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Ah ok, i may have misread your message and the intention behind it, my apologies. I am only doing the methods, not teaching the system of a particular school. This thread was more to see how people felt about the payment structure than the teaching tbh. Faqi is a healing method and really draining on the body, so if you aren't using it to heal, using it just for the sake of using it is kinda pointless. But if i offered to teach the method to open the channels so that you could one day faqi, then i will keep my word. It's not as easy as people might imagine and does take an awful amount of time.

I don't know that i omitted anything? What do you mean?

Yes, is there something wrong with offering to teach people how to actually cultivate qi?

I also understand that some people may be reading this thread who aren't members and would maybe like to get more information or give their opinion on my proposed teaching. Please email me here [email protected] Mods, I don't know if it's against the rules to give an email, if it is please just delete this.

Yes pretty much. I've been involved in many many group visits for both training and medical purposes over the years so it's quite normal for me to do. It really does depend on how many people end up learning. If the numbers are large I would allocate a week every few months where people can come to learn in person, have some help given, feel qi, etc. If there aren't that many people initially then we would just find a time that suits most people and pick a location to meet. Going to thailand for 5 days is always fun and not too expensive. It would always be a group type thing because i would need to put time aside for the group. I would otherwise be with my main teacher assisting treating patients, doing translations for other groups, assisting people to meet various dr's/teachers. If covid allows this ofcourse, i have spent the past year and a half in shanghai exclusively where I would normally be travelling all over the place.

Btw, this is me for those who didn't know. Made this two years ago and rambled a bit, but it explains the basics i guess.

Could be yeah. All i know is it drained my qi and then yuanqi to really dangerous levels.

People have been doing this for as long as I can remember. The mo pai scams were plentiful with some seedy people making a ton of money. But yes, i can see why this would cause so hesitation. You are most welcome to come and join, you already have a taste of what I am teaching as I have taught you one of the practices that I will be teaching. If i am not mistaken, a while after you started practicing you started to develop an ability only the grandmaster in your lineage had. Full disclosure: me and earl grey keep in contact regularly outside of any forum. He knows me really well, knows my struggles and have seen plenty of videos/photos of me with different high level teachers, showing different abilities and many videos of me emitting qi. I openly show him practices and would never charge him a cent.

I have to say i am really surprised by the lack of interest in learning something authentic. $300 is literally nothing for learning something that you would otherwise not have an avenue to learn. I am sure if i uploaded some videos of me emitting qi or sitting and chatting with various high level masters, maybe the response would have been better. People came to china (prior to covid) paying $20k, $30k some even $100k to learn basic practices from the masters that come to my house for dinner, that i can just casually message for a chat. I am offering the real practices they only teach after getting to know you for years for a fraction of the price and only a handful of people messaged me privately to say they would like to learn this. I don't get it, I would have jumped at the chance to learn this.

Well in terms of healing, it's the most effective thing I have ever come across. I studied TCM in china, did my degree here (in my final year actually) so I know what is widely used and known. Nothing comes close to the healing ability of qi, as long as the person is a tcm doctor and has studied under a master to learn how to use it effectively. Objects can be moved and pushed but it's a waste of qi in my opinion. Setting things on fire wastes so much qi that it's just not worth doing. Yeah it looks cool for the people watching, but you feel meh for days after.

I have always said that the goal isn't faqi, the fact that you can faqi signifies you achieved something. More than that, when i ask some of these schools, monasteries why they have this "qi" and other schools don't. They always say that they must have lost the correct methods for cultivation. I have not met a Daoist school, the hidden ones in the mountains, not the widely available ones teaching anyone, who could not faqi. It's not that it's a goal, but it's just something that you can do with correct dantian and qi cultivation. Most qigong/neigong/neidan follow the jing-qi-shen method and this is the basis of all the higher training. The fuel for the higher practices. There is no need to ever faqi, but cultivating qi properly will significantly enhance any further training that you do. waiqi liaofa is useful, neiqi is very useful. The qi you cultivate in the dantian is an extention of yuanqi, the qi you have is directly usable by every cell in your body and is tangible. It's an energy that directly can be used by organs which means your ability to boost a weak organ or treat disease is way beyong waiqi liaofa in my opinion.

