern views of him, explaining how each originated, and why. She relates the stories told about Ezra by medieval Christians to explain why their Greek Old Testament differs from the Hebrew Bible, as well as the explanations offered by medieval Samaritans concerning how their Samaritan Bible varies from the one the Jews use. Church Fathers as well as medieval Samaritan writers explained the differences by claiming that Ezra falsified the Bible when he rewrote it, so that in effect, it is not the book that Moses wrote but something else. Moslem scholars also maintain that Ezra falsified the Old Testament, since Mohammed, the last judgment, and Heaven and Hell are revealed in it. In contrast Jewish Talmudic writers viewed Ezra both as a second Moses and as the prophet Malachi. In the process of describing ancient, medieval, and modern views of Ezra, Fried brings out various understandings of God, God's law, and God's plan for our salvation.

This is nt the videao I was recalling , but it seems similar . The significant change over point in the religion is described from 7:30 onwards from 19:00 describes another major shift from 28:05 - the first time the 'ancient' book appears from 32:40 , a 'modern. academic view of the 'compilations' from 42 :10 - what do Jewish people think and feel about this 'historical' view over the religious teaching ( The Book always existed from the time of Moses ) ?

I have not read this but some archaeological history in it might answer part of your question ; https://www.academia.edu/82092394/The_Origins_of_Judaism_An_Archaeological_Historical_Reappraisal or for a brief intro ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_Judaism#Iron_Age_Yahwism significant ; " During Josiah's reign, Assyrian power suddenly collapsed, and a pro-independence movement took power promoting both the independence of Judah from foreign overlords and loyalty to Yahweh as the sole god of Israel. With Josiah's support, the "Yahweh-alone" movement launched a full-scale reform of worship, including a covenant (i.e., treaty) between Judah and Yahweh, replacing that between Judah and Assyria. " Around this time the history was retro written to extend the 'Jewish story' back to Abraham and stories and myth taken from other sources and concocted into a 'history ' including some old affirming scrolls that where 'found in a cave ' . I watched a great doco on this from a Rabbi who was very 'up front ' and realistic about it all, perhaps I should leave such things up to him , as I would probably be accused of bias for holding this view . I'll try and find it , but internet is atrocious here today . .

It meant anyone that was not Christian or Jewish , at one stage , so included other religions like Hindus . The word has a root that suggests 'country dweller ' - the religion of the country folk , not those in the city . The city is always at the forefront of fashions . " pagan (n.) c. 1400, perhaps mid-14c., "person of non-Christian or non-Jewish faith," from Late Latin paganus "pagan," in classical Latin "villager, rustic; civilian, non-combatant" noun use of adjective meaning "of the country, of a village," from pagus "country people; province, rural district," originally "district limited by markers," thus related to pangere "to fix, fasten" (from PIE root *pag- "to fasten"). As an adjective from early 15c. The religious sense often was said in 19c. [e.g. Trench] to derive from conservative rural adherence to the old gods after the Christianization of Roman towns and cities; but the Latin word in this sense predates that period in Church history, and it is more likely derived from the use of paganus in Roman military jargon for "civilian, incompetent soldier," which Christians (Tertullian, c. 202; Augustine) picked up with the military imagery of the early Church (such as milites "soldier of Christ," etc.). The English word was used later in a narrower sense of "one not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim." As "person of heathenish character or habits," by 1841. Applied to modern pantheists and nature-worshippers from 1908. Pagan and heathen are primarily the same in meaning; but pagan is sometimes distinctively applied to those nations that, although worshiping false gods, are more cultivated, as the Greeks and Romans, and heathen to uncivilized idolaters, as the tribes of Africa. A Mohammedan is not counted a pagan much less a heathen. [Century Dictionary, 1897] The English surname Paine, Payne, etc., appears by old records to be from Latin paganus, but whether in the sense "villager," "rustic," or "heathen" is disputed. It also was a common Christian name in 13c., "and was, no doubt, given without any thought of its meaning" ["Dictionary of English Surnames"]. also from c. 1400 " https://www.etymonline.com/word/pagan

I feel the energy of the forum is changing . Nowadays people write stuff like : Its walls are pointy. because cats is very spiritual animal because they live partly on astral plane. I seen and cultivated the impression getting area. - God luv 'em .

More of 'Denial' .... " dont have their own scripture " ! HA! Get out the box Daniel and do some history , or at least try to get SOME knowledge about what you are trying to criticize . Not only do they have scripture , they even offered up the books , to be accepted as ' a people of the Book ' , when the Muslims demanded the Sabians of Haran - a Syrian hermetic center that carried the heritage of the Alexandrian Synthesis - either convert to Islam or prove they already had a valid religion and scripture . They showed them their scripture , fudged a reference to their teacher as recognized in the Koran ( 'people that appeared in that book , it was a vague reference in the section about prophets before Mohamed ) where accepted , and their 'hermetic science' was incorporated into Islam thus starting of their Golden Age ' of science medicine and arts that eventually influenced western culture to evolve . Now daniel would probably deal with this simply .... " those books are not scripture " and write pages trying to justify that . But they where accepted . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Hermeticum

Gift ? I thought it was a 'mania' ?

I think one can get diverted and bamboozled by a whole lot of language and technicalities . It is very clearly evident to a lot of us that the God of the OT encourages what even the God of OT himself forbids . It is clearly a tribal regional focus that teaches 'these laws apply to you but not others ... go and do shit to them' . OR do the same shit as everyone is doing but feel better about it as you are chosen and special and doing it because God said so ... the supreme and only god , by the way . And the God described in the NT is very different and applies the 'law' to all people , not just to the 'chosen ones' .

D'oh ! ( That's tough ! The most I ever got before was ' Three Our Father's ) Catholicism isn't too bad , I just have some doubts about some aspects of belief ;

Yes . Just like that . You see the feminine principle got so ignored that it made itself a personification . Which is different from people doing it .

Seems to be something missing here ? Son ..... Father ..... ? Not 'Mother' ? I think that is rather telling . I prefer to go to the root and see the 'trinity' aspect as a process and dynamic of creation - religions have a history of taking observed natural laws and processes and creating personification and deity out of them . A great loss IMO .