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Did you try EFT. There is an excellent course available online if you search. It is very long. Recorded each day of a seminar that lasted a number of days each recording is like an hour. That’s how I learned. I was homeless/jobless at the time really struggling and going through a difficult break up. EFT helped me understand how to quickly short circuit my system without the need for anything complicated or timely. You might want to give it a chance. Sounds like you could do with releasing a lot from your nervous system. it bypasses the thought process. To me it seemed to good to be true at first. But it worked and was way at I needed. It bypassed my thought processes in a way I’d not experienced before. Very fast. and I’ve tried many modalities EFT really impressed me for its Efficiency and Simplicity Easy to learn and makes a great companion for life

No not at at all, you read between the lines quite well. That is often how I write as those who know will understand and those who not know will not be misled. quite right… the vow is pretty much where anything starts isn’t it. It’s a decision in the truest meaning of the word… to cut off from what have been. I think Vow perfectly illustrates this. Once a vow has been made of it is to hold any value or meaning it means a certain cutting off from the previous approach . “What’s the matter, matter only matters if you make it matter…”Words like this tend to take on a deeper meaning

I agree with this. Trying something matter of fact like plain old NLP , bypass the conscious mind and do some basics like sync work and reframing techniques. I remember beginning with nlp in 2005 and I realised even watching people speak on YouTube and allowing myself to gently get in sync with the movements and rhythms gave great insights and helped get towards changes. nlp is great for transforming fears and overcoming phobias and limiting beliefs EFT is also very good and not dissimilar when you strip it to the guiding principles.

Hmm, it won’t let me quote to answer each part directly. the ignorance is bliss comment was just intended as is said in English to demonstrate the less we know the better sometimes. The protection I’m talking of might be Guardian Angel , we all have a certain shield don’t we. Vows, spring to mind with what I was getting at ‘kind of’ like on the Mahayana Buddhist paths . They take vows and understand if they break the vows they will incur downfalls. I think some of this is self fulfilling prophecy. Example I snaked for years and never gave it a second thought, it was part of my healthy human behaviour of being and anything about it being bad I considered nonsense … when I quit smoking and then a little later returned to smoking, I felt bad every cig I had . A lot of the downfall was psychological… i like what you say about this dweller keeping back outer forces from the aspirant until they are developed enough to deal with it. Very cool 😎

No not really, only if this is what is being talked about here I understand. Like the automatic spiritual protection we are all born with to keep us relatively safe in most cases. (What we don’t know doesn’t hurt us) The force that only really acts upon us as a rule , [following one or breaking one], when we are aware of it as a rule (as in ‘ignorance is bliss’) Is it this kind of Guardian that is at the beginning, it felt as though it was being suggested that this was something way down the road and not the ‘initial’ encounter found by lay person before starting their adventures.

I would ask Archangel Michael for protection often, very often. So much of what you are asking for is reliant upon your ability to perceive it. It is all there for you. It just depends on your level of dedication and commitment. Whatever system you settle on. Prepare strictly before you take it up. Cut out all sugar and caffeine and smoking, eat very simply, maybe veggie for weeks. Meditate, have early nights, listen to soothing music, take hot baths, really take care of yourself.// Then book on the course, go on the retreat, or whatever it may be... You will have the experiences there, that the other participants will not, same teacher, same teachings, different experience. It is a relationship you are seeking to develop with these experiences and like with every relationship there is a firmly needed foundation, of trust and respect... Then you will see it very clearly with clear eyes. But I will insist again ask Archangel Michael to help you whatever path you choose, he will be there, in a heart beat.

The soul is on a journey, what goes around comes around. The 3d world and time is cool, enjoy it, lie down on the ground. Be open to co create with it, the more you experience, the more sure you will be of your path, it will let you know if you veer off it. It may seem to narrow, but your soul will be doing what's it meant to be doing. Don't chase death man, be thankful for everyday above ground and revel in life's greatness. It truly is magnificent that everything is here, at your fingertips...

