JinlianPai

Mmmmmn So much posting on the internet. Maybe the Wulipai guys and ohers know about the Gum Guang Ging the golden light force..... I wonder... Taoist are very very connected to the forces of nature... We dont move without it Taoist.

Just like lightning that exist in nature as a universal expression the golden elixir in the universe as well..... You never know there might be taoist who work directly with the golden elixir force.... You cant create something in your body that doesnt already exist in nature.

Very good. Alchemists work like this there maybe a direct method to generate the Golden Elixir by the originating sect. Then Another sect hears of this they find another way to generate the golden elixir but thru a much more lengthy process.... But The originating sect golden elixir is brewed differently and has vast connections to the stars and earth by connecting with the golden elixir that exist in nature. There is the alchemical side of meditations And There is the spiritual side of meditations (what forces in nature is your meds connecting you to and its spiritual affect on you).

Yes. That the golden elixir is luminous and radiant and can be directly cultivated. To transmute the bodies energies to pure spiritual gold that resonates with the core of this planet.

My question is extended to the WuliPai guys as well.... Do you see Golden light when you train internal or externally? Given your training what do you think the golden elixir is?

Thanks for the reply and that sounds like a cool exp. Thanks for sharing. Now heres my question to the board in general. Shouldnt the Jindan alchemy fill you to over abundance of the golden elixir?

Why? Practitioners of the Secret of the Golden flower the descendants of the Golden Lotus. If there are practitioners of this then why cant the golden elixir be made manifest?

When it comes to the Jindan the golden elixir The Gum Guang or golden light.... Does anyone see this when they train either internally or externally? My other point is Ive seen on here that a lot of qigong teachers like and respect the secret of the Golden flower but there methods are different and the book is used as a reference. Then this becomes the questions is there just a direct method that culitvates the Jindan as Gum Guang golden light?

Gothcha wasnt my intent please side step my post I dont want to ruin any prior conversation.

Well then the question became and just to be sure does the practitioners of Mahayana buddhism attain rainbow body? The answer is Yes. http://www.jamesabarrett.com/page1/rainbow.html

Now what of the 5th guardian the most powerful the golden dragon of the earth? This is what i was running into....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Light_Sutra

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Light_Sutra

Very very very correct

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Sutra This lead me to believe that it was the Lotus sutra is what lead to bhuddha becoming immortal but what of the 3 vehicles and vajrayana and then I read this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Sutra So then I understood that there is no difference between great power and great attainment because buddha is said to belong to another well known powerful sect.....

Sorry forgot to post sources so ill post this this is for the lotus sutras http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Sutra Which mostly correlates to the Mahayana Tradition

So I learned more about the Guardians and associations. So then the question became if there is a practice for every guardian then the golden dragon of the earth has to has one. So this lines up with what max said as far as golden dragon being the highest attainment. But lore also indicates that the golden dragon is unfeatable and has a very strong connection to earth. but none of the rainbow practices reseembled this and I looked. There was nothing that increased your earth chi while building the rainbow body..... This indicated a problem in methodology.

Now I had to go back to rainbow body by the tibetans who turned out to have various light bodies with classifications. Now I came across repeatadly that the rainbow body needs earth chi. Now this correlates to jing yin and essence and the golden dragon. ok cool. Now I noticed that the taoist have practices related and named after the 4 main guardians. like phoenix, tiger, and so forth but there was literally no med of the main primary and strongest guardian.

My answer was 1. the golden lotus and other lotus methods are different and various 2. it was introduced by lu dongbin 3. The golden dragon has such a history in china but it looks like its history was also covered up as well. So this brings me back to methodology

I questioned everything. This led me to the question what is the core method of the golden lotus and why is there no temple to the main and primary guardian?

literally there was none which was odd... So then this made me wonder how did the golden lotus get into taoism?

So then led me to ask how does this fit in with taoist astrology? Then the golden dragon popped up This led me to research the legend and taoist astrology affect onto taoist alchemy. Then I started to search for temples related to the earth guardian.

So then this lead me to the history of the secret of the golden flower which lead me to the golden lotus sutras and then to the lotus tradition of china.

its cool man.

Even though Max and other taoist read the secret of the golden flower they didnt use the exact method in the book. So then this came down to via the known methods what does the methods that actually work point to. and to be even more critical is what he's attained the real golden dragon body? Now I look into all of this. To the methods the legends and so forth. and with what I now know. I think max attained rainbow body but not GDB.