Practice is as long as you want to make it. I don't recommend people do more than 30 mins in one session and most people will only do 10-15min when they start. It's not an all day thing. I did mention the cost, was thinking $300 for seminars and a monthly fee of $50 to facilitate a group and access to me with regular chat sessions to answer any questions and help people as they need. But, to put things into perspective. My very first visit, the visit just to get a chance to see if this type of cultivation was real and if they would teach it cost me over $25000. The total amounts spent over the years is not even worth mentioning.

Sure I trained with Dr Jiang Feng for about 2 and a half years, he passed away after my first successful assisted faqi. It was a sad time, after his passing I was a bit in the wind, not sure what to do because i didn't really click with his successor the same way i had with him. But i kept searching and found a few others with similar and some higher ability. They are not known online or in the west at all. I learned what I can, took help where I could, did translation for groups wishing to come on medical trips. This allowed me constant access to teachers, their teachings, healing methods and allowed me learn a lot. Being there to translate teaching to trusted long term students meant I got the same information and teachings. I never liked to name drop teachers, I prefer to rely on my ability to give validity to what I teach. I am offering to teach dantian and qi development because I can prove that I have at least achieved it myself. Saying I am a student of Dr Jiang Feng and being a part of gengmenpai doesn't mean I know what I am doing or have the required knowledge and understanding of the methods to teach them. So, I can faqi, meaning I feel ok to not have to mention my current lineage , my ability speaks for itself. I am only offering to teach this part of the practice and despite what is said in the west, this takes a long long time. I am not offering to take tudis or teach a specific schools practices or teach my main current schools practice, I am teaching the methods that I know work and they aren't all from the same school. Does this matter, I don't believe it does if your goal is to develop your dantian and qi, regardless of why you want to do it. It sounds really terrible actually. I have one main teachers who i call shifu, but i have access to a fair few more via medical groups and have seen their methods, learned their methods, received their treatment, channel adjustments and enlargements. Most people have no need to be able to faqi, but you gota do the foundation. For me personally, knowing I am learning something authentic that leads to results that can be shown to anyone, regardless of their belief or cooperation, is worth it. I would have jumped at this chance years back if it was ever offered. Hunting around china and asia for masters seems really fun, but it gets really really tiresome after years of being away from home and friends and the amount of money that I have spent is just ridiculous. I have been training for over 8 years, all this time, just dantian and qi development. It has many layers that need to be achieved and even though it seems like it's just one thing, many many different aspects which are standalone practices like the mco for instances is achieved passively. Qi is refined and refined again and again, channels enlarged again and again. A lot happens. The total time I have trained in neigong/qigong is more than 16 years, but I only count from the time when I learned the methods to activate the dantian and refine real qi.

Maybe double check your facts...

I don't know who he is but by all means have him give his perspective. The debate about dantian function is old and long on here. I have always and still maintain my stance that dantian development cannot happen without dantian activation. Most everyone else disagrees with me on this topic so I am used to strong opposition in terms of some of the things I say. The issue might be what I consider dantian development and qi and what is widely believed in the west. Like i said in my opening post, neigong and things like reiki where you send energy or emit universal energy into someone or something is not compatible. Fragrant qigong falls into that category for me and would have been something discussed prior to teaching anything.

