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I have noticed there are a lot of argumetns about what is the true kriya yoga lineages. Anyway, there are people who do ayp who used to practice in tibetan budhist lineages. THere are also plenty of people who have left Tibetan Budhism for all sorts of other systems. The tibetan lineages are usually always intact. Unless true kriya yoga is somehow vastly superior to tibetan budhism, which I doubt, then people would sometimes leave even a true kriya yoga lineage for something else, say ayp. This does not have to mean the system is bad just that different systems work for different people. But it could also mean that there are advanteges for what they leave for, such as more safety. Arround were I live there are a lot of people who have practiced all sorts of indian systems that they have learnt in india. The most common is the Satyananda and sivananda yoga and two different kriya yoga lineages I don`t know the names of the teachers in, but people have also done a bunch of other stuff they have learnt in india in various ashrams. A lot of those people have struggled hard with grounding issues and been seriously unbalanced while many have gotten good results. I highly doubt they have all been practicing dead lineages. In thailand psychiatrists complain about all the people they have to treat that get fucked up doing budhist meditation retreats. All sorts of systems with intact lineages get these problems. Even in China Qigong psychosis is common and Mo Pai is admittedly a very dangerous system. So being able to manage an energy system with little to no serious problems and especially managing kundalini awakening much smoother than normal is a great achievement and and improvement. And improvement in that regard does not necesarily mean better in other regards of course. Both in Tao Garden and in the yoga place I was at in India they thought that what they taught was safe and no one got heart. A little google search showed that both were wrong and that other systems statisticly produces less undesirable effects in its students. What the teacher and the students on the spot say and belive about how the students do is very often different from what happens. The internett is actually good for reseaching if it holds up in certain regards such as energy overload and grounding problems.

I have done a little bit as a part of morning qigong in tao garden and as part of another qigong workshop just as a sort of warm up. THe different styles of laughter clearly affected different areas as the teachers said they would. I particulary remember one realy working the heart chakra. If you do it for say ten minutes, you would get a ridiculous happy boost for sure. To me the inner smile energy felt softer somehow. Laughter is sort of wilder then a soft smile. Thats all I can say realy. In my very limited experience I would defintively say that standing meditation relases stuck emotions as it does get you deep into meditation which always leads to release of emotions and beacuse energy gets flowing very nicely and this unblocks emotional stuff when it is encountered. It does not apear to me or make sense to me that it is a method of working directly with emotions in the same way as inner smile or secret smile which are as direct as you can get but I certainly got into emotional stuff surrounding root chakra issues quite fast. Stuff like trust and openness which are spleen and earth emotions were very aparent. Certain aspects of confidence and strenght as well. Also there is a sort of emotional quality to any pose and this you will get into.

THanks to everyone for the advice. I especially found the stuff about a conection between the throat and solar plexus interesting. I do trap my feleings a lot and the solar plexus and the throat is to places I feel are very blocked and are also the two places healers and pthers who can scan the energybody have told me has the most obvious blocks. I don`t practice a system per se these days but only some general stuff like standing and some healing sounds and other general stuff that are balancing and helps with grounding. I am well aware that just mindlessly working on one specific aspect without reagard for the whole is not a good idea but I do stuff for the whole and for each organ in helaing sounds and I have had sucess for 6 months doing a qigong for the spleen without getting any trouble with it so it seemed like to me that a very moderate add on for the solar plexus like my spleen exercise could help boost it as it is disprrportionaly in bad shape. Acupressure seems like a good option and I am already getting acupressure. I have actually gotten some improvements lately but I think that has been related to psychological work helaing stuff in the solar plexus.

As I have written in several posts were my practice has been discussed I don`t do KAP because no matter how well you manage a kundalini awakening it is destabilizing during the worst phases and I do not want to do anything to set that of untill I finish my studies in a couple of years time. One could also imagine a bunch of other reasons for me not doing it such as the timing of when the next round of clases start, or the time at which they are held during the day, lack of money or that while I think KAP seems like a very good system I am happy enough in my own. What I wrote was also just as much a sales pitch for AYP. I could have been hapily doing that. Whart you did was just trying to score a cheap point without actually delivering any meaningfull argument. THats just shitty behaviour. If you have anything against what I have said about KAP then you could have actually argued why what I said was wrong in the thread were I said it instead of invading my unrelated thread with sarcastic remarks. You found help in the Frantzis` water method but nothing of use in KAP. Sereneblue got absolutely ntohing out of doing the water method but loved KAP. Where does that leave us? Your own experience alone is a bad basis of judging the merits of a system. I actually tried AYP and did not like it but still recomend it to other people because it works so well for so many others. It is undeniable that KAP has gotten very good reviews from a large group of people and very little bad reviews and there has not been one single report of anyone getting hurt by it although I am sure that will also happen at some point.