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That's great Yang, you really are surfing on the edges of the moment/consciousness/truth What are your perspectives on the phenomena of time though??? beginning middle end??? Do you think time feeds in to what you are saying at all. I think you are missing a lot. There is a lot more synergy you can bring to the table if you include time in your summations.

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In other words, I think you can inhabit other universes (and times) and then come back to this one, I think dreams are potentially a conduit for this . I'm not 100%, but I'm fairly certain this is the case

Brilliant read this thread thankyou. There are elements in this video that get close to my lived understanding of dreams and the links to mortality / immortality also the apparent opportunities that we have to live beyond 1000's of deaths paradoxically even in this one life. It has to me been possible to experience in waking, but also possible at times in dreamstates... I'm a believer that there are infinite universes and this is the true meaning of the potential to experience everlasting life. But we are limited as to one we can see and how far we can go in the choices we make here before reaching mortal death in this (and possibly many other universes close by) universe. Simultaneously though we are still running many different combos of outcomes and they can at times be viewed even partially controlled or at least partially experienced through the inner senses / dreamstates awake or asleep, maybe second attention is a better wording. I've been shown many things that defy the laws of time and space and have led me to be unbound from this physical form (and time) and able to roam, only then somehow, to regain consciousness and return back to this time and to this body, aware that this live will always loop back to itself, no matter how many times I die or become another part of time/universe. I've had many experiences like this over the years, It wasn't till listening to the first ten minutes of this video that I smiled, and thought yeah, it's nice to hear something so closely entwined with what I've been led to believe is true through life experiences. Hope you give the video a try, if you like this thread I think you'll love it.

so what is the purpose, goal or skill associated with taking this step? Or subjective and elusive home truths you care not to share.

Try not to get too caught up on it, so many past lives, so many good times and bad, good deaths and bad deaths. No worries it is all just variations arising and passing. You will be alright I'm sure. Just live simple and basic, as long as you have money to do so. You will be blessed, if not work for your food and lodgings, you will find a way, and good health will follow. The love and light is with you always and through the universe it and you are recycled over and over again billions of years past billions of years, from dazzling stars to deep cold space , you were fine and you will be fine again. I hope to meet you on your path sometime, be free.

