Nungali

Yes . It sounds more like static electricity build up being confused with 'chi' .

Not 'jesus' but we have 'Joshua .... ben Joseph ' and Joshua can be with a Y and add a 'SH' and you get Ya - hesh- u-ha . Yahovah , Yaheshwa : YHVH - YHShVH . Add the 'fire sacrifice' to YHVH and you get Jesus ... the Son . Then there is the 'third one' ; 'The Holy Ghost ' ... yep, God is part ghost ( dont be scared now ) A curious religion , no ?

But is that about grass sucking chi ? It seems to be about indoor on floor Vs outside on the earth ...... Ooooh wait, now I get it . City slickers associate outdoor practice with being on the grass . It is ... or should be about practicing on the Earth , without 'insulation' between it and you . Also , ' the earth' in an urban environment is usually 'insulated' unless you go to a 'grassy park ' . Try practicing on the beach . Or doing 50 front kicks standing in water that is just above your knees . I used to enjoy using ecu on the beach , virtually designed for it . When being the 'opponent ' it is best to wear these for protection against the 'sand flick' .

There are all different types and functions of dreams , you should not think that 'dreams' is just one thing . I dont find it strange that we dream , I dont find it strange that we dream strange dreams . We are strange . Do all animals dream ? Including plankton .... and tardigrades ?

Not only is that silly , I have never heard that before ( not even on Daobums ! )

Lets just post the Dunning Kruger image you used before to show my level of advancement .... right here .

I am not sure of your location . Do you have casurina trees there ? Their leaves ( 'needles' ) can be used as a local replacement for Equisetum plant , a tradition anti-mold . Some people here use a milk and water mix , spratyed on the leaves of things like zucchini which gets a white powdery mildew . Of course , try a small test patch first Vineyards where one of our biggest customers for BD products , specially 501 . Wine tasters claim it significantly effects the 'terrior ' Most can not taste the subtle differences in food but wine tasters have very developed senses in that area . https://www.masterclass.com/articles/understanding-terroir-elements-of-a-wines-terroir BD effects mostly points 2 and 4 .

A lot of people I have met that have an interest in Magick dont seem to worry about ethics . I didnt encounter much teaching on that in the pagan stuff I got involved with . However in the initiatory 'school' its a significant element , a very significant one . But then my tradition is about one's development ... not about finding an easy way to manipulate others . And that is why a lot do not make it through ... their desire to 'control others' gets thwarted .

Good job ! A practical and historical response . https://srialondon.org/research-papers/the-order-of-the-gold-and-rose-cross-last-of-the-old-mago-mystics/ My tradition ( I should note here , what I wrote about Biodynamics being a type of alchemical expression is not part of my initiatory tradition ) came out of old 'speculative' masonry as well (as the RC / GC ) . In the past , before 'updating' Steiner was the Grand Master of Austria in that tradition . As one should , when one gets to a certain level , 'branch off' into one's 'Magnum Opus ' , which Steiner did with Anthroposophy , which was a blend of that tradition , in parts , some alchemical principles , and the use of 'folk' farming principles to address dropping soil fertility before the advent of artificial agricultural fertilizers ( eg the use of clay and the method of stirring preparations ; traditional 'clay singer ' - where certain types of clay would be dissolved in a barrel of water , stirring one way then the other as one sings into it a note scale going up for one way and down the other . I dont know why Steiner didnt teach the singing part of it . It is very effective . Even with 'plain ' good water . One notices a different sound the stirred vortex makes and the texture ( when it breaks up during the change of stirring direction - the bubbles, froth and noise ) of the water differs after about 10 minutes of this stirring , the water 'changes' . An easy experiment one CAN try at home .... kids . ( I added that last word for Cadcam )

That isnt just a map of Dunning Kruger ya know . It could also be a map of the 'progress' of a Chinese translator . Anyway to clear up any misunderstandings you might have about my psychological syndomes , no it isnt Dunning Kruger , its more the opposite ..... so I thought , but no, as the opposite of that seems to be ' Imposter Syndrome' . I doin t have that , more like the opposite of that . So I have the opposite of the opposite of Dunning - Kruger ..... ... hang on ..... I'll get back to you on that .

Ah but if one where to get suprapersnickety .... it is only one philosopher that made it . The others have not , they just claim to and describe vaguely 'psychology ' and 'making symbols' . No experiments, no demonstrable successful results ... etc .

