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Wow, luckily all the Masters I know are doctors so I've never met anyone even remotely similar to the video. I more meant a teacher will ask someone who came to learn who they learned from before and what skills they acquired. If the list is long they assume you aren't a serious student and jump from master to master so don't want to waste their time and energy on someone who has a track record of changing teachers often.

What happens too is when people come and talk about their abilities and accomplishments then get refused as students because they are already so advanced that they would be wasting their time learning from the teacher in question. Most teachers that I know don't understand and actively frown upon having many different teachers and having done many different practices. It took me a long time to explain to my own teacher how difficult it is to find a teacher, how you can often times waste years with someone before realizing they don't have any skill to teach or never actually intend on teaching you past a basic level.

The other side of the coin is this. I know quite a few people who are Tudi's of well known and sought after Chinese Masters who have been with them for years who have not learned any neigong yet. They are doing waigong, barely understand the theory and have no cultivation themselves. They can however state they are such and suches masters tudi and teach and will most likely gather a lot of students because of the association. It happens a lot to be honest. If you cannot speak Chinese but spent a long time learning from any school in china where they don't speak English, your chances of having learned anything considered indoor is virtually 0. If you can but are pushy or annoying, they will shut you up by teaching you random practices and telling you that you know all you need to and send you on your way or introduce you to other teachers to get you out of their hair. It's really not as simple as people think to get to the indoor practices of any school that is considered authentic.

With enough experience and cultivation you can easily tell if a practice is one or the other. If you are asking how would a person going to such a teacher determine what is being taught.... Put very simply. A waigong is more focused on developing muscle, bone and fascia and a neigong is more focused on developing and working directly with the dantians and qi. True. I think the main issue with this is a lack of results for many people, so they jump from one practice to the next. I know a person who went to wudang and learned some taiji for 5 weeks. After he returned he starting promoting himself as a daoist teacher..... Started making posts about internal alchemy.... started taking students and charging them for it..... Do you have any examples?

Appreciate the feedback. It's ok, I tried it because the higher levels were meant to be really effective for healing and my main reason for coming to china was to learn neigong to enhance my ability to treat patients (and to learn how to treat patients). I want to experience other systems too and not lock myself into a mentality that only one system is superior and nothing else is worth knowing. There are likely many hidden gems to be found all around if you don't close yourself off to them. It just wasn't compatible for me, whatever the reason may be. To be safe though, I will continue to tell people who learn from me to avoid practices where you emit cosmic/heavenly energy for healing people or charging objects/water.

I know quite a few people who learned from Master Jiang Feng in their 50s, and a woman who was over 60. The ones who were healthy, developed quicker than most in their 20s. They all got to the point of being able to faqi with assistance in less than 5 years, some of them only needed 3. Most guys in their 20, 30s take the same time if not longer because they have to deal with their own minds a lot more than mature practitioners. I know many don't care about faqi, but you can't even try to faqi till you have the required amount of dantian cultiation under your belt, meaning they cultivated qi much quicker than most. Qi is extra energy in the body, meaning it will assist the body providing more energy to whatever the main focus of your overall system is. Referring to either the sympathetic or parasympathetic nervous system and the related functions that go with either state. This means if you are constantly stressed, constantly worried about a job or a deadline or a colleague, constantly playing out arguments or situations that make your stress in your head, your body will not be doing much healing or maintenance, so extra qi will do very little for you. On the other hand, if your mind is calm, relaxed and at peace with a healthy lifestyle qi will do a lot for you and you will cultivate it very quickly too.

If people are happy with what they are doing then I wish them all the best. If someone however wanted to get the "same" practices as what I am going to teach then this would need to happen. Find a high level neigong teacher in china/asia, and manage to convince him to A- teach for free and B- teach real practices and not some random waigong method they tend to teach outdoor/unknown students, then you still need to get on a plane, fly there, get to the location of the teacher, pay for a hotel and food, lose a weeks income or holiday, etc. How much would that trip set you back? Id say at least $2k-$3k. The chances of getting both A and B offered is very unlikely. In fact, my very first visit to a master and try to learn this was in 2011, 3 years before I started my practice. The cost of that trip, flight, hotel, etc was more than $3000, and I learned nothing. I was told that my health had a problem that had to be fixed before I could start cultivating qi so left completely empty handed. Was I sad, ofcourse, but I felt real qi, saw the lines of people waiting for treatment and it motivated me. Me personally, if I was on the other side, would just risk paying $500 and see what is taught, even if it's total nonsense, it still would have been an acceptable risk to reward for me. It might not be total nonsense and then it's a bargain. It really does depend on what you goals are. But for those who have an interest in neigong and qi cultivation, you need to correct methods. People obsess over the higher level practices and in my opinion that is just the wrong way of going about things. Building a foundation takes soo long that it's not even worth thinking about what comes after because you can't do them until you finished the foundational practices. People want to skip what is required and focus on the things they want to do without realizing they are shooting themselves in the foot. Seeing yourself sailing on a beautiful boat is all well and wonderful. But what comes before that wonderful boat, you need to chop down the trees, process the wood into planks, build the boat, once you have the boat built then you focus on learning how to sail, once you can sail then you can enjoy the open waters. People want to sail without even having an axe or a saw, without knowing how to get wood and refine it into planks. without having clear instructions on how to make a boat. They want to skip forward to learning how to sail and enjoying the open sun.

