Nungali

Hmmmm .... looks like you won 5 years !

I got 158 . Is that good or bad ? - Luke got 93 . 93 boobies.

Cool ! I like boobies . How many you got ? ( days won ... not boobies )

Daobums social credit system . You been good ? You win days . You been bad , you get your account suspended for ..... x amount .... of days (depends on the infraction and what the mod 'team' thinks . or maybe they are having their office party and they dont care ... Anyway , then your days lost are added to your days won and the difference is ..... well, I guess we find out when they come back from that party ( I think it must still be going on ? ) Think of it as a 'get out of jail card' .

Regarding your 3. above ; I'd love to read an OT version translated by you .

I made it pretty clear what I thought ; I seem to be agreeing with your above comment ; " However, there may be all sorts of different interpretations of it. " We can not be sure what Cadcam is discussing because ; But we can assume he is that 'some' that I highlighted in my comment above . and the only mention he makes of it is in his OP as a reference, not a description or opinion of ' type ' or interpretation of what alchemy actually is . The only other hint is the obscure reference in the thread title . ... which seems to ask if one can become immortal through philosophy . [ Note my psychic prediction in the first line before the

... Wait ! A PM just informed I have awarded this trophy to the wrong person .

Well done ! Thats a 'kundalini problem' no one has broached here (yet ) . And that ( bringing up a weird kundalini thingo that no one else thought of so far ) deserves a reward . The postal service here is terrible , so you will have to go get your own one ... available at walmart https://www.walmart.com/ip/Farting-Trophy-Fart-Champion-Of-The-Year-Award-Novelty-Gift/148891121

Nah . I dont know about Chinese grammar and translation . Cobie is the 'know it all ' here about that . . Apparently she also is a good ' bottom wind detector ' . But I will accept an ' on the internet know -a- bit ' But my 'know all' is not from the internet . I didnt need to do a quick cram from Wikipedia or some lame youtube about it . Anyway, aside from this attempt at diversion , are you still claiming to be one of the " us saints that art holy " ?

But can he read and write ancient Hebrew ?

I think he was having an identity crises and wanted some feedback or reassurance .

Not only did I make the Philosophers Stone I am also psychic . As 'somehow' I knew that would be your answer to my challenge to you .

Just as well I didnt spend much time answering your question then . My take on it is that the 'science behind it' is applicable on various levels . if it works like the Philosopher's Stone then why not call it ... Preparation 500 ? S, o can you explain your take on it , in detail and process and how you use it , aside from the usual cryptic cover up ? Maybe devote a little attention to actual details and explain why you think the way you do about it .... like I just did for your request ? I take that as a statement , although I am not sure about your meaning of 'victory' . One has to be careful to not let that devolve into 'spiritual pride ' .... however that can be dispelled by a good dose of humour and 'not getting too serious about it'. Obviously , my tradition is not a 'central' one, so I expect some types of criticism from those areas , it might even be considered 'spurious' . https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=heckethorn&book=secret2&story=genuine

That links to the whole thread ... this thread .

