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Where did you learn this about XIantian and Houtian? Funny that there is no mention of this only until recently (the last year or so). What School / Linage, who is your teacher? Yuanqi cannot be felt by humans.. Regards

Reading this page is sad. Long sitting practices, fasting and avoiding grains will drain the students energy. great damage to Qi.

I would like to ask the moderation team why comments like this does this not get flagged for trolling? It's not related to discussions at all, it's completely nothing to do with Dao, nothing to do with the OP, nothing to do with the quoted comment, it's not continuing debate on the conversation, it provides nothing. So why is it not flagged as trolling?

Pretty much it's been discussed multiple times over and over. I don't feel like repeating it, it's not necessary.

Who cares how you call it? The name is not important, the method is.

You're speaking nothing about the ancient Daoism, only modern Daoism. What you said about Quanzhen Dao is completely wrong, and very common modern views / ideas. Nothing related to the ancient Dao.

In English you separate these 2 words, can you do it in Chinese?

"my point is that neidan does not work"

Right. That is not what the text you quoted said anyway. But ill let you have it, it's your opinion, and your doubts are fair enough for you. But you are just closing yourself off from any opportunity, and that's your choice. Your choice to keep yourself isolated from Dao.

"The List is used for marketing (negative advertisement) purposes. The purpose is to belittle all other methods in order to make neidan into a mass product thus maximizing the revenue." These arguments / attacks you always come back to are getting old and overused now... "The claim is 'the minor methods are bad, neidan is good'." This was never really said like this, you try really hard to not see what is written I guess. Taiji, Baugua, Xingyi is great, for fighting, not for Neidan, who said it is bad? 'Meditation' has its uses for medical purposes, not for Neidan. Sure, in the perspective from an Xian, anything that is AGAINST the way to Great Dao yes it useless. But for example, for you maybe some Taiji or something else is not absolutely useless for you, for now. Whats your point you are making with your quoted text in bold? Yes, people themselves move themselves away from the Dao......

Scriptures will help guide you away from false paths. Having a true teacher is the only way to know what true path is though.

from Wuluipai, I have translated a great text of theirs from Russian, original from chinese to russian by Dimitri A. I hope I have done a nice job Single Teacher Yang said: In men, sixteen and fourteen years in women comes puberty. In men, there is outflow jing, in women their out flow comes monthly. At this time, the state of their bodies reaches the highest development, the true qi fills Sky and Earth organisms, then gradually begins to increase loss. All people under the influence of emotions, passions, greed and anxiety, the influence of society, the influence of nature and other conditions are wasting their yuan jing, qi and shen. All human life follows the inviltable principle of - Birth, growing, old age, sickness, then death. Aging and death are objective factors that can not be resisted. Human life can be compared with a clay pot filled with oil, this oil by burning continuously which is always decreasing, jing, qi and shen. Human bodies reduce jing qi shen in the same manner, when the oil in a pan over the fire is out and, Yuan Jing in the human body is over, and death will come. Age sixteen for men, and age 14 for women, at this age they have highest development jing and qi in the body. Following the previous comparison, it looks like a pot filled with oil completely, then immediately comes the continuous leakage until death. "Adding oil to fill the fate Ming" - is the use of special alchemy for progress in improving the return of already wasted mans Yuan jing and Yuan qi, and to bring the body back to the physiology and age of "filled pot" of oil again. Filling bodys yuan jing is similar to that of filling pot with a new portion of oil, and only after the final refilling can the student begin to practice "remelting jing to qi. "Adding oil to fill the fate Ming" - a method of improving, the reverse method of refilling yuanjing, so that it becomes possible to return human to youth, extend longevity and start the next practice of alchemy. PS: i am not a student of Wuluipai. Just sharing their open materials.

Can anyone help? How to tell someone has genuine LHBF? There is a teacher near me, I want to check his linage etc. I don't know much about LHBF. . Any tips?

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Correct training.

Define "internal processes"

based on our belief is not really what is being said. There is reason why the word "believes" is used, more to soften to tone to be more welcoming to outsiders. If it was said as Daoist know for sure this is how it works and all others are wrong, its not so welcoming for others with differnt backgrounds who are intersted in Daoism, more likely to deter some from wanting to know more. Its more discussing it as a concept for public to more easily understand. Neidan changes fate and not based on beliefs.. I have not really explained myself here very well, if at all. I'll try come back to clarify later. "To hold the key to your life means to master natural power and natural power is creative power, this is the internal elixir" Master Dong Yang

"There are a great many reasons for studying what Daoist have said in the past. One is that we cannot separate the history of Daoism from that of humanity. Daoism is largely discussion about matters on which few ancient Daoist masters are quite certain, and majority of the world hold opposite opinions. As knowledge increases, the sciences get greatly developed. The study of Daoism should make our own ideas flexible. We are all of us apt to take certain general ideas for granted, and call them common senses. We should learn that Taoist have held quite different ideas and that our own have started as very original guesses of Daoism. But the Daoism is really a vital key in the process of the survival of the fittest. " "Daoist believes that the future depends on ourselves" - Master Dongyang

"way of reversal of nature" going against nature in a sense, I think your not understanding the importance of this statement. This is the way of Daoist Alchemy. All things in life you have control over... "My destiny is inside me, it is not in heaven" You're responsible for all things in your life, all actions, all reactions, all interactions, health, sickness, wealth, its all fate for ordinary people. Alchemy makes it possible to "change your fate".

I don't really know a great deal about Zhuangzi, so I cannot really comment on how correct or incorrect the translations are here. What I can say though: This is the way of creation and destruction, in other words "ordinary Dao" not Da Dao. Great Dao that Laozi speaks of is the way of reversal of nature, taking destiny into your own hands, not nature controlling your destiny, to take hold of it and claim true freedom. Ie: restoring life, returning youth (all are some practical effects of restoring Yuanqi).

No pre-heaven Qi, no life. It definitely exists. To restore and keep Yuanqi(neidan) and reduce wastage(extensive sleeping, celibacy etc) are not the same things either. The latter still leads to death, ie: complete depletion of Yuanqi. To spend it, its happening at all times, lifestyle can reduce waste, Neidan methods can restore Yuanjingqi.

Most Martial Arts Masters die quite young I find, because they deplete their Yuanqi. If they are really celestial immortal they do not die, already before this stage its possible to be hundreds or even millions of years old. Chances of you hearing about or seeing such things is next to 0. Your not understanding basic Daoist theory. Maybe go and read Neijing for starters.

Traditional Neidan methods are to restore pre heaven jingqishen. Marble is both right and wrong. If we had no preheaven Qi (Yuan Qi) we would not be alive. On its complete depletion comes death. Qi separate from Shen (Yin Shen emerges) still within Samsara. Before cultivate "lightbody" its first a requirement to restore Yuanjingqi, then join with Shen = what's called 2 Qi or Xing Ming merging = elixir = embryo of Yangshen = "light body". This is the basic schema found in Neidan classics and traditional schools.

Aussie here, welcome

Your talking about things that can't be proven online. What is in texts is what we can discuss, keep talking about wanting proofs of immortals...no such sense to keep mentioning this. No such things will ever take place. You find immortals and learn from them, Immortals have no interest in finding you, and proving anything to you "This is a malicious lie with the goal to give power exclusively to schools and authorities." Man...no words... enjoy your day. I will reply to you Apeiron&Peiron later.