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Do you actually think there are any potentially detrimental ways that don't attract unstable persons? Just asking.

Oh. Hm, if it helps *shrugs Ps: Thanks for explanation!

Greet you, nice to meeet you PS: What is circle walking?

The problem is - well, I don't know about these kunlun wars, but in the actual case the initiators will hardly spit hidden secrets. They argue with Youtube-videos showing this or that kind of nice tricks, and otherwise mainly engage in making accusations and insulting people. Yes, would maybe like some great practicioners discuss their issues. Unfortunately that's not what it is about in this case. And this actively induced decrease of communication- and practice-level is really something which I wouldn't like to support in any way. Parents have to cope with annoying phases of development of their children. But mods as well as users on here should be more or less grown-ups and be able to reflect their behaviour on their own. Sorry, more than 2 cents

Concerning new members, well. PMark is still active, right? But yes, reduce entrance would be quite useful, I think. Vote for subforum is a clear: NO. What kind of a way to deal with the situation is this, creating a new subforum to "honour" exactly those people who come here to make trouble, engage in missionary activities, are blinded by their belief of being right like maybe some medieval Christians couldn't have done better, and all the time insist that everybody ELSE is the cause of the problem, especially the mod team that has to clean up behind them? I don't like the idea - Taobums has not that much subforums, and that's positive, as there's some structure in it, but not too much. Creating a subforum just because the topic is at the moment prey to some people who abuse it for their ego-games, and very obviously, on top of all, DO NOT EVEN PRACTICE THAT STUFF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT! is clearly not what I'd like to see as a reaction to that situation. Sometimes it makes me really angry to see a path that can hardly be THAT stupid, and it's real members that can hardly be so bad practicioners used as a punchball for people who just don't want anything else but behave like 5-year olds who didn't get their icecream. As BKA said, in the pit - there it's not searchable, and that is the real place for flaming threads. Maybe be more open to close them, even if they are already pitted. It's just against my idea of what "should be" to give a subforum to some topic just because its non-practicing fans don't behave and don't even want to behave. If there should be a subforum anyways, I'd propose to have it not searchable, so at least that part would be kind of a political decision to improve things in the long run. Best to all of you anyways, and thanks for giving members some opportunity to partake in the discussion and decision

Well, if you have experience in teaching Mo Pai ways, I'd suggest you start teaching it to those of your friends who like to speak for people they've never met personally. If you'd be so kind to teach him more than just imagining Psi Balls he might even be able to show some character development, allowing him to stop thinking in his dualism of "wuaaah, my opinion is not allowed" which is actually a blatant lie, as it never was about his opinions, but about his respectless way of dealing with people. And yes, moderators are people(, too). I'd suggest you give those stubborn brains a wash and have them apologize for a lot of unfair, if not to say, wrong, accusations he made against certain persons in here. And maybe have him stop comment on a foreign forum on things that happen here. If you quit, you quit. Administration here doesn't consist of assh*les, and you guys, or "your friends" should well know that. It is for sure not nice to write out of a "ghost" status. Actually I suggest that you guys take a step back, take a brake, and use the time you'd usually invest in following threads over here for meditation. Unfortunately character development doesn't look as nice as producing psi balls or moving playing cards from two meters of distance, but actually for such issues it would indeed help to invest time and effort into it.

I would also help out if in return I might get back checkboxes for my PPF

Hm, yes, sometimes religious people are extremely direct in making you work for them. I tended to visit some small temple room 'round here, and the person over there is so exhausted from the need of making everybody feel at home there, that she has become quite red in the face. And who are the guys who are the victim of complains and for the work to be done - well, me and another nice woman, who just recently appeared; not those guys that had been used to be given the familiar feeling for years. I saw some ordained people being guest there, and bet whom I never saw do dishes or clean up the room afterwards. But looking down upon lay practicioners, not wasting a minute to think about the fact that I am a person with a job who'd really like to get rest somewhere, it is obviously easy to determine who'll do the dirty jobs. If you happen to have nice people around, why not abuse them for whatever they'll do for you. Btw ... I'm not visiting that place anymore. Actually you first have to learn meditation before being able to apply real mindfulness on anything else. Otherwise you're fooling yourself. And guess which part of that bill was not being taught in that very place. Sometimes it's really just religion.