And you are proving my point too . That some people are less liberal with accepting others variations on a theme while they are doing exactly that themselves . In my tradition the age is the legal (locally ) age of being able to make an independent adult legal decision . I passed that point a looooooong time ago . So try another point of attack, I am sure you can find a better one that is more accurate than 'lack of experience' . I also note you avoid answering relevant questions ... that's telling .

Yes, its that strange world of half dream , half awake . Love unrequited, robs me of me rest, Love, hopeless love, my ardent soul encumbers, Love, nightmare like, lies heavy of me chest, And weaves itself into my midnight slumbers. When you're lying awake with a dismal headache and Repose is taboo'd by anxiety, I conceive you may use any language you choose to Indulge in, without impropriety; For your brain is on fire, the bed-clothes conspire of Usual slumber to plunder you: First your counter-pane goes, and uncovers your toes, And your sheet slips demurely from under you; Then the blanketing tickles, you feel like mixed Pickles, so terribly sharp is the pricking, And you're hot and you're cross, and you tumble and Toss 'til there's nothing 'twixt you and the ticking. Then the bed-clothes all creep to the ground in a heap And you pick 'em all up in a tangle; Next your pillow resigns and politely declines to Remain at it's usual angle! Well, you get some repose in the form of a dose, with Hot eye-balls and head ever aching, But your slumbering teems with such horrible dreams That you'd very much better be waking; For you dream you are crossing the channel, and Tossing about in a steamer from harwich, Which is something between a large bathing machine and A very small second class carriage, And you're giving a treat (penny ice and cold meat) to A party of friends and relations, They're a ravenous horde, and they all come on board At sloane square and south kensington stations. And bound on that journey you find your attorney (who started this morning from devon); He's a bit undersiz'd and you don't feel surpris'd When he tells you he's only eleven. Well you're driving like mad with this singular lad (by the bye the ship's now a four wheeler), And you're playing round games, and he calls you bad Names when you tell him that "ties pay the dealer"; But this you can't stand so you throw up your hand, And you find you're as cold as an icicle; In your shirt and your socks (the black silk with gold clocks) Crossing sal'sbury plain on a bicycle: And he and the crew are on bicycles too, which they've Somehow or other invested in, And he's telling the tars all the particulars of a Company he's interested in; It's a scheme of devices, to get at low prices, all Good from cough mixtures to cables (which tickled the sailors), by treating retailers as Though they were all vegetables; You get a good spadesman to plant a small tradesman (first take off his boots with a boot tree), And his legs will take root, and his fingers will Shoot, and they'll blossom and bud like a fruit tree; From the green grocer tree you get grapes and green Pea, cauliflower, pine apple and cranberries, While the pastry cook plant cherry brandy will grant, Apple puffs, and three corners, and banburys; The shares are a penny and ever so many are taken by Rothschild and baring, And just as a few are allotted to you, you awake And with a shudder despairing You're a regular wreck, with a crick in your neck, and No wonder you snore, for your head's on the floor And you've needles and pins from your soles to your Shins, and your flesh is acreep, for your left leg's asleep, And you've cramp in your toes, and a fly on your nose, And some fluff in your lung, and a feverish tongue, And a thirst that's intense, And a general sense that you haven't been sleeping in clover; But the darkness has pass'd, and it's daylight at Last, and the night has been long, ditto, ditto my song, And thank goodness they're both of them over!

Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The buckets and spades of outrageous fortune, Or to take a quick trip to the pub And by opposing her then. To die—to peep, No more; and by peep to say we end up at Suzie's lunch time strip show The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to: 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To drink, to dream To sleep, perchance to dream... of Suzie—ay, there's the rub: One hopes ! For in my snooze what dreams may come, When we have raked this garden path Must give us pause—there's the respect That makes calamity of so long life. For who would bear the words and scorns of wife , Th'oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely, The pangs of dispriz'd love, the law's delay, The insolence of office, and the spurns That patient merit of th'unworthy takes, When he himself might his quietus make With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear, To grunt and sweat under a weary life, and Sunday is the only day off I get to do this But that the dread of something after the weekend, The undiscovere'd country, from whose booze No traveller returns, puzzles the will, And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? So best to take a cruise ship Thus conscience doth make cowards of us all, And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, And enterprises of great pith and moment With this regard their currents turn awry And lose the name of action. Or should non action be my course It would , but this pain in lower abdomen and pressure begs ask to awakane or not for 'tis a matter of To pee, or not to pee, that is the question.