Sun Simiao (581–682 CE), often referred to as the "King of Medicine" in Chinese history, was a Taoist physician during the Tang Dynasty. Renowned for his profound contributions to Chinese medicine and Taoist health practices, he emphasized the integration of body, mind, and spirit for achieving optimal health. His writings on preventive care, exercise, and spiritual cultivation resonate deeply with the principles of the Yi Jin Jing (Muscle/Tendon Changing Classic), particularly in their shared focus on the harmony of internal energy and physical strength. Key Teachings of Sun Simiao and Parallels to Yi Jin Jing Stretching and Tendon Conditioning Sun Simiao: In his seminal work, Essential Prescriptions for Every Emergency, Sun advocated gentle exercises that stretch and condition the muscles and tendons to improve circulation and overall vitality. He believed this practice prevented stagnation of qi (energy) and maintained youthful vigor. Parallel with Yi Jin Jing: The Yi Jin Jing's sequences aim to stretch the tendons, strengthen muscles, and optimize the flow of qi. Both stress that flexibility and strength in the tendons are crucial for health and longevity. Breathing Techniques for Vital Energy Sun Simiao: He emphasized regulated breathing as a means to balance the body's qi and calm the mind, stating, “Breath controls the root of life; with practice, it becomes as steady as flowing water.” Parallel with Yi Jin Jing: Controlled breathing is fundamental in Yi Jin Jing exercises. Movements are synchronized with deep, diaphragmatic breathing to cultivate internal energy, mirroring Sun’s guidance on achieving harmony between breath and movement. Holistic Health and Longevity Sun Simiao: His approach to health combined physical activity, dietary discipline, herbal medicine, and meditation. He believed in nourishing both the body and spirit, echoing the Taoist idea of living in accordance with nature. Parallel with Yi Jin Jing: The Yi Jin Jing is not merely a physical regimen but a holistic practice that aligns body and mind, supporting longevity through balanced movement and spiritual focus. Gentle Yet Effective Movements Sun Simiao: He advised against overly strenuous exercise, favoring gentle, repetitive movements that could be sustained over a lifetime without causing harm. “Do not exhaust the body but nurture it with persistence and moderation.” Parallel with Yi Jin Jing: The Yi Jin Jing emphasizes flowing, non-aggressive movements designed to build strength gradually, avoiding the exhaustion Sun warned against. Integration of Medical and Martial Practices Sun Simiao: As a Taoist and physician, Sun understood the overlap between martial training and health cultivation. His daoyin exercises, rooted in Taoist practice, sought to heal the body while enhancing its capabilities. Parallel with Yi Jin Jing: The Yi Jin Jing, often linked to Shaolin martial arts, is a prime example of integrating health cultivation with martial strength, demonstrating how physical exercises can have profound healing effects. Mental and Emotional Harmony Sun Simiao: He advocated for emotional balance, warning against excessive anger or worry, as these could disrupt the flow of qi. Meditation and mindfulness were integral to his health prescriptions. Parallel with Yi Jin Jing: The Yi Jin Jing incorporates meditative focus, encouraging practitioners to unite mental calmness with physical exertion, fostering emotional and spiritual harmony. Taoist Philosophy in Both Traditions Both Sun Simiao's teachings and the Yi Jin Jing reflect a Taoist worldview where balance, simplicity, and alignment with natural rhythms are key. The Yi Jin Jing’s emphasis on adaptability and resilience mirrors Sun's medical philosophy, where health is achieved by harmonizing with the natural flow of qi in the universe. Sun Simiao (581–682 CE) is also credited with popularizing the Six Healing Sounds (Liu Zi Jue, 六字诀) which is a practice I love very much, though he may not have been the original creator. The origins of the Six Healing Sounds practice date back to earlier Taoist and medical traditions, but Sun played a pivotal role in systematizing and preserving these techniques in his writings, particularly in his medical compendia like the Essential Prescriptions for Every Emergency (Beiji Qianjin Yaofang, 備急千金要方).*

I’m wondering what are your; Experiences with Yi Jin Jing? Other trainings you find compatible? Recommendations for practice? Resources you might recommend? and anything else on the subject. I’ve been practicing for a while and I don’t really dig around online for information as I’m pretty happy with the set I’m using. I’d be interested to read what you guys thing though, those who have experience. Also I think it could be a brilliant thread for people to be introduced to the practice as it’s such a solid approach and base to work out from and return to when needed. Thankyou 🙏