Best to both of you!

Well, you started that OT by calling healers persons who act out of a wrong understanding of the world, so I'll hardly be more or less OT than you by showing that this argument is basically completely wrong and a result of deluded forms of belief, or "religious logic/reasoning" No, thanks, may anyone else waste their time. As I mentioned, I found such ignorant attitudes like yours are common amongst buddhists, and it's really not my task to save that religion. Have fun with it anyways. As to your own argumentation, "mental states", no matter whether mine or yours, don't have substance. How could something that has no substance bring things into existence, e.g. karma. How would one particular state of mine bring the principle of cause and effect into existence. Hence, just another buddhist who has never heard about the fundamental identity of samsara and nirvana, and still wants to lecture others about emptiness. Ridiculous. I'd ask you to go ask your teachers next time before posting such non-compassionate stuff, yet, I wouldn't expect any official teachers nowadays to be real masters. So better don't ask, might make things worse. The topic is advertisement anyway, but well, might that OT be stopped. Maybe just keep your unhealthy buddhist beliefs in some buddhist forum next time

I guess with that you've qualified to update C T's individual conditioning regarding that matter "You are mistaking a dream-like state for reality" is an appropriate answer only in extremely few cases of suffering.The problem about standing besides a crying baby and discussing the emptiness of it's state instead of just feeding it out of compassion is a problem few persons might have if not having been in contact with buddhist reasoning. After the latter has taken place, arrogance and pride assist pure heart-less-ness in decisions against doing the right thing. And one core of that problem is the simple fact that thinking about the empty nature of the person in need is a way to deal with the theory of emptiness, while acting out of compassion is it's practice. Unfortunately few buddhists seem to get the latter part. You can hardly helpnanyone who has fallen into the trap to think s/he is a "higher", "knowing" being now, the elite of humanity who knows that the hungry baby is an empty state, and thereby leaves the feeding to those lower beings who are still "stuck" in what you thrn have to call "dream like states". And that's not even Vajrayana. That's just the relatively more harmless buddhist concept of emptiness and it's effect on those who are deluded and/or lack virtue. Those teachings are not fit for persons who lack wisdom. And that's exactly why in many cases it will do more harm than good to publicly proclaim such things. By the way, one good thing about Vajrayana is that in most of its systems it is breaking a vow to teach emptiness to those who are not qualified, and it also is breaking vows to show a lack of compassion. Those vows are really not great, special or high-level, just an absolutely basic, necessary foundation for ALL persons or beings. Still, although people seem to tend to regard themselves as the ultimate and great practicioners if they were given "vows", maybe in a nice ceremony, they don't even seem to understand the most simple concepts. Directly speaking, C T, if you want to take sides of Vajrayana and defend that system, I'd suggest you engage in the basic concepts of it first. I'm not criticizing that thing to take revenge or s.thing. It's just that detrimental effects are too obvious - and arguing against the idea and concept of healing and directly, actively helping people is one of the worst traps you can get into in that system. As Jetsun mentioned, few or no persons at all who act in a natural way would leave that baby crying. I feel quite some buddhists would, trying to forcefully act in a way that accords to their little, rational understanding of "emptiness". I've offered some opportunities to you to demonstrate that your level of understanding is deep enough to qualify that first post of yours, and though you argued that it's some crowd far away that makes me criticize Vajrayana, you left out quite some possibilities to demonstrate that you're better than them. In your interest I hope that although you're obviously confused about the real nature of emptiness, you're still able to do good, or in other words, feed the baby. You should be aware that anything else, and every argumentation against that deed, is transgressing vows, not in theory, but in practice. Most stupid beings know you have to feed a crying baby. To a buddhist you have to explain why, and why s/he's not making her-/himself a Shravaka, namely, practicioner of a "lower way" by doing so. How could anybody safe such a system. Karma still exists, and will continue to exist. Don't think it is so easy.

