Paul

It's not obvious. That's your idea. If someone did a history of me there would be a huge gap between what I did publicly and what I did secretly. Only a psychic could know what I did privately. I believe the masters have that power. In my private time with masters this was demonstrated conclusively to me. Public records only reveal the barest details.

For all he knows. Who really knows what P daddy did when no one was looking? But since white man said it, must be so. You do know the difference between opinion and fact? That might be something covered in fourth grade.

What I find fascinating to think about is the extent to which tantra arose from a knock off of the medieval Indian coronation ceremony and the termas mocked up Tibetan funerary rights of aristocratic clansmen. If this were to have started up here there would have to be a bicameral congress of bodhisattvas, etc. lol.

Perhaps you misunderstood. He's saying they started using this term later once the termas started rolling out. But the reference is to the guy who helped at Samye. Then he says these termas give otherwise unknown histories of this guy's activities which are often fantastical. That still doesn't mean these things didn't happen. And it certainly doesn't mean it was someone else who did them. A skeptic would say these are fictional stories about a real person. Why you want to say they were two different people is too weird. Oh well you still cray. And I spent $45 to tell you that.

Maybe in your head. Anyway you've tacitly admitted they were historical. Why you insist on taking these positions is very weird. You don't seem like someone practicing Dzogchen. Why are you always talking about it and promoting it? It's negative.

You said they were not historical figures. They were. The terma versions of the stories are either secret histories if you believe in the termas, or if you don't they present a mythologized history. But these were human beings who travelled in Tibet from India. I see you haven't changed. I guess that's comforting. As I get older I like it when things stay the same. You know one can also experience the power of the sadhana revealed in terma, and not have a fixed idea about the reality of the history. BTW, Donaldson's statement about Vimalamitra being surprised by the Nyingthig being attributed to him has no foundation, and is completely speculative. Why you chose to believe these white guys over those red faced demons is anyone's guess. It's a pattern, Whites think no one is mystical unless they're Asian or Indian and Indians don't believe anyone with a brown face. It's kind of pathetic. It's a pathology anyway.

That's an oversimplification. They are historical figures who have been mythologized through the literature.

That's not what you said originally. They lived. What they really taught or not is lost to history.

How do you know this? Citation?