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By power, I mean able to enter deep meditation states easily, lucid dream/astral project at will and everyday, heal others especially, etc. If so, could you explain in detail how you attained this power. I'm just curios how the people around here stand and as I'm starting all of this energy stuff, I want to have a good foundation and try something that works. I know meditation is extremely helpful and I do it everyday, but I'm not really seeing any progress with meditation. Yea I'm able to calm my mind, slow my breath almost to a stop, and remember some dreams, but that's it. I sometimes do horse stance and then my body automatically starts reverse breathing and my legs shake, but I'm still not noticing any differences. I'm curious to see what actually works for people. Please don't say mo pai because I researched this and can't find any reliable information past a certain level. Also the book(The Magus of Java) although a good read, seems exaggerated. Thanks for reading this post and if you have any advice/criticism, please input your thoughts.

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Thanks everyone. I know not to be greedy, not to abuse anything, enjoy moments of life, not to crave power, etc; all fantastic advice from multiple sources. I have found an answer so thank you all

Okay, thanks for your advice and criticism. I understand what you're saying but I'm still going to find something else. From what I've been reading, I need to be able to go into deep meditation states and must get better at that first, so before I even start practicing mo pai I have a long way to go. Probably a few years before I actually start attempting this training, so in the mean time I've found something pretty interesting to occupy my time. Anyways thanks for the insight, but I'm not ready for mo pai yet. Haha thanks for the encouragement. People actually started asking why I'm so happy which I'm assuming is due to my recent meditation , I never noticed until this post. Alright thanks for your wise insight and great analogy. Worry not, I won't abuse any power I may attain. Hopefully I will find this key through meditation and self-mastery. If not, I'll simply destroy this door... just kidding I've gotten to probably a lower version of that state only once when there were absolutely no thoughts, but only once (It's hard to reliably get into that state). Thanks for advice Haha okay, I know that stuff will take a long time, maybe not even in a few years. However, regarding meditation, I just don't focus on breathing at all, sometimes I'll notice it but other times, I forget I'm even breathing and just notice it slow down considerably. But I'm not gonna focus on the lower dan tian, at least not until I make some progress with other things Thanks for the quote, very inspiring. I'm actually focusing very heavily on realizing my mistakes, flaws, bad qualities, and transmuting them into something better. I respect most religions like Christianity, but that's still not my thing. Sorry Woah, I don't even notice my heartbeat in meditation

True, but most people does not equal everyone. What I'm getting from this is basically deep meditation outside for the first step. I want to try this, bu But assuming after say ten years I complete this, where would I go for instructions then. This makes sense and I like it, thanks for the advice. I'll do both, enjoy the moments of life while still working towards my goals. Lol what? Okay, but what if after 2 years you can meditate easier but that's it. If nothing happens I'll still be meditating because I enjoy it, but I want something interesting to happen that will show progress besides simply being a better meditater. Yes power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Regardless, I still want it. I know having power doesn't make one better than another, but it can allow for some interesting stuff to happen. I respect a lot people who can't astral project or heal. However, I still want it. I'm sorry that I'm not able to fully explain my reasons or if they seem childish, but don't worry, my ego is quite tame. Lol Wait a sec, who mentioned putting out candle flames or shooting fireballs. I hope you're not talking about me.

Okay I see what you're saying. In a way, I basically already am practicing mo pai level 0. The only exception is in meditation, I don't focus on my lower dantain, I don't focus on anything. You're saying that I should consider mo pai because that by itself will have take up most of my time. However, I forget the level but eventually I believe that you're supposed to fill and compress the dantian, move it in multiple directions, cut the cords of karma and then mix it with a yin channel. What does this mean specifically in English?

Okay I will, and if you find something with documented proof that also fully explains its system, let me know . But seriously, I'm not trying to argue with you, I just don't want to waste my time. Sorry some grammar mistakes.

Perhaps I should rephrase that, I believe that SOME systems have a grain of truth to them. Also, you never know what someone is capable of until they actually try. Maybe what I'm searching for is unrealistic, but I'm still not going to waste time with something that won't fully explain it's system.