I assume you are speaking about doing level 1 again, a few times a year. I hadn't really considered it and will see how many people join this one and how easy it is to teach via zoom. If all goes well and people are happy then maybe. I have taught a few people the first 3 levels via video chat but they were 1 on 1 and was easy enough. They did all previously learn from Master Jiang Feng though and already had some cultivation and understanding of the training prior to me giving the next stages of practice. One of them had already reached the point where his dantian had enough qi to emit it with some assistance, so they knew what they were doing. They all have replaced their previous practice with the ones I showed them and seem really satisfied so all is good there.

I have been notified by a few people now that they can't see my ppd, so i will post the details here too. Neigong Seminar Date: 18-19 September 2021 (Saturday and Sunday) Cost: Option 1: $500 with one month access to the group chat Option 2: $300 with $50 a month ongoing payment for a group chat where we can discuss the practice, help with questions, support each other, do video chats for review, etc. Time: 18 September 10PM Beijing time for about 2-3 hours. 19 September 10PM Beijing time for about 2-3 hours. This should be early morning for the Americas, afternoon for the EU and late for those in NZ and Australia. Platform: Zoom online meeting. Content: Main Seminar Foundation practices for activating the lower dantian, cultivating and refining qi. I will also be explaining the practices and habits that supplement the above and will help you get the most out of it along with ways to improve health and wellbeing. Group chat (Telegram or Watsapp) We will do a 1 hour review video 1 week after the initial seminar and also at the 4 week point for those who chose option 1 to ensure there are no unanswered questions. Those who remain in the group chat can do group video chats every now and again to answer any questions. I believe telegram is the preferred way nowadays. Course scope Those who wish to only cultivate the dantian and qi, this is the first of 3 levels. Those who wish to learn the practices that lead to faqi, this is the first of 4 levels. Level 2 practice can be taught after about 1-2 years of practice and the others depends on your individual progress. You need to reach a min level of qi cultivation before starting with them. Payment A week before the seminar we can all join the group chat, there we can share the zoom meeting ID, password and how to make the payment. I am thinking paypal and/or direct transfers Warnings/Notes The practices taught are mainly standing, so please take this into consideration. I will provide sitting alternatives for those who need it but they are less effective. Those who love practices like reiki, frangrant qigong, etc, (practices where you guide universal qi through your body for the purpose of healing others or charging objects with energy) it's best to stick with them or if you want to learn neigong, you will need to give them up. The seminar will not be recorded and I ask that no one does record it. We will have plenty of time to review the practices and answer any questions. I'll add more as they come up.

Ok, so it seems there are enough people who are interested so I will make a description of the seminar and costs in my PPD, have some control there. I will offer both methods of payment, those who wish a one time learn some methods to cultivate the dantian without being locked into a specific practice or person can do so. Others who prefer the group chat monthly subscription can do that too. I am thinking to hold in the weekend 18-19 September 2021. Please let me know if there is some random holiday or event which would make this difficult and we will move it back one week. I haven't used zoom much but I think we can make it work.