Has anyone worked with their assemblage point in meditation etc? If so how was it? I have read online about some sort of therapists that in 3-5 sessions help you get your assembalge point back to where it is supposed to be and that this treatment is often extraordinary powerful. Is anyone familiar with such treatments?

Great to hear that your book is getting so much attention. I think it can be a help to a lot of people.

Well that was constructive and helpful. Got out of the bed on the wrong side today or something?

I can promise you that when those blocks are gone and you have enjoyed being unblocked for a while you will find more blocks. Then they will be removed and you will enjoy feeling unblocked at an even higher level. Then you will once again find new blocks. And so on and so on...You get more and more freely flowing energy. But the block tends to keep coming and keep coming.

Just stay away from Dhan yoga which I have read is based on Kouk Sun Do. Dhan Yoga is a cult. What I have read about the Sun Do that Trunk has written about before seems very appealing and I want to try it some time

How much is damn expensive? And if it is that expensive why get it? Aren`t there quite a lot of possibilities to get some empowerments for free or cheap? You could tune into the thursday shaktipats that Santiago often gives. They are free and open to all. You could also consider Chunyi LIns one year subscription to a group meditation energy healing session every monday or something. I did a healing with Lin and his energy is incredible and suposedly the group meditation session are just as strong only more general. They are expensive as a package but If you are sensitive you will get A LOT.

Jack Kornfield writes about the doors to get stream entry in after the extacy the laundry.

Cool! The way it works normaly is that you do twelve sessions of 60 minutes spread out over twelve weeks or more so doing the whole thing is not a quick fix. But I guess a practioner could check the areas and issues most often realted to the adrenals and see what imbalances they think are there and probably do at least some, maybe a lot, adjustments specificly for the problem. Especially since she is intersting to you in other ways it might be good to just do that to begin with rather than the whole twelve sessions as it is more than akward to have sexual tension with a long term body therapist. There is also a realted twelve session program to adjust the fascia of the whole body not just the spine, sacrum and skull. It is called structural integration acording to the social engagement protocol or something I have been doing that sequence myself and had a lot of benefit from it. It does really do a lot to fix energetics and increase health. Although I don`t think the over all body program will do very much to fix the adrenals the overal health benefit could be a very usefull component of your healing I think. You might also consider the stress eraser. there is a couple of threads about it here. It gives some very valuable benefits that normal breathing practices does not ar only after a very, very, very long time will give you. Those particular benefits also seem to me to have a high chance of being conected to burn out issues. Check the threads and see what you think.

You could also try cranio sacral therapy. It is suposed to balance out your fight or flight response very well and so should help the adrenal problem.

That made my day. A bunch of people with claims to abilites have and are undergoing tests with serious scienetists. Especially in China it seems.

Bringing back Egyptian practices!!?? So Max is bringing BACK Egyptian practices but Santiagos and many other peoples incorporation of Sufi stuff or similar with hindu stuff is new age and not bringing things back. That the aparently newly mixed practices have common roots, hvae counterparts in many systems and have often been practiced together before in Persia and Egypt etc. is exactly what Santiago says about a lot of the stuff in KAP. You need to seriously document how Max is bringing the Egyptian stuff back and the others are not bringing anything back for your statement to have any value. Saying anything other than that Max is mixing practices when he teaches Egyptian stuff togheter with Daoist stuff is ridiculous. I don`t think there is anything wrong with it at all as long as it works and as far as I can tell what he teaches works well for people and I have considered doing Kunlun myself but if mixing is new age then what he does is new age. I did not have any particular desire to brand him or anyone else as new age but said this only because the guy used him as a contrast to what Max is actually doing himself. Which is rather funny. I would rather call both Max and The KAP people and many like them modern practioners or something like that and reserve new age for the astral travel and rainbow flakyheads I don`t see any of them as having much in common with. Furthermore Max as I have read people here say is not against mixing kunlun with something else but mixing it with a fire practice. I have seen people say Max says that mantras to do very particular things are not ok but very general mantras are. It is also extreemly common to practice kunlun togheter with some sort of qigong learnt from other places and I have not seen anyone say max is against that. It seems to depend more on what the content is and not be a rule without many exceptions. I have also seen, a bunch of times, that Kunlun people say Red phoenix with Kunlun was Max` invention. If he did not then he has a lot of wrongly informed students. As far as the speed of KAP goes I am not a KAP instructor and not even a current or former student. I just think it seems like a great system and want to take it some time in the future although I might very well do something else. My statement about the speed of KAP is based on what I have seen a very large amount of students that have also practiced more traditional systems say. As far as safety goes you can not seriously say it is not much, much safer than most traditional systems, especially hindu ones. Same thing in many ways goes for ayp. I have seen quite a few students of ayp with background in various traditions claim it to be both faster and especially safer and more balanced. Evolution to the better is actually possible.