There is a well-supported theory that many Southeast Asian languages trace their origins to Taiwan, based on linguistic and archaeological evidence. This theory is part of the larger Austronesian expansion hypothesis, which connects the spread of Austronesian languages to early human migrations. Origins in Taiwan Timeframe: Linguists and archaeologists place the origins of Austronesian languages in Taiwan around 4,000–3,000 BCE. This aligns with evidence of the Neolithic Dapenkeng culture in Taiwan, which had advanced agriculture, pottery, and maritime skills. Linguistic Evidence: Taiwan is home to the greatest diversity of Austronesian languages, with nine distinct branches found only there. This diversity suggests it is the point of origin, as linguistic diversity typically decreases farther from a source. Migration Routes and Phases 1. Out of Taiwan (~3000–2000 BCE): Early Austronesian speakers migrated southward, crossing the Bashi Channel into the Philippines. These people brought with them agriculture (rice and millet), pottery, and seafaring technologies. Archaeological evidence includes the spread of red-slipped pottery and agricultural practices. 2. Into Island Southeast Asia (2000–1500 BCE): From the Philippines, Austronesian groups expanded to Borneo, Sulawesi, and the western parts of Indonesia. This migration likely followed coastal and island-hopping routes using outrigger canoes, enabling long-distance sea travel. 3. Eastward into the Pacific (1500–1000 BCE): Some groups moved into Melanesia and later into Polynesia, reaching islands like Fiji, Samoa, and Tonga by 1000 BCE. These migrations are supported by the spread of Lapita pottery, which is distinct and widely found in the Pacific. 4. Westward into Mainland Southeast Asia (2000 BCE and later): Some Austronesian-speaking groups moved into Vietnam, Cambodia, and parts of Thailand, influencing local languages and cultures. 5. Southward into Madagascar (~500 CE): Austronesian speakers, specifically from Borneo, reached Madagascar, introducing language, agriculture (like bananas and taro), and other cultural practices. Key Supporting Evidence Linguistic Evidence: Austronesian languages are now spoken across a vast region, from Madagascar to Easter Island. The reconstruction of Proto-Austronesian and its daughter languages points to Taiwan as the origin. Archaeology: The spread of similar pottery styles, tools, and agricultural practices supports the Austronesian dispersal model. Genetics: DNA studies of Southeast Asian and Pacific populations reveal genetic links to Taiwanese indigenous peoples, particularly the Ami and Atayal. Maritime Technology: The invention and use of outrigger canoes and other advanced navigation tools enabled long-distance travel across the Pacific and Indian Oceans. Impact on Southeast Asia The Austronesian expansion shaped the linguistic and cultural landscape of Southeast Asia. Major modern languages like Tagalog (Philippines), Malay/Indonesian, and Cham (Vietnam/Cambodia) all belong to the Austronesian family. Fascinating,,,

I’d like to start an open discussion about Taiwan. Generally really. Have you visited or lived there, what are some of your experiences? Did you visit the east side of the Island where it is still more tribal? Anything you can say about Martial Arts over there? Any cool old stories about the distant past that spring to mind you could share? I’m aware there have been secret Taoist sects over there so I’m not really asking people about that, but it would be cool to know more about them if anyone thinks it’s appropriate to share… Thankyou 🙏

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Thankyou, yeas it’s quite physical and that seems to be main function. At the moment the logic I have to a daily practice is , become soft, but not too soft. Still do some strength training for muscles to avoid becoming to jellyfied and losing too much strength and muscle mass. But not doing too much strength training as it would take away from development of Huang So far practice and reasoning has led me to only do Legs resistance strength training as my Yijinjing only has be in static standing postures of varying leg distances apart depending on the movement, so less stimulation of legs to upper body. My understanding is quite young on the principles as stated. Is there any advice you may give to the first stepping stones of understanding Yijinjing in terms of theory/practice or any reading you could quote of recommend with a link 🙏 most appreciated.

Exactly , thanks for chiming on though. My current goal ‘as such’ is a to identify older Traditional Chinese characters once the movement can be [to the most part at least] defined in English terms, just like you attempted with “wagging the tail” in one way it is because I’d like to connect with the aspects of understanding and reasoning that would of existed closer to its inception in time, and homeland. Secondly I’m very interested to explore the more esoteric natures and applications within the movements and applied understanding through consciousness and alignment with energies. Think “balancing heaven and earth” for example with becomes a total treasure trove when we apply this kind of logic . I’m a firm believer in thinking that, arts such as this are not only individual and private practices, but are also living breathing practices that live here and now in space and time and continue to grow further nourishing our bodies and spirits. Firther adapting to the times we live in and the state and placement of objects in the living universe as they occupy space now… And that leads me to believe it’s cool to share a certain amount with each other on here which would otherwise perhaps remain private and secret. At least partially I’d like to discuss some of the more esoteric aspects of the practice, if indeed folk think there are any and resonate with what’s being said ❤️ ⭐️ 🌳

