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Lot of mental masturbation in here now lol. We are really talking about going after "10s", etc? As if thats the only criteria that matters. really makes it hard to take some of these dudes views on these things seriously. How f'ing childish.

Cool man. like I said if you found somethin that works and arent harming others then good stuff. I just know myself and if I started really trying to practice some of this stuff consciously it would really take me out of the moment and Id miss everything. Hey Ive also lost girls by not escalating even when they were throwing all the signals at me. Usually it was because I just wasnt feeling it at the time.. and others because Im just an idiot. But I got better at it when I kind of just paid more attention to the moment. Im not saying im a huge ladies man..But I will say once I started accepting myself more-flaws and all and stopped caring so much about what every girl I met thought of me, I started attracting a lot more quality women. Thats what kind of bothers me about the PUA thing..its like all these dudes are kind of insecure and care so much what chicks think of them that they create all these elaborate ways to "get" them.Its too try hard, and the ironic thing is the less you try the better youll do in a way, at least to me. Two different approaches I suppose. I think our whole society is becoming too feminized. Its pretty obvious and its creating a lot of "nice guys" and is creating a huge sense of entitlement for younger girls who think they can get by because they have a vagina. I definitely hear you on this. Well I think it can help for sure.. And because of my physical shape etc from sports/working out it definitely is good. But if someones a mathlete they should own it and be proud! I still say confidence is the most attractive trait and if the mathlete is passionate about his math skills he too can do well with the ladies in my opinion.

DOnt think its ALL about looks..But confidence and honesty and not putting up with BS goes a long way too. PUA stuff is garbage I agree. Theres a huge difference between acting like youve got value to offer and actually knowing you have value to offer. If a dude realizes what hes worth, he probably has very little need for PUA stuff.

Honest question, how do you not get too much in your own head doing this? Like when your talking to a girl and your consciously thinking "oh I have to behave this way or that"; how do you spontaneously act in these situations? Your saying it comes with practice, but still this seems like a recipe for disaster. It also sounds like you approach all interactions with women as if they are the ones who decide what happens..Like by saying you "know" why you lost you are saying theres a systematic way of getting a woman. interesting. Seems like this might work for a couple minutes, but then you would seriously be up in your own head too much. THats why Ive found meditation has helped me a ton in social situations. Im much more in the moment and not thinking too much.. Im also much less reactive and needy..But again I guess whatever works for you.

Well when your on a message board this can definitely make it seem like things are shifting. cool though agree to disagree. as long as your not being a pushover I dont think there really the same, but agree to disagree. Ok. Just your opinion, also we are really getting into semantics here haha. You dont think that chemistry accounts for a lot of what you see? All im saying is that when you see two people interacting you very well could be misinterpreting a guy "acting" or whatever when really hes just feeding off the interaction.. We really are very close in what we are saying haha... in one of your posts you clearly stated you consciously were altering your behavior and telling your friends to do so in order to attract women. If you dont wanna call it using tactics fine. but again semantics. Hey agreed. Anyways I think I totally get where your coming from and always feel like I can learn stuff even when disagreeing with someone. Ive experienced the broad spectrum of interacting with women..from the shy dude when i was younger, which some of the girlfriends I had were surprised about because I was a very good athlete,etc..this almost made them more attracted as they saw I was humble despite my success in baseball.to sometimes trying PUA things..to really accepting more of myself and just letting myself be(not overthinking) in any interaction with women.. ultimately for me this has been the best and sounds like you have ways that work for you..this has kind of been my point. There is no black and white when it comes to this stuff really

Yes man I mostly agree with all this lol. Your argument has somewhat changed, perhaps thats what has caused the confusion. A few pages ago you were saying how you had to pretty much be a douchebag to women in order to get most of them and this is what they responded to.. I have been saying all along that this I totally disagreed with hence why I was saying it didnt really work for me or many I know. My point has been that deviating too much from ones natural character Might increase that persons chances, but eventually the training wheels have to come off.. And "being yourself" is of course malleable etc etc.. what Ive been arguing against is the strict douchebag approach which I thought you were totally backing. And the "mechanics' a lot of time arent mechanical at all, we cant really forget that sometimes ( a lot of times actually) people are just attracted to each other and theres really no choice involved. what someone percieves as another using tactics or acting is simply two people with great chemistry. A lot of times it dont matter what you say to a women, shes just going to dig you, and vice versa. The black and white that Dorian is talking about is mostly what I find to really not ring true.

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I think too a lot of what we are discussing comes down to how much importance one places on picking up women. It seems in our society it is percieved as the end all be all. If this is the way one determines their own self worth then I suppose obtaining these skills by any means necessary is desirable. I guess for me I am at the point where seeing how many times a week I can hook up just isnt that important anymore..So in fairness I am coming at this from a different perspective but I still maintain deviating Too far(notice I said Too far) from someones natural character will result in hollow interactions and relations with the opposite sex, and the one night stands definitely get old.