Well, he might be a lion . I am sure a lion would like his 'temple posts' smeared with blood , a nice forequarter or raw oxen with some intestinal fat , kidneys and 'fat from around the kidneys' * entree ? * And the two kidneys, and the fat that is on them, which is by the flanks, and the caul above the liver, with the kidneys, it shall he take away.And Aaron's sons shall burn it on the altar upon the burnt sacrifice, which is upon the wood that is on the fire: it is an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD. Mmmmmm !

Thanks for YOUR explanation . That's a valid understanding as well . But if one where to get persnickety ;

Did you mean ; ' only philosopher's would have believed it was real ' ? 'Philosopher's ' can have a broad meaning though ;

Some of that is VERY black ... look at the reports of 'Witchcraft' in some modern African countries , truly bad stuff ... child murders and all sorts of crap going on . However I have done other stuff ( 'Voodoun' ) from an African root / descent and it was nothing like that and very good ( besides , I like drumming ) ? Does any magic really work ? How do we tell ? My position is , you start with an intent ... lets say to cure your friend . You do x y z 'magic' and they get better . To me , the 'getting better' is important , not whether the system works or not , it could have or a heap of other factors might have done it .

Of course I am not 'initiated into everything ! Thats a silly assumption and an impossibility . If you dont want to discuss it why did you make a thread about it in the first place and then ask me questions? maybe you will answer a different question then ; what did you actually mean by your thread title ? is there some precedent or teaching somewhere that says one can become immortal through 'philosophy' ... and is that by reading it , agreeing with a specific school , becoming a 'philosopher' ? Do you have a variant definition of what philosophy is ? And do you know why its termed the Philosopher's Stone ?

" Absence of trouble in the soul '" " How come those simple village living people without many possessions seem so happy ?" After absence of trouble of the soul comes 'expression' of the soul .... we move from a deeper understanding of 'pleasure ' and move to a deeper understanding of happiness . Again , not 'mundane every day happiness ' but an abiding one that is not effected by what disrupts 'lower' or simpler happiness - transient happiness - Eudamonia . The ancients saw it as a manifestation caused by a few things ( from different traditions ) ; Knowing who you are why you are here and how you fit in . having a tutelary deity , preferably connected to a genius loci . Knowing and expressing your great work , ( the reason you incarnated this time around and what you 'spiritually planned' to achieve ) . Having a 'rational' life - rational having a specific meaning relating to older philosophy. Being appreciative and cementing that in ritual offerings . Having a healthy 'soul expression' ( meaning that the functions that relate to 'soul expression' - a unique function in humans - are fulfilled ... if they are repressed then one can 'loose their soul' and become life a depressed automaton) . Often relating to artistic expression especially if it fulfils 'great work' .

Ahh ... the snooty high horse excuse , eh ? I wonder what you mean by the illegitimate obtaining . So, you have made gold , BUT you won't say how . Its interesting how you seem to suggest some level of initiation for yourself but cannot detect that in others . I would also like you to expose these 'some' who do not revere Wisdom as sacred ? - which you won;pt of course , just use vague innuendo that 'can't' be challenged or debated about because ...... secret . And I wonder how you justify a comment like that when some people see all as sacred . Maybe you are confused about your own term 'revere ' ? I also note you avoid pertinent questions put to you and use diversion and other 'tricks' in conversation . But then again maybe you do feel it is 'beneath you' to discuss such things with 'un holy non saints ' But then, why did you start a thread about it in the first place ?

Support . That is what just popped into my head without thinking about it , when I read your question . Out of that comes appreciation and from that celebration . yet at the same time I realize and accept life is solid hard and bumpy - ya cant skateboard without the 'concrete of life' under you .... and at times one is bound to 'fall off' . I hope that obscure metaphor can be understood 'spiritually ' I dont suffer at all much really , even the physical stuff ( several medical issues , mostly arthritis related ) ./ pain but I still do stuff ( like occasional martial arts 'rough housing' with much fitter and younger , laying concrete manually (ie . carrying bags mixing it in a wheelbarrow by hand , climbing up and down ladder with buckets of it , etc ) to help a friend make a pit toilet , knowing that I will 'pay for it later ' . Try to change what one can and accept what one cannot ( however one's capability of making change might be greater than one imagines or is presently capable of .... the premise of Magick ) . Well that certainly worked for me ! That has become a more dominant awareness in my latter life ... how amazingly well everything ended up 'working out' . I am CERTAINLY NOT dominantly aware of 'sin' in my life . Not being Christian, I have no concept of sin .... outside of the Christian concept .

Hmmmm .... looks like you won 5 years !