Okay. But you are bound to be disappointed . First ; there are many types of 'alchemy' , most are familiar with 'metallic alchemy' and its seems the most popular ( make gold you say ! ? ) . Some are familiar with 'spiritual' or 'internal alchemy ' . Some dispute whether this or that form of alchemy is 'true' real or 'original ' alchemy . IMO (and others ) any system can be an alchemical one if it adheres to its principles and stages and gets the required result (basically , infusing matter with spirit or quintessence so then that matter will imparet spirit to other things that it touches ) . My field was in 'earth alchemy' for the use in agriculture , or 'agricultural alchemy ' . . For a while I was 'preparations' maker assistant and then took on that role for a few months when the maker had time off and back to assistant when he returned , for BAA - Biodynamic Agriculture Australia . Most do not realise that BD is an alchemical process , including the people that make it ! Lets start with 'Prima Materia ' . In alchemy and philosophy, prima materia, materia prima or first matter (for a philosophical exposition refer to: Prime Matter), is the ubiquitous starting material required for the alchemical magnum opus and the creation of the philosopher's stone. (my emphasis ) Atalanta fugiens emblems 36 - 40 Epigram 36: The Stone that is Mercury, is cast upon the Earth, exalted on Mountains, resides in the Air, and is nourished in the Waters. Discourse 36: ... it may be found in the Earth, Mountain, Air and Rivers. Which path therefore must be taken? I say, both, but in a different respect, although the last pleases us best, and seems most safe. It is said to be thrown upon the Earth, because the Element of Earth does first appear in an obscure and black body. Then, because it is vile and of small price, is trod upon in the path of the Traveller, and in the very dung itself. Hence Rosarius says, " Although I should name it by its Name, the fools would not believe it to be the Thing. " And Morienus, in his answer to Calis, " Whither is much of it to be found? " " If this: It is not there unless, as the wise man says, it be both to the Poor and Rich, to the Liberal and the Covetous, to him that goeth as well as sitteth. For this is thrown in the way and is trampled on in it's dunghills, ... The last Matter of things putrefied, is most vile; for nothing can be viler than mud or dirt, which yet is nothing else but Earth mixed with Water. What is more common than a Clod of Earth? ... the Stone is said to be cast upon the Earth, ... it passes into the Air, where it finds a habitation. For the Air is its house that encloses it, which is nothing else then that it is carried in the belly of the wind, and is born in the Air, which ways of speaking we have explained before. At last he is fed in Rivers ... ( other descriptions cite things like 'children play with it in the streets ' , commoners use it in their houses , it is everywhere but no one knows its true value , etc . The 'cultural / temporal' aspects of the times this written in should be taken into account when considering what this common and also 'gross' and unclean thing might be . ) ( as will be shown later here , the sections about 'the stone' , which comes from the prima materia , will show how the stone is used by 'dissolving in water , cast into the air and settles on the earth ) Epigram 37: Three things are sufficient for the Magistery: The White Fume that is Water; The Green Lion that is the Brass of Hermes; and Aqua Faetida. ( later , during the formation of the stone I will talk about these three principles - which are also 'microscopic beings ' ... in earth alchemy ) Discourse 37: ... " The Earth is left there that the other three Elements may be rooted in it. For if that were not there, they would have no foundation whereupon they might build a new repository for their Treasures." This Foundation is here called Aqua Faetida, which is the mother of all Elements, as Rosarius declares, from which, by which, and with which the Philosophers prepare It, that is their Elixir, both in the beginning and in the End. Their water is called Faetida, because it sends forth a Sulphurous Stink, like that of Sepulchres. ... This is the water of the Dragon ( as Rosarius calls it ) which ought to be made by an Alembic, without adding any other thing, in the making wherof there is an extraordinary stink. Some persons, misunderstanding these words, have betook themselves to the distillation of the Dung of Man, or other animals, in which operation they perceived a very vehement Stink, but found nothing else but dung in their dung. ( this is because the 'dung' was not processed properly ) But do not suppose the Philosophers to be Beetles that work in Dunghills, for you must know that the stink, if it be any, is presently changed into a great Fragrancy, ( This happens ; after the initial stage , the bad smell dissipates ) But he places his Quintessence in Dung, by whose temperate Heat the Fragrancy follows. (I will talk about this 'temperate heat' later ) So, in BD it starts with cow dung , ideally a healthy organic cow in milk , and better . one that has been fed on BD fields and feed ... keep the cycle going around , so each cycle you have a 'purer' or more 'infused' dung . The next step is to enclose the material in a sealed 'low heat' 'crucible and 'cook it' in a low temperature 'oven' in this case the 'crucible' is a cow horn (hollowed out ) sealed with clay and the 'athanoor' is the earth itself ... that is the filled horn is buried in the earth , at a certain depth for temperature regulation , over winter . In BD this is called 'preparation 500 ' it and the finished product , in very small amounts (virtually 'homeopathic' ) is 'touched' upon the earth (cast upon the fields ). It brings ( well, first 'quintessence ' ) fertility of the growth cycle based on effects relating to nitrogen . When it is dug up it can be stored ( we made large amounts , being the center for Australia ) it should only be in contact with natural and insulating substances , pottery and ceramics are best , it should be kept in clay pots , away from light , ideally in an underground or mud brick building . I examined the material at stages during this secondary storage process . if the material had not fully developed in the horn , it did later in the storage . It had three types of different colored 'dots' in it . These where moving about and it became apparent they where very tiny 'bugs ' . Some where white, some black and some a brown color . I was reminded of this emblem ; I was supposed to be offered a good microscope to examine them, but it was not forthcoming . However I have examined other soil micro organisms ( I did soil science at Uni ) ... wow ! Its use is by dissolving a small amount in water ( 'good' or energized water , from a fresh mountain stream or via flow form ) and stirring it the correct way ( one way until a vortex forms , then quickly the other way until a vortex forms , the idea is to not, as all seem to think , imbue some type of vortex force , but (even Steiner says this * ) it is the 'smashing 'of the vortex by changing direction and disrupting it that helps the energy go from the matter into the water .... the imprint of the water (memory ) is made 'chaos' so it then absorbs the imprint of the spirit in the matter . Then it is spread over the fields (aside from all the modern fuss with spraying and 'putting out' in modern BD ) simply by dipping a leafy tree branch in the water and sprinkling it about ( and this also makes it have a phase 'in the air' as it falls) . It is done during the best astrological times and Moon positions and phases for this . The energy is then absorbed by the earth bringing healthy growth, increased fertility , good NPK balance in the soil and micro nutrients and an overall 'glow' to things . I won't go into the veracity of the reports or criticisms of hard science here , but I did note that an awful lot of 'straight' farmers used our preparations and conditioners , one's whose livelihood depended on it . A few asked to keep their identities unknown for fear of ridicule from neighbors. They also complained about their previous use of commercial fertilizers , the rising costs and the damage they where doing to their farms and waterways . In these cases ,large scale farming , they put the substances out with large spray rigs , they filter the solution as it otherwise would damage the equipment (especially with 501 - see below - they need very fine screens ) this means that no actual physical substance but water is in the spray , only the 'energy' of the operation previous ... or spirit . or 'the gold' if one prefers . 501 prima materia is 'rock' ( and in some alchemical writings it seems very confused, one clarity about that might come from seeing that they are talking about different types of stone or energy at the same time ) , specifically, quartz crystal rods . They are smashed up and then ground between plates of glass to a fine dusty powder ( dangerous ! respirator required ) . This is then buried in the cow horns and sealed with clay over summer . It is sprayed into the atmosphere to effect the crops , it stimulates the 'archetypal' nature of the plant which is associated with that switch over from growth (nitrogen ) to reproduction (phosphorus ) during those appropriate astrological and Moon phases . and of course between these two ( 'heaven and Earth ) is a moderator ; a cow horn filled with clay , prepared similar . The basic idea is to get the two forces to meet ; 'heaven comes down to imbue earth and earth rises to embrace heaven ' the descending and ascending triangles interlock forming the hexagram , the clay energy helps hold them together . On another level , clay holds and supports ionic discharges that allow 'fertility flow' . Other preparations where made in a similar matter , substituting prima materia , vessels and types of 'athanor' eg ; dried chamomile flowers inside a ram's bladder hung in the sunlight over spring . Such things are used to 'increase soil intelligence' - which does things like stimulate and develop the growth of fungi strands that are like the soils nervous system that can relay information , say , from a tree far away across a grass field to another on the other side ; one might have an abundance of calcium , the other a lack , it can 'send' 'calcium' along the network to feed the other tree . Its not the actually substance though .... here, science seems to get a bit confused https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1749461312000048 Basically it is the method and the intent to take a prime spiritual substance , isolate it, make a substance out of that that will impart 'spirit' to another substance that fulfills the definition of a type of alchemy . Sorry , no metallic gold and no get rich quick and easy ..... but what good is gold if we dont have food ... and good energized healthy food ? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/24/uk-30-40-years-away-eradication-soil-fertility-warns-michael-gove

