Nungali

How do you ask for clarification on the identity of an elderly small woman in Switzerland ?

You should have said , " I am just too paranormal of a person ." Paranormal Paradoxal

Well, in the literal everyday sense , of course . It's more of a philosophical outlook , or aim . I often fail at it ... how can I explain it .... perhaps for a Christian, one might see it expressed in Jesus ; love your enemies etc . On the smaller everyday level, one could think of parental discipline , a naughty child with a 'troublesome streak' , may not see discipline as the 'act of love' that the parent does . Also I feel it is our natural state , when not interfered with ... most of us may have lost that a long time ago . I think that any ' I ' that chose to come here , is far removed from the ' I ' that undergoes the experience ' down here ' . From my perspective here , I don't know if I would have chosen any of this , or I would have changed this or that ... yet as I get older and accrue more experience .... sometimes I think I would not change anything at all . But then again, I have had a very good life , VERY good , so perhaps I am biased . That can be one way of understanding it .... everything is a pursuit to love and joy . For me I have felt 'the pure joy of existence' ... but that is just 'being' and feeling existence and life , when one can get away from the distractions and the suffering ( for some of us ) it just 'is' . Existence is not pure joy while suffering ... unless you can move beyond that . IN a way , but a connection seems to remain . Jung called it 'the religious instinct' and considered it part of the basic human program (along with the three mentioned by Freud ) . Ooops , I nearly gave you an answer from 'him who you don't want to hear from ' . My ( not as good answer ) would be : to personally and physically experience the wonders of the Universe . I would not put it that way . More like ; we are experiencing for that 'above' aspect of ourselves . When the explorer returns he is asked " What did you find there " ? I see (or don't see ) 'God' as a Long way off . I think I am so unrefined , on that level, that any 'angel' I could contact would feel the same .... maybe those in levels upon levels above them , might start to get a glimmer . I think its required for the process I just outlined above . . No . I don't think acts of God and ourselves are one and the same . I don't even know what 'acts of God' are . I don't know ... what are we 'stripping away ' ?

True, but there are a lot of things we can either control, manipulate, adapt to , be in harmony with .... its not all about everything having control over us . ... I have managed to keep a roof over my head . Doesn't seem much ..... but ever been out in the wilderness in a disaster ( flood) in a closed area ( meaning there ain't no 'rescue' its up to you ) with no shelter or food ? - out there .... I think I felt like you are describing .

The dish washing liquid has run out . I'll get some next time I go shopping .

One unenlightened person among many ..... what ?

When I had Ross River Fever ( which swells the joints, thus constricting the nerves there ) it definitely felt like blockage, and what I can only describe as 'freezing cold pain ' but internally , like it was in the bones . At its peak I would have to get up and 'dance' : shake my arms around , kick legs , flick my hands fast , etc . that would give some relief - for about 20 minutes .... then dance time again - all through the night .

Forget if you want more or not from that source . Its the philosophical premise I am asking you about . If you do not believe it as a philosophical axiom , that's fine ; we can leave the rationality of my other statements and complaints aside ( like if we should not look at what Crowley wrote because some of it was bad , why should we look at what .... ( whoever ) .. wrote in the OT because it is likewise bad ... in short , rather hypocritical ... from a philosophical point of view . I understand that from one's 'everyday ' perception / point of view, that this would not be anyone's experience . But from the point of view that I explained previously ( ie, we chose to have the experience of life ; which IS joy and suffering , hope and despair , life and death ) - a somewhat 'higher perspective' than the 'everyday trudging through life' . ... this type of 'acceptance of the bad ' , for that reason , is not alien at all to many religions OTHER than the Leventine religions (that all use the OT ) . .

You left something out .....

Duck soup ? When I was in NZ a Maori guy offered to show me the traditional Maori way of catching a duck . Cool, I'll be in that ! Expecting to learn some new craft .... weaving a trap .... or some new revelation , I eagerly agreed . We sneaked into the rushes , keeping low and silent . He had a hessian bag and out of that he took a rat trap, baited it with bread and tied a string to it . He floated it out , duck pecked at it , snap ! Pulled the line in and stuffed the duck in the bag . " Traditional "

... the thing is , on the face of that statement , its a philosophy of absolute love .... stuck into a thread about "God is not love ' . Also my 'preferred God ' is one of love ... and a Goddess ... so I dont suppose that will go down well in an Abrahamic forum , where God is male and one of fear and punishments ...... and an OT full of stories about pillage , plunder, war against the indigenous, righteous take over, yes, rape ..... 'holy men' giving their concubines or wives over to mobs to rape them .... need I quote that ? I can, if challenged . So please excuse me for citing the terrible Mr Crowley .

Well of course ; it is in part its full of Victorian sexism , racism, cruelty , etc , you dont have to start quoting those comments from him to me , I am well aware of it . - but the point is ..... what did you think of the quote on its own merit ? Its a curious phenomena ; I have heard people praise some Amerindian philosophy but no one seems to protest about their habits (in things like war violence, cruelty, rape , etc ) . Is the quote " utterly abhorrent " as it stands by itself , or only after your new found association ? If you are unable to do that and are hung up on the author , I can give other examples . For example , if one can stand hearing about Zoroastrianism , or indigenous Australians ?

Death is the inevitable outcome of life .... but who knows what the outcome of death is ? Outcome ; " That which comes out of, or follows from, something else; issue; result; consequence; upshot. ' - unless you meant ' the inevitable outcome that is death .' ? No ... you cant change that , but you might be able to change what comes after that .

I rang up an old girlfriend from the past and said " Do you realize I have been hung up on you all this time ?" " Oh ? " she said , " Then I suppose being hung up on again will not be a surprise to you ..... "

New Mods now . Banned returnees get banned for returning .... like they do on other forums . I have to say he did fool me in the introduction section ..... he could have kept that up instead of 'dobbing himself in' . Weird .

One way to tease a cat ; - I know, I know .... this thread is supposed to be about wild cats ..... well , at least he doesnt look happy .

I want a pet one !

I think you missed out on a minor point though . " If these circumstances could be recreated, they would have real world application. Celebrities who do not wish to be filmed in public could carry a device in a backpack which might cause cameras to not be able to film them. " According to your ' logic ' then celebrities would have to carry the mine in their backpack . This is such a ' Homer Simpsony' thread . > =

So potholes erase film now do they ? I always enjoy a 'paranormal thread'

I think its the 'shaking with fear ' and 'shivering' that is behind that one . Its to do with psychological drives being classified as 'hot or cold' ...... but I cant remember the source . Its also present in cognition ...... how often have I been 'in trouble' in relationships due to my 'cold cognition ' - I prefer to say that 'my Mercury is above my Mars / Venus base line . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_and_cold_cognition Hot cognition Vs cold cognition ;

I am not 'hating on' anything ..... 'dude'. Thats just a way of trying to deflect from what I said above by throwing in an emotive word . If you want to help develop the above technology I suggest you look into EMP weapons . Thats the future of war ( we , Australia , have already had two of these little 'wars' with China ... so far . ) What are you suggesting ? That you go down the mine and ask the 'spook' about it ?