Hm, yes. Jetsun, that discussion wasn't set up for persons like you

Hey, it's about emptiness. Why would anybody care what matters to the baby? Hungry baby is a transient state anyway, isn't it?Somewhere you have to set priorities. ...

Well, after not being fed for some definite amount of time, there might not be a crying baby any more as well, nor a hungry one.Considering that nothing ever happens in both cases that lead to the non-existence of a crying baby, would the way how this state is achieved still matter or not, and why should it or why should it not matter?

Well, congratulation then to a high being like you for being able to reach things without putting in effort, time, discipline and perseverance ^^ For a lower being like me it doesn't work like that, so I'm quite thankful for such remarks.

Well, nothing ever happens now, still few babies will stop crying when hungry if you tell them.

http://www.meditationexpert.com/yoga-kung-fu/y_zen_sickness_of_zen_master_han_shan.htm

That was not "one case", and I'm not talking about self-proclaimed pseudo-gurus. Anyway you're right in that it's OT. And yes, I admit that a lot of what's transported publicly over here fits some general ethical requirements in the west. But if you ask me, that's not because Vajrayana is great, but because they have to adjust their teachings to a Western idea of ethical conduct if they want to sell their dharma here. Edit: And to be clear about it, I absolutely think that Vajrayana can work, to some degree at least, if it's a story of a realized master teaching personal disciples. But let's be honest, realized masters are extremely rare, and if it's about the crowd you can be happy if what is done in monasteries and centers is not Vajrayana. It's not fit for masses, and even for talented people there are better ways. Better than nothing, yes. But actually all that magic ans siddhi stuff tends to spoil people on more than one level.

Oh, I don't have an overload in the strict sense, but I really need kind of outer pressure to do intense stuff at the moment, for usually if I ho into it, it starts to hurt extremely due to purification processes going on. The point is, purification is also taking place without meditation. And I really don't have anyone around locally whom I'd trust sufficiently to practice together and help me with that. People are just not qualified for s.thing like that. So, are you talking about Zen sickness or s.thing related to this?

Funny that you mention that. Though you're not necessarily and in all cases wrong with that, I more found that Vajrayana is and was a nice excuse to behave like the last assh*les on earth, and whenever you'd try to point to things like necessity of purification and virtue, they would just define their bad manners and lack of ethics, morals and virtue as "skillful means" which they applied for this and that reason, e.g. confronting others with their demons. Which is a dangerous path obviously, as it's a nice way how ciminals and nonvirtuous people are always right. All a detrimental form of misunderstanding dharma teachings, but whst ain't you gonna do about it. I guess the only solution might be to wait until that path dies out by itself.

Well, you may appreciate that there are indeed people wandering on this planet who don't know about that light, and can only see the film; and yet, there are those who know about the light, but still get caught into the film, to a bigger or lesser extend. Expecting people to be able to do what they cannot do is not a very compassionate attitude. Dying of hunger is part of the film as well. Yet you can hardly claim it's the fault of people themselves if they suffer and die from hunger. Finally suffering is a good reason to try to get rid of attachment to the film, yet it's hard to realize the truth out of that situation.

Great post, thanks for sharing And respect towards you to do this. I'm just dealing with some disturbed spirits from time to time, not really evil and powerful ones, and I'd certainly lack the education to confront the latter. It's dangerous to do that, so even if you'd take money for it, you could actually hardly charge what it would be worth to perform such an act. And well... if the world could be healed by just pacifying spirits, things would actually be quite easy. More often than not it's the persons themselves who carry bad things with them that would need clearing or purification. And most of these things are things they have to solve on their own if it shall clear up. How could somebody be saved from effects of what they started themselves, in the long run. If somebody's carrying grudges, or acting in evil ways, how would you hinder their own decision. Just to get back to that topic of "karma" that was also included in the thread title. Finally ghosts are not the only (outer) entities that might hinder one's wellbeing.

Well, in most cases, if a spirit is not bound to a location, actually it should not be a problem, right? Physical space doesn't exist for them like it does for us.

well, most of the proposed answers are not adequate