In most neigong, qigongs, the first step in the formation and cultivation of the lower dantian. In my opinion this is missing from the west. So, for the time being, I am focusing on that because it takes a long time to do and will keep people busy for a good 10 years. My progress is exceptionally fast because of assistance from teachers. I have had my channels enlarged and opened again and again, I have had my qi boosted many times. My progress and speed isn't indicative of what you can achieve by yourself. I fully intend to help the serious students down the line when we get there, but I need to highlight the fact that dantian development does not happen quickly. It's a slow painful process that becomes quicker and quicker as you go on, but the start, the first few years, is really slow. This does not mean you won't feel qi strongly very quickly, it just means that dantian storage happens slowly. Health will have a big impact on this too. Someone with weak kidneys might take twice as long as someone who is healthy to cultivate qi to the same level. There are also supplementing practices which I will highlight, basic stillness meditation is a must, though I don't include is as the main practices that will be taught, they will be shown and made clear how important they are to development. For those who do reach the required level where they can and want to advance to higher level practices, these most likely be made available with my main teacher. We have been talking about this for the past 2 years and later on lineage specific training will become available to those who would like to take it. I am just encouraging him to keep the costs reasonable and will see how things go in this regards. Please don't worry though, any practice you do with me will give you a headstart if the above happens. The core aspect of the training is the same and you will start with dantian development for the first 5-10 years before moving onto anything higher level, and this is only if you reach the required level to be able to move on. What i mean with core aspect is this. Accumulating qi and refining it has many variations of the same practice. Some have different feet placement, some have different hand movements, some slighty different breathing, but the core part, the main thing you are doing is the same. Once the dantian storage function is active, basic stillness meditation will generate and accumulate a lot of qi, it just won't be refined, but you can cultivate a lot with just basic stillness. The qi accumulated in this way is liquidy, dense and hard to move. Once you refine it it becomes softer, gentler and takes on a mist like quality. It starts to fill the meridians and the skin develops this 1-2 inch thick mist of qi which keeps sick/cold qi out of your body as it sticks to it. Those who practice long enough will see what I mean.

yes, I have seen some real miracles being achieved with a mixture or qi, herbs and acupuncture. But, if don't have a degree in tcm, it's not something that you will learn easily. Treatment is more than just the use of qi, qi only enhances the effects of herbs and acupuncture. Some things can be dealt with with only qi, but for the most part, those who wish to use this for healing, which i am 100% willing to teach later on, will need to come from a medical background.

There are no low stances, your knees should be ok. The foundation work has no negative effects on health, but later, when you start getting to the higher levels there are definitely things you need to be aware of. You can really damage yourself by accident if you weren't explained how things work and what to avoid. This only comes into play for those who want to learn to faqi, anything prior to that point is safe and beneficial to health. One constant for me has always been, if I not with my teacher, do not faqi, it's dangerous and you need to learn your limits. The horrible technicality that was never even considered are practices where you supposedly have universal energy flow through you and you emit that into people, not personal qi. But, once you get to the higher levels, it doesn't work this way and you can really injure yourself which is what I did and I am still recovering from this. Those who eventually want to learn faqi, will have a serious conversation prior to starting the practices to outline the restrictions and dangers involved. I never want anyone to go through what I have had to deal with the last year. This thread has been to see how people feel about it, it looks like i will move forward so will explain this prior to even teaching the first level for those interested in faqi. Those who aren't don't need to worry about.

Thank you for the useful considerations. 1. I have involved in teaching neigong for years now and have personally taught many people. I just never charged for it and always gave people the step up practice from what they were doing because I liked them and wanted to help. I am unfortunately all to familiar with some kinds of students, some kinds of problems that occur. Some people doing this training will get problems due to their own personal health and luckily I have been learning tcm for a good 8 years and have studied it formally for nearly 5 years. I have also been the translator for many foreign groups visiting various chinese doctors/masters, meaning every single conversation, every comment, goes through me. Trust me I know the kind of person who goes to learn for 6 months, leaves and starts teaching themselves who run into problems. I don't believe I fall into that category but I do appreciate you consideration and recommendations as they were clearly said in a positive helpful manner. Doing it on zoom will be new and will see how it goes, I think it will feel really strange truth be told. 2. I know a lot of female practitioners who do neigong, who do the kind of practices that i will show. There are one or two considerations but nothing to serious. For the most part, if any issues arise with either men or woman, it's normally due to their own personal health issues. The practices are safe and the ones that aren't that require you to be healthy and strong, they come later and won't be taught to just anyone. I do think people might have the wrong idea about what I am offering. It's not a laid out long term course that you do in sequence as some neigong books outline. It's the practices needed to build a strong dantian and qi, and for those who wish to learn it, eventually emitting it. Those who don't care about faqi can keep their qi and use it solely for healh and higher level practices. But they are single methods you will do every day for the next 10 years, it's a daily practice that does not change and does not become something else. Building up the dantian takes years and years of daily practice so you will do the same practice you learn in level 1 for the next 10 years, it doesn't change, we just add some things onto as your progress. There is a misconception though that neigong and higher levels of qi will massively increase your health. This is only half true. Yes increased levels of qi will boost your body, but your lifestyle and more importantly, your mindset can completely ruin your health while you are doing even the best neigong there is. It's something I will be talking about and making people aware.

not standing quietly at all.