Well, that's in Missouri in I wouldn't be able to travel there, but I'll make sure to research him, thanks. The thing with this is that although I'm about to go church this morning, I'm not religious. I love the values of Christianity, but I don't consider myself one anymore... I don't know what I believe about religion. Lol, I guess I interpreted that very wrong. I see where you're going with this... Well what is real "meditation"? I'm not actually throwing it out, that is why I continue to do horse stance when I have time along with daily meditation. I believe that this is a valid, legitimate system. Also, I wouldn't say that its the only thing that's real, I heard that there were other masters in hiding that also had similar powers as John but didn't want to reveal it. These people probably teach different systems or perhaps they don't teach at all. I believe that all systems have some grain of truth to them, like religion. I know mo pai is real because it has documented success, however, in my opinion it is not worth fully pursuing because it only explains the first 3 levels.

Lol Well I wanted lucid dreaming first since that would be the most useful tool. I would be able to meditate in my dreams and practice martial arts and various other teaching while being able to effectively communicate with my subconscious. Perhaps your right in that I need more patience ... anyway, I will attain all of these eventually, I just wanna make sure I'm on the right path.

I dislike specialization, as Robert Heinlein said, specialization is for insects. That being said my ultimate goal is to: go deep into meditation at will, lucid dream at will, astral project at will, heal others, control my energy, expand consciousness(I see this as basically seeing the truth in life), and a few other things. Now, I may seem like a glutton for power, but I couldn't really care less for how long this takes because I know that I will achieve this. I just want to know that I'm on the right path, which is why I posted this topic. Sweet, I'm doing something right. So the moral of the story is that I should help people... I do that quite often

The qigong exercises I did for about a month because I'm busy with school, clubs, etc. I recently found out about meditation some time last year or maybe in 2012. Anyways, when I began I meditated on and off but for the past month, I have and will continue to meditate at least once per day. Although, this is zen meditation and just emptying the mind and no breath. My meditation typically lasts for 10mins to 30mins if I'm lucky enough to go deep into meditation, then I sort of loose track of time. I *meditate* two times a day.

Haha I need something physical to supplement mental training but I understand. When you say mind training, what do you mean specifically. I understand/like this. Don't worry, I don't intend to be able to KAMEHAMEHA things and have unlimited power. I do however, wish to master myself, expand consciousness, see the truth of things, be happy, and help others.

Okay thanks, I actually used to do some qigong taichi exercises which are great for health, but I don't think that they What specific type of meditation do you suggest? Wow I must not be able to type, I keep on making mistakes lol.

What do you mean by precision? I just don't want to waste time with something that doesn't work. Anyway thanks for the advice but could you elaborate on precision. That's another shame then. I thought emptying the mind led to results. I'll still be doing this but what type of meditation would you suggest? Thanks for the advice. Now that's a big surprise, people actually teach for free. Okay, I'll look for people around my area. Thanks for the advice. Oops didn't mean to type that.

Well that's disappointing, do you know of anyone who teaches something that actually works and has youtube videos for a person to watch and learn from them.

Well, I'm still in high school so I couldn't really afford to pay a teacher... I'm really just looking for systems that really work. I heard about mo pai and feel that it's real, but I can't find any reliable info on it, which is why I want to know what system you practice and if you have any results.

Well, I'm not sure *what* focal meditation is but I try not focus on anything and just clear my mind. I know I mentioned breathing exercises but I don't really do any in meditation besides noticing my breath stopping. I think zen meditation is what I'm doing(I never really looked up meditation names). I do horse stance just because I read about it in that magus of java book. When I say I want power, I should rephrase that into I want too see a measurable result so that I know I'm doing something right.

Two years... I mean I'll still meditating two years from now but that's too long for something to happen. How is one supposed to know that they're progressing at all? Okay thanks for the advice, but I meant more along the lines of something you do personally and has clear results.

Hello everyone, I'm a teen from the U.S. and I typically meditate before sleeping for about 10-20 minutes. I recently heard about and read a book called the Magus of Java; although some parts of this book seemed ridiculous, I think that it has some truth in it. Ever since I read this book, I've been taking meditation more seriously, doing horse stances, and have been looking into all kinds of energy systems, martial arts, beliefs, etc. with the intention of becoming more spiritual, acquring powers (lucid dreaming/out-of-body-experience, healing, others) and gaining more self-control. Anyways, thanks for reading and I hope to enjoy this website and community.

Thanks guys, I'll make sure I check out the rules as soon as possible.