Sloppy zhang you keep acting as if Im totally disagreeing with you.. You continually project Yor and your friends reality onto what im saying like its gospel. For the 4th time I say if thats what works for you then great.. My thing is it didnt work that great for me with getting with women and when it did it felt hollow and actually led to less attraction for the girl.. The fact that these "tricks" actually worked on certain girls made me less atrracted to them and started any potential relationship off set on a false premise. The popularity of PUA websites and books attest to the fact that what you are saying has some merit. But please stop pretending that its true for everyone, because I can assure you it most certainly isnt..At all.

I never ignored anything. In fact I acknowledged they exist and that I have in fact engaged in this behavior plenty of times. I also never said "being yourself" will work for anyone. I said its worked for me for the most part and other times not so much. Of course everyone puts on different masks for certain things. Most of the time it isnt even conscious. However to knowingly try and decieve someone and put on a totally false persona just to get something seems ill concieved TO ME. It might be fine for you or a million other people. But to me it seems off. And I admit to having tried PUA tactics in the past. I felt disgusted with myself, and actually landed me less results than just going with the flow and "being myself".. I think your deliberately just missing the point, You also seem to make sweeping generalizations which you feel apply to everyone. I already acknowledged that for you or whomever perhaps taking the route of being a "douche" or whatever is great for you, and if this leads you to happiness with women, great. I also acknowledged that changing your behavior with certain women will in fact work. But will it be satisfying? I know for me its not, and thats what I was saying. And you are making my argument out to be like I believe in true love and soul mates and all that fairy land stuff. I dont. Idk, why dont you enlighten me on what REALLY gets me what I want? Because you seem pretty upset that I dont have to turn into a giant douchebag in order to attract quality women. And for me, sex isnt on the top of my priority list. . Companionship is great but Im cool enough with myself not to need to pretend I need it that badly to where Im going to intentionally mislead someone, even if that improved my chances.

I doubt anyone really has a problem with someone who TRULY is a "bad boy" type, and acts accordingly. The problem I see with some posts in this thread are guys pretty much admitting that deep down they are waay different than they act towards women.. Totally changing who you are in order to try and impress or attract someone isnt positive in many aspects(in my humble opinion)..But then again if it works for them and they feel good about it and truly arent hurting anyone than I cant really judge. Of course things are malleable etc and I think things are being made way too black and white in this regard. As I said earlier, I have days where I feel much more "dominant" and social than others. I agree with you on the having value and respecting yourself.. Ironically I think that betraying this by pretending to be something your not is the opposite of this. Actually HAVING value and PRETENDING are two different things. But Im not willing to sacrifice who I am as a person just to try and get with someone, especially if its for a short term or one night thing. Been there and done that. overrated for me.

Also as someone said astutely earlier, neediness and insecurity is the biggest attraction killer .. If you can detach from that mindset and be happy by and with yourself a lot of this douche/dominance mindset isn't even necessary as you'll pretty much exude the attractive traits anyways.. Also I hate the word douche lol. Yet I've used it ten times in this thread. Damn you people haha.

I agree with the last couple posts.. Although there may be *some* truth to what a few posters are saying about "acting" a certain way to "hotter" girls to win them over, it's ultimately to me futile. Because attracting someone that way.. Being a "douche" to them, especially if it's not my true nature.. Leads to a corresponding lessening of the attraction to that female. Lol I mean I don't care how "hot" someone is physically, if the only way they r gonna get with me is by me mistreating them and asserting some kind of inane "dominance" over them, it actually kind of repulses me. Don't get me wrong I think a man should be a man, but I'm sorry, I've not seen a ton of girls respond to some of the extremes a few posters are claiming in this thread.. As long as one is confident, genuine, and strong, being a "douche" is pretty lame. Or "acting" that way just because society is telling you that you have to in order to get with someone is pretty lame too. But hey everyone's got there own thing. I've found me pretty much being me has worked pretty damn good to this point, I'm not denying early in the mating dance there's certain "games" that probably need to be played, but a higher quality women won't accept the douche act for long.

Dude use your kundalini powers on her.

Lol well you disagree with the director and writers of the movie, because they say quite clearly that bane was in fact working on his own plan in tandem with talias plan, which were actually two seperate things which converged at the end. Of course he did. But caring for her and wanting to have sexual relations with her are two different things. THeir relationship struck me more as a big brother/little sister thing. He was her "protector".. and she funded his operation. Hardly would say he was under her in any way. You were arguing he had a romantic thing for her, and were claiming he was somehow talias puppy dog. If he had no romantic interest in her, I doubt he really cares who she hooks up with, especially if its to further the cause of humiliating and destroying the person responsible for killing her father.( which in the end is really the only reason Talia sleeps with bruce, to get him attached and weaken him) Ok.. Not sure why women in a superhero movie would be analgous to women in our society necessarily, but fair enough I suppose I minsinterpreted something there lol. No, I was saying that women in real life have said they would sex up Bane..not Tom hardy lol. Obviously Tom Hardy is attractive to ordinary women, although his jawline isnt quite as chiseled as dorian would probably like. My whole point was he demonstrates the alpha male characteristics regardless of what you think of his relationship with Talia was.. Forgetting you cant see his jawbone because of the mask, which is a real handicap. My original satirical argument was bane was just as much an alpha male as Loki was. The same Loki who showed some giant weaknesses towards the end of the avengers. Lol I was just kind of making a little bit of fun out of the Loki being a Pimp argument. None of this is really serious although it is funny how people can view characters so differently in the case of bane/ Talia.