Um, Both practices needed in the beginning are standing in zhanzhuan, one is quite tense and horrible and will start to activate the storage function of the dantian, the other is softer and will start to acumulate qi in the dantian. There is the option of a seated method but it's not as effective as standing though. I will most likely teach it too for those who would otherwise struggle to always do a standing practice.

One thing that i would say is this, i am more than happy to help people out who genuinely want to learn but can't afford $500. Anyone who can afford it please do pay it, I spent so much myself in terms of money and time to learn these things. That being said, if there are people who are sincere and have the right reasons to want to learn but $500 is way above what they can pay, message me or email me and we can see if we can find a way to help you out.

Yeah i think this would be fine too. Make a group after the seminar to confirm things. True, but i don't want it to turn into this big constant having to pay thing. I will just make a group chat for questions that is optional. Maybe include a 1 hour video chat after a month to confirm the practice and answer any questions that people might have.

Yes, with practices like these you definitely want a review and be able to discuss and confirm things. That will definitely be a given and could even create wattsapp or telegram group after the seminar for any questions. Having a group like this would be fine for me and optional for those who want to use it.

I may not have explained it well. Your kind of get lost in the qi field, it just allows the mind to become quiet really quickly without focusing on anything, more just being present in the field which vanishes after a while and you are just left in emptiness. I think so too, stand alone programs, no commitment, learn what you wish to learn and done. Later those who have made a lot of progress who wish to learn more can always be discussed and a solution found that is good for everyone.

So, the reason i thought a monthly fee would be a good idea is because I feel confident people will be satisfied with what I teach, they won't leave because they will get results. Now though I am thinking it might be putting people off, feeling like they are committing to this long term thing and many might not want to. Some might just want to develop qi and have it boost health instead of caring about faqi or ever learning to emit it. I think adjusting the cost to $500 without any monthly fees and doing the different stages as standalone seminars to begin with might be better for people. So no group chat made afterwards but people can take my email if they have any questions or message here. (group chat but it will be optional and free)

Yeah i know the devices you mean. They are effectively negative ion generators generating a high voltage negative direct current. I haven't ever felt one being used, i've been lucky i guess to not bump into any fakes with faqi normally being a long process, currents lasting a from 2-15 seconds when I first felt it. In fact, my very first experience of it was having qi pushed into every finger for a good 10 seconds each, it was horrific, getting worse and worse as you move towards the pinky. The pinky is agony. Later a really advanced level doctor in malaysia did some channel opening and clearing for me, he pushed so much qi into my pinky that I wanted to cry, literally hard breathing just to stand the pain. I have also had the unfortunate or fortunate experience of having qi pushed straight into my genitals, both parts. Not a pleasant experience at all but it was effective.

Thank you, though i am not a member there. Cultivating the dantian does allow you to go into much deeper levels of meditation than without it in my experience. It creates a physical "thing" in your body for your mind to attach to so I believe it greatly helps the type of stillness that you are referring to. I do basic buddhist stillness meditation a few times a day too, i don't site for hours, but 15 mins here and there is wonderful. It would not create any issues and in my opinion enhance what you are already doing. I am thinking the whole prospect of having a monthly fee might be putting people off. Raising the cost of the seminar to $500 without any monthly ongoing expenses and offering them as standalone seminars might be a better option but any feedback would be great, even if people aren't interested in learning it. This allows people to only learn the method to activate the dantian and cultivate qi, maybe the second and third levels which are still qi cultivation and leave the last practice alone.

This for me is really interesting. I certainly didn't rule out the possibility that it could all be fake when i first came over. Magicians can do some extra ordinary things after all and we know it's a trick. I would imagine they feel kinda similar, electric acupuncture on a high setting does feel remarkably like faqi after all. The difference is in the subtleties i believe, you can alter the strength of the current when you faqi, my faqi certainly becomes less and less intense as i get drained and this is something you would not expect from a device unless it's a very clever person doing the faking. You can also increase the current or lessen it with practice which I don't believe doing a machine would be as easy unless you have a partner who had some device controlling the amplitude. No touch faqi is certainly something which i do not believe can be faked, you get the same electrical current without even having to touch the person but it requires a much higher level of qi than basic practices can give. I don't believe a faker can do it barefoot though, if they ground themselves any electrical current would rather go into the ground that jump the barrier into another person body. What about you, how would you tell?