What is the effect of this? Of breathing down into the pernium like this.

In Zen they burned almost all of their texts and kept only the absolute minimum and instead spent more time meditating. Since that time they have produced large numbers of enlightened people. This proves you do not, at all, need much theory. End of discussion! As for mixing practices from different traditions and inovations of various kinds this can be done good and it can be done bad. KAP is much more safe than most traditional systems and gives people very, very good results. It raises kundalini faster than most traditional systems and it manages it much better and more safely. A lot of people that used to do traditional kriya or kundalini yoga and later switched to yoganis AYP says that ayp is as or more effective and much safer and more balanced. Ayp puts close to zero emphasis on textural study and understanding by the way. There are lots more examples like this. Another interesting thing to consider in this disussion is that the pace at which practices are taught to you and the preliminaries you have to master in order to be thaught them "safely" and to be "effecitve" might, in many instances, have no real reason behind it. In the Big Book of tai chi Bruce Frantzis writes that many of the breathing and qigong like practices that he was thaught by martial artists in Okinawa as very high level stuff that was consequently weel kept secrets, was taught freely to unhealthy middle aged housewives at beginner courses in qigong in Taiwan. So despite all the seriousness surrounding the exercises, their suposed danger and power and all the many years of training you absolutely MUST master untill you could learn them, there was no point to any of this. Just like the guy that wrote the PM about new age pratices I am sure the Japaneese students could talk at length about the absolute necessity of knowing this or that and the years of preliminarys required etc. All of which would be utter bullshit. This is of course not to say that there are not many practices that are dangerous and that one needs to have mastered preliminaries first in order to successfully and safely practice. All I am saying is that in A LOT of cases what is traditionaly considered the right pace of things can very well be wrong. Very, very often a different tradition or lineage will see things differently. This means that one should not be too rigid in believeing the tradtional dogma about what to practice when and what to master first although one should look seriously at what has tradtionally been said. As far as I understand Lama Yeshe completely disregarded most of the traditional rules about what preliminaries needed to be in place. It is also interesting that this guy mentioned Max as someone who both knew what he was doing and emphasised the need to follow the tradtional Maoshan rules/structure and not to mix practices etc. Firstly Max teaches Kunlun alongside Red Phoenix and a bunch of egyptian stuff and as far as I understand stuff from all over the place. Secondly, Max, with regards to Kunlun at least, places no importance on textural study at all. Thirdly, as far as I understand, correct me if I am wrong though, the kunlun practice from Max is only a part of a larger practice but Max things what he teaches alone is sufficient. Doing things tradtional Maoshan style would actually be something different. I think Fiveelementtao has talked about this. I might remember wrong about this last thing so correct me if I am wrong. So in sum max is as new age as they get in many ways with mixing practices from all over the world and no importance placed on textural study. Not that there is anything wrong with that IMO, as long as it works and I think it does with regards to kunlun.

Yogani teaches a modified version of this pose in order to avoid the problems but still get most of the benefits. Check out Aypsite.org for info.

I did not see I had written in this thread a long time ago

My experience in seperating different sensations of chi from each other is very limited but when I have felt earth chi from doing standing or from working with the spleen it has felt very earthy for me whereas some kideny work has set of very watery flowing chi. The two feel entirely different to me and I can`t really see the watery in the earth chi. I would say that sometimes the earthy chi has felt kind of like moist earth but as opsed to the watery chi it is most definitively dry in my experience.

I would think starting qigong would help a lot or solve it. I am sure there are also specific medical qigongs for it. GOOD detox programs also help. I saw a lot of that in India at an Ayurvedic place and it certainly helped my related condition a lot.

For grounding this exercise is great, really great: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/13922-making-love-with-the-earth/ It does not have to be done with the "making love to the earth" intention but can be more technical like Winns version. Zhan Zhuang of course is also great. I do belive that doing spleen balancing work in fusion etc should help with grounding. ALL direct spleen work I do makes me more grounded regardless of whether I pull in earth energy or not. But I can certainly see that one would usually require a lot more than this and that fusion is not sufficient and can also be unbalancing if not grounded enough already.