I think they were working sort of like a duel pronged attack on Gotham.. Actually if you watch the documentary in the darkknight trilogy box set christopher nolan actually states this. That Talia was attacking Bruce emotionally/ and wayne enterprises, while Bane was corrupting the city/ attacking batman physically. they were working in tandem, together on their own plans. I can see how its confusing, but I think banes his own man. I highly doubt how thats it was supposed to come across. In fact I find it laughable anyone could think he was moved because Talia "finally touched him".. I think the writers in the trilogy proved to be a bit more nuanced than that. Bane was emotional over her re-telling of him saving her from death in the pit..Of him being cast aside by the league of shadows..of his lost innocence. No idea. Doubt bane cared much either way In real life. Yes, its been said. It is fun i agree haha..

My bane post was actually satirical, however it's pretty funny watching it be dissected haha. For clarification though, bane wasn't technically a henchman, he did what he wanted when he wanted. In fact when talia wanted him not to kill the batman he was gonna anyway. Also I highly doubt their relationship was remotely sexual, as he was in his late twenties when talia was 8. So he wasn't really lovesick, this is a misconception. Also batman did get laid in his low test period, however she got with him in order to weaken him and get him attached to her. Adding to this batman did lose Rachel to Harvey dent in the dark knight. Of course he was also shagging European models. All this to say I also disagree with Dorian about bane being beautiful. Many a girl has confessed they'd jump bane, mask and all. All this to say we can make generalizations, but shit is random.

Screw Loki, what about bane? Wears an s and m mask.. Very DOM.. Huge muscles... Jawbone hidden by his mask.. However this Should add to his "mystery".. Has a tortured past being born in a below ground prison... Voice is muffled and gravely however with a simple hand gesture he can make the less DOM males cower in his presence... Plus he broke the batmans back.. How ever this was when the batman was going through a somewhat "low test" period having just made love to talia and having lost his parents company... I'd take bane over Loki anyday. Lokis an alien. Not really a human DOM, but an alien DOM. But maybe that's even hotter to our species females.

Well if Dorian's correct the best approach may be the Sylvester Stallone route- import pharm grade injectable testosterone and highly pure hgh and go to town.

Anyways to address the topic of the thread.. I think besides buying a book:), that being authentic is the best way. So if you love Star Wars.. Be proud of it.. If you are very spiritual, say it with pride and confidence.. And don't put someone on a pedestal just cuz you see them as stunningly hot or whatever. I think Dorian does have a point although I disagree with his black and white approach, I think being dominant is actually better described as confident, and valuing yourself in an interaction with someone.. See what they are like underneath the pretty exterior.. Does she have good character? The looks will fade.. And buying a book I'm sure could help, although I wouldn't really but anything for a girl I don't know, a book could be an exception as I love reading:)

Ok.. I'm not really sure what point your making with that.. Of course a healthy hormonal profile makes one more resilient, and it's not just testosterone. But as I said reality had shown me that slightly overweight guys who are non aggressive can still do very well with women with confidence and social grace. These are the prototypical "average" makes you are describing. But these labels have always bothered me anyways.

Exactly BKA:) the type of male Dorian is describing is the rare five percent of the population. And yep, there's plaenty of good looking to "hot" people who can't get past a first date because they lack social skills or whatever. You can walk down the street everyday and see a below average guy looks wise hand in hand with a beautiful girl. And vice versa. Some of my friends who thought they'd never find a girl as they matured and figured out how to relate to them began having great success. And these are guys who barely take care of themselves. But had great personalities. Just my opinion but things are waaay more complex than just having a square jaw and acting dominant.

Haha. Maybe I am "average", however my real life experience and from what I've seen in friends and relatives doesnt quite jibe with your hypothesis. Funny thing is, I am in fact "high test" as proven by blood tests etc. I have has plenty of short term and longer term relations with some lovely and some not so lovely ladies. I guess the fact that I'm not ready to fight 24/7 or feel the need to flaunt myself makes me "average". So be it. I know plenty of guys who are anything but "high test" or anything close to aggressive or even good looking who manage to pull some stunners on a regular basis. If you want a real life example, check out Tyler from rsd nation. He's about as non high status looks wise as one can get, yet he regularly pulls models type women for "short term" fun. It just doesn't ring true to me at all.

Lol some of these responses are pretty depressing to think human mating can be boiled down to such simplistic scientific explanations. Also I find it kind of obtuse to pretend someone is a "high test aggressive male" 100 percent of the time. I have days where I feel this way and others not so much. And I have dated and attracted my share of women of varying types. I think things are much too complex to just say things are that black n white, although it certainly rings true in certain instances. All I'm saying is someone can appear to be a "high test male" in a bar one night yet another day appear rather "androgynous".

Ill join:).. 45 min of meditation.. 4 min horse stance and before bed 20 min of zhan zhuang qigong