Fragrant qigong is not meant to be practiced with anything else, it's stated to drop anything you are doing and focus solely on it. This in itself is fine, not really an issue. What it doesn't make clear is the fact that it uses qi, quite a lot of it to do the healing that it promises. Not unlike taking herbs which can drain qi to get the desired effect, like blood stasis removal formulas and the like. This means those who practice neigong, or certain qigongs, can in the long term drain their qi to dangerous levels, which can cause serious harm. Their bodies have been altered and rely on their practice and the higher levels of qi produced from practice, which when stopped and then practicing fragrant qigong, can result in big problems. Once you have drained your bodies qi to dangerous levels, a horrible cycle starts, one where the body produces less qi, can hold less qi, which results in less qi being produced and being able to hold even less qi. It's not the practice itself which is the problem, but the issues which it creates from a lack of knowledge and understanding on both neigong/qigong practices and the effects they have on the practitioners body, and how fragrant qigong works. How is one to know that previous neigong or qigong can result in problems with it. There are a few videos online which shows the practice, without any real instruction or warnings, and considering how detrimental it can be to certain people, i just outright don't recommend it. I could be that someone brand new to qigong would have no ill effects from practicing it, but those who are practicing more serious practices like neigong or neidan, who then decide to move over to frangrant qigong, can injure themselves. People do like to jump from one practice to the other, or whos health status was limiting their development, could give it a try without understanding this. Because there are no warnings like this, and the understanding in the west on the physical alterations to the function of their energy system from neigong/neidan practices, result in it being a dangerous practice in my opinion. The higher your previous cultivation, the quicker you will see problems and the bigger they will be. Not to mention the charging of the water, which does not drain the qi in non cultivators, but can massively drain the qi of a cultivator. Hope this explanation is good enough for you.

Please create another thread or message me privately if you wish to discuss this. I only asked to not let this thread which is about teaching authentic neigong turn into a thread about fragrant qigong.

It's not really the purpose of this thread. I don't recommend it, but if you like it and want to do it, go for it.

That is great, all the best to you.

Be very careful with that practice, it's not something I would ever recommend to anyone. It seems great in the beginning, later it causes problems. There is a reason it was outlawed, more than just the large number of people it attracted.

It's neigong, but the individual methods/practices don't have names. At least, I have never been taught any of these along with a name. They are the correct methods and sequence to develop qi and the dantian to a very high level. They are the practices that I do myself and have done in the past to get to my current level of development which is the ability to emit "electric qi".

You ever consider that your meditation isn't the reason this happened? Lifestyle and diet will affect you way more than meditation will. All these recommendations won't do anything if you are eating the wrong thing, getting too little exercise, going bed past 11 every day, maybe even playing games for a few hours a day. Maybe consider your lifestyle, and go see a TCM doctor, who can prescribe herbs to get rid of your internal heat and deal with your yin deficiency. You'll be surprised how quickly you feel better.

What do you mean? Living in hot environments ice cold drinks are still not good for you. Aircon blowing on you isn't good either, any time areas of your body drop below normal temperature the blood flow and chemical reactions slow down. Basic physics apply to our bodies too. Cold showers depends who you ask, I don't take cold showers and neither do any of the masters that I know. I know some western research suggests it's good for you, but I prefer my warm showers.

I would not go that far, modern TCM and what we do aren't the same, the basic theory is the same yes, but many things don't mean the same thing to us as they do to regular tcm doctors. We treat in different ways, use different formulas, many times contradicting what a modern TCM doctor would do. Understanding basic theory is required in all cases though, you just understand things differently when you have a higher understanding of qi and meridian flow.

The worst thing a man can do for his health is be aroused all the time, ejaculating on a daily basis will destroy your health in time. Anything bad for your health, is also bad for cultivation. Follow the simple rule of age, if in 20s, 2 days between ejaculation, so if monday have some fun, no fun again till thursday. 30s, 3 days, 40s 4 days and so on. No particular diet, but I try to eat very balanced. Finding a balance is important. I don't eat or drink very cold things, this is super important, people do not realize the damage cold things does to the body. All these woman drinking iced beverages all the time, men drinking a few ice cold beers every evening. Give it 10-20 years, the serious diseases will come. Read up on some basic TCM theory, will help you a lot. I do take herbs regularly to balance and boost my organs, I do these formulas myself, to boost spleen and kidneys, to remove heat, to boost yin, improve circulation and so forth. Benefit of having studied TCM I guess. Herbs in my opinion are 100% required to bring balance back to the body, if you don't know herbs, will struggle to heal patients. So, those of you who want to get better, go see a TCM doctor, without the herbs you won't get very far. Not sure, they have always taught to westerners if they were sincere, not all masters are racist, though many are to some extent. Racist in the sense they won't teach anyone other than their own people. What can you do, just move on and hope you find one who doesn't care where you are from.