I'm in agreeance with you, although I'm not yet as methodical. That is great advice thankyou. In Chinese, the movement "Willow Tree Sways in the Wind" or "Swaying Willow" is often called: 柳树摆动 (Liǔ Shù Bǎi Dòng) 柳 (Liǔ): Willow 树 (Shù): Tree 摆动 (Bǎi Dòng): Swaying or swinging motion This term captures the imagery of a willow tree moving gently in the wind, emphasizing flexibility and fluidity in the movement. The particular movement I am trying to get the name of though I cant seem to find. I'm unsure if Swaying Willow is exactly it It is performed in wide stance arms clasped directly over head, palms facing outward, then with arms to ears bend left, bend right, and back to centre... I'd like to know the Chinese name for this if Swaying Willow is not totally accurate. Anybody now this one?

It's effective isn't it Did you ever hear about the legend that Karate was developed from Fujian White Crane Kung Fu, I've heard the stepping in forms are almost identical.

That must have been awesome! Would would have been some of your main take-aways from this experience, anything unexpected? From what I understand the same is true with Chen Style, some brutal and quite unbelievable potentialities. Totally agree with you there. Pak Sau though I think, great duty should be taught when teaching it properly and demonstrating it on a student..... Fantastic, you sound like an interesting character, I'd love to read your notes if you make any, sounds like you have some real introspection hmmm.

The Qigong move “Push the Mountain” (推山, Tuī Shān) features in my Yijinjing practice and is a gentle yet powerful exercise that focuses on harnessing inner energy and building strength, stability, and flow within the body. It involves pressing the hands forward with an engaged, grounded stance, as though one were pushing an imaginary mountain, mine is done with quite a wide stance and the knees are bent together while the hands are clasped and pushing out palms facing outward. This move enhances strength in the shoulders, arms, and back, while also improving focus, relaxation, and energy (Qi) flow. Let’s break down the Chinese characters and ideographs for “Push the Mountain” (推山) and examine their meanings and relevance to the movement: Character Analysis 推 (Tuī) — "Push" Radicals and Composition: The character 推 is composed of the radical 手 (shǒu), meaning "hand," and 隹 (zhuī), which refers to a small bird or sometimes signifies movement or action. Symbolism in Qigong Context: The 手 (hand) radical highlights the physical action of pushing with the hands, a core aspect of the exercise. The overall meaning of Tuī implies a directed force or movement outward from the body, as if moving energy forward. In the context of Qigong, this "push" is not only physical but also an energetic projection, encouraging a strong flow of Qi from the practitioner’s center outward through the arms and palms. 山 (Shān) — "Mountain" Radicals and Composition: The character 山 is one of the simplest pictographs in Chinese, resembling three peaks or a mountain range. It has no additional radicals and represents the concept of a mountain directly. Symbolism in Qigong Context: In Qigong philosophy, the mountain symbolizes stability, endurance, and immovable strength. By "pushing the mountain," practitioners are encouraged to feel the solidity and grounded nature of their own stance, while simultaneously cultivating a sense of resilience and inner power. It can also imply a movement of Qi that is steady and unyielding, as powerful as a mountain. Context and Imagery In the “Push the Mountain” exercise, the movement typically involves a grounded stance with a slight bend in the knees, while the arms press forward in unison from the chest. This pressing motion activates the muscles in the shoulders, back, and arms, but it also emphasizes the intentional flow of Qi through the body's energy pathways. Mental Focus and Visualization: As practitioners “push the mountain,” they are encouraged to visualize their Qi flowing outward through the hands, projecting strength and stability. The exercise draws on both physical and mental strength, embodying the mountain's immovable and grounded nature. This grounding is key in Qigong, as it helps balance and anchor the practitioner’s energy. Qigong Benefits: “Push the Mountain” is known to improve upper body strength, shoulder flexibility, and Qi circulation in the chest and arms. It’s a calming movement that connects body and mind, encouraging a sense of rootedness (grounding) and an even flow of breath.