I not sure what part of my post you are referring to as the reference is missing ? (ie empty quote box ) - I am assuming it was the general postulation ; " Would that make any difference to you? " ... but in relation to that, I am unsure how some of your comments relate to it, You can do it like this : SM said ; " If that qualifies for timeless I don't know and ultimately if even during death we may not know , how can we know while we are alive." - sorry about MY messing posting , sometimes the site allows a split post , sometimes not .

They are questions not statements .

Be careful ... he could put you on 'ignore' for that comment

I prefer the 2nd one . Which is also affirmed in Aboriginal teachings , there it is very literal and evident all around and in our particular type of 'nature' some things here cannot be 'renewed' unless by 'fire' (or at least 'smokey molecules ' ) ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrophyte#Pyrophile_plants https://www.britannica.com/list/5-amazing-adaptations-of-pyrophytic-plants ... and also from a hermetic perspective - https://hermetic.com/norton/tablesof

How one can enter the path .... it was a great list of possibilities , I wish I could remember the reference and quote it . it listed stuff like ; 'accidental' ; the wanderer , seeker or hero , stumbles across it in the woods or forest , maybe its a ruined castle or crypt with a sleeping princess or treasure or magic weapon . Maybe through your proclivities you sought it out consciously . Maybe you where born into a tradition or family - inheritance . maybe you where ' captured ' you ended up where you should not have been ( that one is played out in a few initiation scenarios ) . The there are the paths of magick and yoga ... their different types : YOGA AND MAGIC I. Yoga is the art of uniting the mind to a single idea. It has four methods. Gnana-Yoga. Union by Knowledge. Raja-Yoga. Union by Will. Bhakta-Yoga. Union by Love. Hatha-Yoga. Union by Courage. add Mantra-Yoga. Union through Speech. Karma-Yoga. Union through Work. These are united by the supreme method of Silence. II. Ceremonial Magic is the art of uniting the mind to a single idea. It has four Methods. The Holy Qabalah. Union by Knowledge. The Sacred Magic. Union by Will. The Acts of Worship. Union by Love. The Ordeals. Union by Courage. add The Invocations. Union by Speech. The Acts of Service. Union through Work. These are united by the supreme method of Silence. {199} III. If this idea be any but the Supreme and Perfect idea, and the student lose control, the result is insanity, obsession, fanaticism, or paralysis and death (add addiction to gossip and incurable idleness), according to the nature of the failure.

I didnt really 'fight to not believe' .... I fought to find an alternative reason for the experience other than what it claimed to be .